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Why Gold's Decline Is Accelerating?
TMO ^ | 9-25-2011 | DK Matai

Posted on 09/25/2011 9:12:15 PM PDT by blam

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To: Lancey Howard

I had two deer within 20ft of my kitchen window, but sometimes I just like to see them.


21 posted on 09/25/2011 10:17:53 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Thunder90

LOL did they find more paper and ink?


22 posted on 09/25/2011 10:18:00 PM PDT by federal__reserve (Peace through strength has worked better than peace via appeasement in history.)
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To: blam

Silver down $3 tonight. Usually Asia trading is steady. The velocity of silver declining is stunning. Usually on that Kitco silver chart people post, the horizontal bars are scaled to twenty cents or even ten cents. The past two days they have been scaled at $2. People have to know that to judge on these charts how drastic this fall really is.


23 posted on 09/25/2011 10:24:12 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: blam
Whew! I wasn't looking forward to that blood-bath.

Well, I'm not too sure that we've dodged a blood-bath. In fact, it's looking more and more probable. It'll likely be over food and other essentials instead of gold and silver though.

24 posted on 09/25/2011 10:24:49 PM PDT by Errant
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To: blam

It’s a blip. Gold is still na excellent hedge aginst inflation. Long term, it is not going down.


25 posted on 09/25/2011 10:28:01 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

That is one nasty looking chart. Margin buyers are feeling the downside, some are looking for a window to jump out of right about now. Ugly.


26 posted on 09/25/2011 10:29:51 PM PDT by allmost
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To: blam

There are lots and lots and lots of “late-to-the-party” holders of both silver and gold. There will be panic selling for a while here. That is a reality.

Undoubtedly, silver will pause at even numbers of dollars, but that would appear to be only temporary. If silver goes back to where it started going parabolic, which is where frenzies often go to, we could be talking about $15.

Low twenties = very easy.


27 posted on 09/25/2011 10:30:50 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Madoff screwed the rich. Bernanke screwed us all.)
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To: umgud
Don't worry about Beck....he got in at $300.00 :)

Imagine how The Donald feels about excepting $160,000.00 in gold just a week or two ago. (Not that he has to worry about it...small drop in the bucket.)

28 posted on 09/25/2011 10:37:25 PM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: Errant
"It'll likely be over food and other essentials instead of gold and silver though. "

That's my thinking too...

29 posted on 09/25/2011 10:37:42 PM PDT by blam
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To: allmost
That is one nasty looking chart. Margin buyers are feeling the downside, some are looking for a window to jump out of right about now. Ugly.

AGQ is a double levered silver ETF. It uses leverage to double the price movement of silver. People who have held that over the last three days have seen an over 50% drop in the stock price. And we have already dropped $3 tonight, which will be reflected in the price tomorrow. Holders of AGQ could lose 75% or more in a week. What is particularly awful about trading metals stocks is that the underlying commodities markets are open when the stock market is closed. When a big move happens after hours, you are just stuck watching it helplessly.

AGQ

30 posted on 09/25/2011 10:39:29 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: blam
Not a problem for holders of physical gold, like myself, who made all their purchases between 2000 & 2002.

Especially since hurricane Isabel sent that surge up the Chesapeake Bay, overwhelming my house & docks, and leaving all my gold somewhere out in the middle of the Chesapeake Bay....along with all my long guns, hand guns, and ammo.

31 posted on 09/25/2011 10:43:12 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: Vince Ferrer
"What is particularly awful about trading metals stocks is that the underlying commodities markets are open when the stock market is closed. When a big move happens after hours, you are just stuck watching it helplessly. "

Words of wisdom.
32 posted on 09/25/2011 10:46:02 PM PDT by allmost
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To: eyedigress

Yeah, I’m no hunter but I have a couple of friends who hunt on my back wooded acres with bows. My wife tells them to get the deer with the azalea breath. I’ve caught them eating my tomatoes, too, and one time I caught one at my front porch gnawing at a Halloween pumpkin.


33 posted on 09/25/2011 10:53:18 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

Actually, I’ve been reading that farmland is the next big thing, considering food prices all the hedge funds are going long on it.


34 posted on 09/25/2011 10:56:56 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: Ronin

Anyone that buys gold on paper is ready to step up to a real investment. Golden gate bridge stock.


35 posted on 09/25/2011 11:09:19 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow democrats.)
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To: blam

Copper taking a dump means China is taking a dump. Euro union is is deep doodoo...dollar is taking a dead cat bounce. G & S is therefore weak. buy at the bottom.


36 posted on 09/25/2011 11:09:46 PM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: blam

I am still buying gold because nothing has changed. Nothing...


37 posted on 09/26/2011 12:00:03 AM PDT by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: blam
A few observations on the points made in the article:

  1. Exchange Traded Funds (ETFs)

    Not altogether certain these are a factor at the present time. True, they are un-backed and thus doomed to fail, but a dropping price actually helps strengthen them. Remember, nobody is actually taking any physical bullion out of the funds.

  2. Paying for Losses and Booking Profits

    Huge factor at the present time! Main culprits are the hedge funds. Investors want money out, margin calls are ringing, Au and Ag are the only things they can sell and still book a profit.

  3. Source of Liquidity and Margin Calls

    Mixed. Investors can always liquidate some or all of their margin stocks (or the broker/dealer will do it for them). About the last thing most want to do is bail out of the one asset bound to rebound, especially in an instant (e.g. think Middle East).

    On the other hand, the increased margin requirements at the Comex is indeed a factor, although much less of one since they have boosted them about a dozen times in the last few months. See Market Manipulation below.

  4. Flight to Cash

    Actually, gold is money, despite the Bernack's idiotic statement to the contrary. PM's are difficult to move (bulky, heavy, expensive to transport, etc.) and can be sold and then repurchased at a different location, but most of these transfers are made without disrupting the market.

    This is a factor, but is probably overrated.

  5. Too Fast Too Soon

    Technical analysis is most helpful when fundamentals are unchanging. This is not the case at the present time.

    Without a doubt, many of the algorithms used by the hedge funds are firing off right now, but this will probably not be much of an issue for very long.

  6. Deflation and Commodities

    Inflation is rampant and virtually every developed country is monetizing vast amounts of sovereign debt. Deflation is not a problem at this time.

    Commodities are falling because economic production is dropping - thus demand is, or will soon be, down substantially. However, this is not the case for PM's. Gold has limited industrial applications and silver's uses, while significant, are generally inelastic (e.g. medicine and antibacterial), or booming (e.g. smart phones and DVDs).

A few observations on the points missed by the article:

  1. Market Manipulation

    Banks and governments manipulate the hell out of PM's using numerous techniques, especially naked shorts. It's called the preservation of wealth effect. People panic when they see their currency trashed with respect to PM's. At the present time, the big banks are hung out to the tune of tens of billions in terms of paper losses and they are coming up on year end. Unfortunately, the price is dropping without knocking many leaves off of the gold tree (or in other words, the effect is temporary because they still have to come up with the bullion somewhere). Moreover, it looks like they are about to lose control of the market. Gresham's law anyone?

  2. European Bank Runs

    There is one of the largest runs in history going on at the present time as money is fleeing the European Community in advance of its collapse and the collapse of the Euro. For this reason, the Fed is printing a ton of money and "loaning" it to the ECB for the short term (until after the EOY banker boy bonuses). This is boosting the demand for dollars through the roof, and the price of gold is inversely proportional to the price of gold.

  3. Forced Sales of Metals Stocks

    Rumor has it that several eastern European banks (e.g. in Poland and the Baltic Countries) are being forced to sell gold in order raise dollars. Maybe.

  4. Government bullcrap

    The Fed are masters at subterfuge. Bernack has denied QE3. However, they are printing money for liquidity (see above), are about to bail out the IMF (again), and are propping up European banks. They are indeed "twisting" some of their short term debt into longer maturities, but while this addresses the problem of paybacks, it no way addresses the problem they have with ongoing deficits of $100 billion per month and rising. The current "solution" of reverse repos applied to GSE trash with big banks acting as middlemen is ... by any other name ... printing money to boost bank reserves and fund deficits ... which by any other name is quantitative easing. And people are stupid enough to believe the Fed line ... for a while yet.


38 posted on 09/26/2011 12:18:12 AM PDT by Zakeet (If it ain't broke, the Wee Wee will fix it until it is)
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To: umgud

>>This can’t be right, G Gordon Liddy and Glen Beck are still pushing hard.<<

They are pushing PHYSICAL gold, not pieces of paper. Keep buying the real stuff and secure it close by.


39 posted on 09/26/2011 1:44:25 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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Gold up $60. so far this morning...I am buying the dip with more physical...I still think close to $2K by Christmas!


40 posted on 09/26/2011 2:41:03 AM PDT by Drago
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