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Pakistan says US risks 'losing an ally'
Al Jazeera English ^ | 9.23.11 | staff

Posted on 09/23/2011 10:28:59 AM PDT by Eyes Unclouded

Pakistan has told the US it risks losing an ally if it continues to accuse the country of playing a double game in the war against al-Qaeda, escalating the crisis in relations between the two countries.

Hina Rabbani Khar, the Pakistani foreign minister, was responding to comments by Admiral Mike Mullen, the US joint chiefs of staff, who said Pakistan military's spy agency, ISI, was closely tied to the Haqqani network, the most violent and effective faction allied with the Taliban in Afghanistan.

It is the most serious allegation levelled by the US against Pakistan since they began an alliance in the "war on terror" a decade ago.

"You will lose an ally," Khar told Geo TV in New York in remarks broadcast on Friday.

"You cannot afford to alienate Pakistan, you cannot afford to alienate the Pakistani people. If you are choosing to do so and if they are choosing to do so it will be at their [the United States'] own cost."

The Haqqani network is a "veritable arm" of Pakistan's military intelligence agency, Mullen said on Thursday in prepared remarks to the US Senate Armed Services Committee.

He said the agency supported the group in its attack last week on the US embassy and NATO headquarters in Kabul. "The Haqqani network ... acts as a veritable arm of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency," Mullen said.

General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, Pakistan's Chief of Army Staff, also termed Mullen's comments as "very unfortunate and not based on facts".

"This is especially disturbing in view of a rather constructive meeting with Admiral Mullen in Spain," Kayani said in a statement.

"Categorically denying the accusations of proxy war and ISI support to Haqqanis," Kayani wished that "the blame game in public statements should give way to a constructive and meaningful engagement for a stable and peaceful."

Credible intelligence

The Haqqani network, which is distinct from the Afghan Taliban, is a member of the allied factions that are fighting the US and NATO troops in Afghanistan.

"With ISI support, Haqqani operatives planned and conducted [a September 11] truck bomb attack, as well as the assault on our embassy," Mullen said.

"We also have credible intelligence that they were behind the June 28 attack against the Inter-Continental Hotel in Kabul and a host of other smaller but effective operations."

Pakistan has denied the allegations.

Such attacks have been a blow to the US plan to withdraw its troops from Afghanistan, which is due to begin this year and end in 2014.

Also speaking at the hearing, Leon Panetta, the US defence secretary, said that these sorts of attacks were a sign of "weakness" on the part of fighters in Afghanistan.

"Overall, we judge this change in tactics to be a result of a shift in momentum in our favour and a sign of weakness in the insurgency," Panetta told the committee.

Panetta's remarks

Just two days after the assassination of Burhanuddin Rabbani, the former Afghan president who was playing a role in mediating with the Taliban, Panetta said that as "the Taliban lost control of territory last year they shifted away from large attacks on our forces to greater reliance on headline-grabbing attacks".

Panetta said that the best signal that the US could send was that they would continue to fight the Taliban, and that this would convince them to negotiate a peaceful settlement.

Mullen, who is to step down this month from his post, agreed with Panetta's assessment. He said that while headline-grabbing attacks were "serious and significant in shaping perceptions ... they do not represent a sea change in the odds of military success".

Panetta claimed that security was improving across Afghanistan, particularly in areas where the US has increased troop numbers, though he did not go into specifics.

"While overall violence in Afghanistan is trending down, and down substantially in areas where we concentrated our surge, we must be more effective in stopping these [high-profile] attacks and limiting the ability of insurgents to create perceptions of decreasing security," he said.

He said the US military is "working with our Afghan counterparts to discuss with them how we can provide better protection against these attacks. But the bottom line is that we can't let these sporadic events deter us from the progress that we've made".

'Exporting violence'

The comments on Pakistan's alleged links to the Haqqani group come after a series of tough statements from US officials on the subject, but were the toughest yet from Mullen.

"In choosing to use violent extremism as an instrument of policy, the government of Pakistan - and most especially the Pakistani Army and ISI [intelligence service], jeopardises not only the prospect of our strategic partnership, but also Pakistan's opportunity to be a respected nation with legitimate regional influence," Mullen said.

"By exporting violence, they have eroded their internal security and their position in the region. They have undermined their international credibility and threatened their economic well-being."

Panetta echoed that sentiment, and when questioned by Carl Levin, the chairman of the committee, on what the US could do in addition to applying diplomatic pressure, he declined to share "operational details" on what could be done.

"I don't think [Pakistani leaders] would be surprised by the actions we might or might not take," he said.

Yet Mullen stressed that Pakistan had a crucial role to play in the achievement of US objectives in the region.

"A flawed and difficult relationship [with Pakistan] is better than no relationship at all," he said, adding praise for Pakistani authorities for having targeted al-Qaeda leaders in the country.

Senator John McCain, the ranking member of the committee, said that while Panetta and Mullen may be continuing efforts to achieve US objectives with regards to Pakistan through negotiations, it would be an "uphill battle" to convince the US Congress to continue its current levels of aid and funding to the country.


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There is a good video of Mullen's remarks at the link.

This is what defeat looks like. Expect a major series of events to unfold to bring the US into line and keep the checks coming to the ISI.

1 posted on 09/23/2011 10:29:05 AM PDT by Eyes Unclouded
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To: Eyes Unclouded

Pakistan is an ally? With friends like these ...


2 posted on 09/23/2011 10:31:01 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: Eyes Unclouded

Sorry, but with friends like these, yadda yadda yadda...


3 posted on 09/23/2011 10:31:27 AM PDT by OCCASparky (Steely-eyed killer of the deep.)
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To: Eyes Unclouded
Pakistan has told the US it risks losing an ally if it continues to accuse the country of playing a double game in the war against al-Qaeda,

That is akin to fretting about being cured of an STD

4 posted on 09/23/2011 10:32:13 AM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: reaganaut1

The only thing good about Pakistan is the Cricket Team.

Spare them and carpet bomb the rest with incendiaries.


5 posted on 09/23/2011 10:34:48 AM PDT by Surrounded_too
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To: Eyes Unclouded

Which ‘ally’ is Pakistan talking about?


6 posted on 09/23/2011 10:35:10 AM PDT by AU72
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To: The Theophilus

There is no such thing as a muslim “ally” to a non-muslim nation.


7 posted on 09/23/2011 10:36:57 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: Eyes Unclouded
" Pakistan says US risks 'losing an ally'

Hmm, Looks like I gotta Brush up on my Indian.......

http://www.crossed-flag-pins.com/Friendship-Pins/USA/Flag-Pins-USA-India.jpg

8 posted on 09/23/2011 10:39:18 AM PDT by KC_Lion (If Sarah can't be elected in 2012, then Phase II will fall into place, may G-D have mercy on us all)
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To: Surrounded_too

Really? Their Cricket team? One of the worst in the traditional Big Eight of cricket ( England, Oz, Kiwis, South Africa, India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Windies)

It is currently ranked 6th in both Test Rankings and ODI and is primed to fall to 7th once the Windies play one more series.

http://icc-cricket.yahoo.net/match_zone/team_ranking.php


9 posted on 09/23/2011 10:40:03 AM PDT by SoftwareEngineer
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To: AU72
Which ‘ally’ is Pakistan talking about?

The patsy country with the idiot bowing head of state.

10 posted on 09/23/2011 10:41:25 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: Eyes Unclouded
Pakistan has told the US it risks losing an ally if it continues to accuse the country of playing a double game in the war against al-Qaeda, escalating the crisis in relations between the two countries.

Remind me where it was that we found Bin Laden, and then tell me again who our allies are.

11 posted on 09/23/2011 10:41:54 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: Eyes Unclouded

"So long, nuke ya later."

12 posted on 09/23/2011 10:42:40 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Eyes Unclouded

Pakistan should be reminded that their stockpile of nuclear weapons couls be glowing for a long time in a matter of minutes...


13 posted on 09/23/2011 10:44:34 AM PDT by OrioleFan
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To: Eyes Unclouded
I'll try not to cry myself to sleep tonight about losing this "ally".

Really I will.

And for once, we can honestly say that this IS Bush's fault.

14 posted on 09/23/2011 10:46:05 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (Nothing will cure the economy but debt deleveraging, deregulation, and time.)
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To: Surrounded_too

Eh. Throw them in. They are a bunch of match fixing dopers.


15 posted on 09/23/2011 10:47:53 AM PDT by Eyes Unclouded ("The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out." -George Carlin)
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To: reaganaut1

“Pakistan is an ally? With friends like these ...”

Maybe “ally” means “screw you from behind” in Pakistani.


16 posted on 09/23/2011 10:49:22 AM PDT by jessduntno (Obama shanks. America tanks.)
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To: Eyes Unclouded

“So, if you mention extortion again, I’ll have your legs broken.”


17 posted on 09/23/2011 10:50:31 AM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: SoftwareEngineer

So then you want to bomb them, too?

One less opponent for your favorite national team to beat upon.

7th isn’t bad when you consider all the club team possibilities in the world.


18 posted on 09/23/2011 10:50:46 AM PDT by Surrounded_too
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To: Eyes Unclouded

Time to put a “stop payment” on this week’s foreign aid check.


19 posted on 09/23/2011 10:51:40 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (My dream ticket for 2012 is John Galt & Dagny Taggart!)
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Fine. We shouldn’t send them another dime. See ya.


20 posted on 09/23/2011 10:53:21 AM PDT by NoRedTape
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To: Eyes Unclouded

“ally” must be a relative term now....


21 posted on 09/23/2011 10:55:41 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (Shaking My Head on a daily basis)
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To: Eyes Unclouded

Pakistan has mastered the art of playing the US.


22 posted on 09/23/2011 10:57:56 AM PDT by ravager
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To: Eyes Unclouded

In Pakistan, we NEVER HAD an ally. We simply BOUGHT a temporary companion — who hated us.


23 posted on 09/23/2011 11:00:27 AM PDT by patriot preacher
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To: Eyes Unclouded; Travis McGee; Grampa Dave; Squantos; Eaker; JohnHuang2; Jim Robinson; betty boop; ..
Here, let me move these paragtraphs around and clarify some of the reporters verbage:
On Thursday in prepared remarks to the US Senate Armed Services Committee, Admiral Mike Mullen, of the US joint chiefs of staff, said that the Haqqani network is a "veritable arm" of Pakistan's military intelligence agency.

Mullen said the ISI supported the Haqqani network in its attack last week on the US embassy and NATO headquarters in Kabul. "The Haqqani network ... acts as a veritable arm of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency," Mullen said.

The Haqqani network, which is distinct from the Afghan Taliban, is one of the factions that are fighting the US and NATO troops in Afghanistan.

"With ISI support, Haqqani operatives planned and conducted [a September 11] truck bomb attack, as well as the assault on our embassy," Mullen said.

"We also have credible intelligence that they were behind the June 28 attack against the Inter-Continental Hotel in Kabul and a host of other smaller but effective operations."

Hina Rabbani Khar, the Pakistani foreign minister told Geo TV in New York in remarks broadcast on Friday, directed at the US, "You will lose an ally."

"You cannot afford to alienate Pakistan, you cannot afford to alienate the Pakistani people. If you are choosing to do so and if they are choosing to do so it will be at their [the United States'] own cost."

General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, Pakistan's Chief of Army Staff, termed Mullen's comments as "very unfortunate and not based on facts".

"This is especially disturbing in view of a rather constructive meeting with Admiral Mullen in Spain," Kayani said in a statement.

Kayani indicated he was, "categorically denying the accusations of proxy war and ISI support to Haqqanis."

Kayani wished that "the blame game in public statements should give way to a constructive and meaningful engagement for a stable and peaceful."
So, who are you going to believe?

The Pakistani military and leadership, who for years had Osama bin Laden living in a secret, large compound in the shadow of their military academy, supposedly unaware that he was right there in one of their most secure cities, surrounded by tens of thosuands of their military's besta?

Or are you going to believe Admiral Mullens who has a stellar record in the War on Terror and in using the US intelligence agencies to root out terrorists all over the world?

Fact is, Pakistan is a nation split, horribly split, between a large segment of its population who would like peace and prosperity, and another large segment who are wholly committed to radical Islamic Jihad...against the United States, its allies, and their own citizens.

It has been shown on numerous occassions that high level operatives within the Pakistani intelligence agency and military have sold out the US and their own people in order to aid and abbett the terrorists.

With all of that on the table, it is not hard to understand what the truth is here...and why Pakistani officials are denying it so hard in public.

Some of the officials know and are perhaps a part of the problem...others cannot allow their own people to know how infitrated and compromised they are.

Sadly, here in the US, we also are infitrated with enemy sympathizers and those who despise America, clear to the leaders in our own government.

THE MAN WHO DESPISES AMERICA

MARXISM IN AMERICA

2012 cannot come quickly enough. We must double down on 2010 and route the vipers out of our own government.

24 posted on 09/23/2011 11:00:37 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: KC_Lion
Ummmm.... there is actually no such language called “Indian”. lol. Besides, if you can already speak “Pakistani”, you should be fine with “Indian” ;)
25 posted on 09/23/2011 11:02:49 AM PDT by ravager
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To: dfwgator

"So long, nuke ya later."

*SNICKER*...love that photo!...
We had the Pakis, as an Ally?
....maybe as a "ally of convenience"...
they are Muslim after all....


26 posted on 09/23/2011 11:05:11 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (I can take tomorrow, spend it all today. Who can take your income, tax it all away. Obama Man can. :)
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To: SoftwareEngineer
I dont think SA really belongs in the second position. They should be further down if you ask me.
27 posted on 09/23/2011 11:05:19 AM PDT by ravager
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To: MikeSteelBe
There is no such thing as a muslim “ally” to a non-muslim nation.

EXACTLY.
Since when do allies sponsor attacks against U.S. Embassies?

28 posted on 09/23/2011 11:05:45 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: patriot preacher

Yes, we bought a temporary companion - a whore.

Hopefully we got our monies worth - because fidelity was obviously NOT part of the purchase price.


29 posted on 09/23/2011 11:06:28 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Eyes Unclouded

With friends like these, eh Dude..

30 posted on 09/23/2011 11:06:52 AM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: ravager
Lemme see.....hide Bin Laden and probably Zawahiri & Co., arrest a few jihadis every now and then...turn them loose when US attention is diverted.....send the army up into the jihadi badlands with plenty hullaballoo....do nothing and then retreat quietly. Provide support for insurgents fighting the US in Afghanistan, blowing up CIA agents and killing SEALs. Attacking the US Embassy in Kabul.

For this they get billions from the US.....what's not to like ?

31 posted on 09/23/2011 11:07:47 AM PDT by Sloane_Ranger
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To: Eyes Unclouded

ToiletStan is no ally. They used us and we used them. If Allah was truly Compassionate, he would wipe the scourge of islam from the earth.


32 posted on 09/23/2011 11:14:09 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: Eyes Unclouded

Buh- bye!!


33 posted on 09/23/2011 11:14:32 AM PDT by eeevil conservative (GIVE ME A PLACE TO STAND AND I WILL MOVE THE EARTH....Archimedes)
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To: Eyes Unclouded

Pakistan is like this “over-the-hill” prostitute and US has always been a very generous customer.... but is losing interest now. Pakistan doesnt have too many generous customers left who are willing to patronize an old whore. The Chinese and Saudis has been screwing her for free.


34 posted on 09/23/2011 11:18:04 AM PDT by ravager
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To: Eyes Unclouded
Pffttt!

Close the war down, get out and leave these animals to their own devices.

35 posted on 09/23/2011 11:56:51 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Eyes Unclouded

Pakistan is an ally? Well heck, that is breaking news ...


36 posted on 09/23/2011 12:02:31 PM PDT by Scythian
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To: Eyes Unclouded

And Pakistan, you’ll gain an enemy.


37 posted on 09/23/2011 12:07:21 PM PDT by mojito
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To: Sloane_Ranger
Yup and after all of that... Pakistan has the gall to put the onus on US to be a “good ally”. And that is the art they have mastered.
38 posted on 09/23/2011 12:10:51 PM PDT by ravager
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To: Sloane_Ranger

I mean.... hats off to their audacity!


39 posted on 09/23/2011 12:16:28 PM PDT by ravager
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To: reaganaut1
It is an ally to the current President.

And the US policy has been to destabilize Israel to protect our interest in the area, but just keep things from breaking out into war.

40 posted on 09/23/2011 12:17:27 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Eyes Unclouded

Pakistan’s entire nuke force need to be taken out ASAP — hopefully right after the next GOP President takes the oath of office in Jan. of ‘13. It’ll send a much-needed message to the Muslim world. No Mohammedan country should be allowed in the nuclear club. Ever. Especially one like Pakistan with probably the most radical populace on earth.


41 posted on 09/23/2011 12:22:18 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Eyes Unclouded

FUPak. You’re a reeeeeeeally great buddy.


42 posted on 09/23/2011 12:23:30 PM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: Surrounded_too

My favorite team at this moment is England as we (USA) do not play international level cricket.

I have picked up a lot of interest in this game during the last 20 years of visiting England, Trinidad, Bahamas and India primarily. I am dying to visit Australia, where I hear this game is very popular

Pakistan really is dying out in cricket. They are above Bangladesh when it comes to cricket but nowhere near England, South Africa, Australia and India

It is like Rugby. You have 6-7 nations that play great rugby and the rest just suck lemons.


43 posted on 09/23/2011 12:33:14 PM PDT by SoftwareEngineer
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To: Eyes Unclouded
Pakistan says US risks 'losing an ally'

Pakistan? How would they know if Great Britain, Australia or Israel no longer wanted to be our ally?

44 posted on 09/23/2011 12:36:00 PM PDT by WayneS (Don't Blame Me, I voted for Kodos!)
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To: Eyes Unclouded

The United States without Pakistan as an ally is like a fish without a bicycle...


45 posted on 09/23/2011 12:37:02 PM PDT by WayneS (Don't Blame Me, I voted for Kodos!)
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To: ravager

Well yeah. From my experience the Aussies are just about the best players overall. India is doing well as in South Africa but England probably is a better team than all of them right now. They just beat India


46 posted on 09/23/2011 12:38:10 PM PDT by SoftwareEngineer
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To: Eyes Unclouded

India is an ally. Pakistan is not.


47 posted on 09/23/2011 12:40:01 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: reaganaut1

Losing Pakistan would be like losing Iran. Plus we would save about $3 billion a year we give them in bribe er aid money.


48 posted on 09/23/2011 12:46:40 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Eyes Unclouded

What ally dey be speaking of? Pakistan is not an ally.


49 posted on 09/23/2011 12:52:31 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Eyes Unclouded

ally, ALLY?! ...what is this guy smoking? Pakistan is no ally of the United States; Pakistan is an underhanded Muslim enemy of the USA which harbors, supports and clandestinely aids Islamic terrorists.


50 posted on 09/23/2011 1:06:47 PM PDT by Jmouse007 (Lord deliver us from evil and from those perpetuating it, in Jesus name, amen.)
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