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The GOP Flipped, but Perry Hasn't
Texas Tribune ^ | September 27, 2011 | Mark P. Jones

Posted on 09/28/2011 7:08:25 AM PDT by hocndoc

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To: hocndoc

Illegal immigration is directly tied to our fiscal budget dilemma as well as the massive national unemployment we now are experiencing . What to do with the illegals problem is a paramount issue just like the debt . All GOPers must first agree to STOP the flow at the border and then to give notice to all illegals to register their status or face deportation . Stop the entitlements for them and all other cookies ,, all employers must use E-Verify and report social security fraud . Try to remember ,, for what ever reason ,, these people broke into your home ,, took up permanent residency ,, get free handouts , medical care , schooling , college tuition’s , etc at the home owners expense ,,,, you !!!! Then they are allowed to vote to keep the very idiot politicians who made this all possible for them . . .

That’s the REAL problem with candidates like Perry who are soft on illegal immigration and many Tea Party folks have had ENOUGH already !!! If you want to develop a voting base start with the American tax payer .


61 posted on 09/28/2011 10:17:07 AM PDT by Lionheartusa1 (-: Socialism is the equal distribution of misery :-)
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62 posted on 09/28/2011 10:20:28 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: kabar

We don’t have sanctuary cities in Texas like those in Alaska, etc. Some local sheriffs and police depts have policies that impede officers from checking immigration status until people are arrested.

In the meantime, the Feds have made it harder and more expensive for those departments that do wish to check citizenship. The Governor, in “Fed Up!,” refers to this article on the dilution of the 287g program by Obama http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2010/03/time-to-stop-the-rush-for-amnesty-immigration-reform
They now force local law enforcement agencies who wish to participate, to press all charges, to only check those who are arrested for serious crimes, and question the ability and professionalism of local LE agencies.

As to e-verify, the State uses a different system, but they do check immigration status of all employees. Remember that Newt Gingrich says the current E-verify is unreliable.

The


63 posted on 09/28/2011 10:30:10 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org I'm not afraid to use my mustard seed. 2 Control the border, Patrol the border!)
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To: Eva

Houston’s police chief made department policy. Some local officials have said they won’t check status unless people are arrested for serious crimes. On the other hand, Farmer’s Branch passed an ordinance forbidding rentals to illegal aliens and a Federal judge overturned them. (Alaska, Maine and Oregon are a *sanctuary states*)

However, when you look at the hassles the Feds give local LEO’s who do try to apprehend illegal aliens, it’s easier to understand some of the resistance.
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2010/03/time-to-stop-the-rush-for-amnesty-immigration-reform (see the section on 287g changes made by Obama.)


64 posted on 09/28/2011 10:43:31 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org I'm not afraid to use my mustard seed. 2 Control the border, Patrol the border!)
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To: hocndoc; Texas Eagle

Perry’s comment was in response to the badgering he was taking fron Mitt Romney and Chris Wallace, the “don’t have a heart” comment was addressed to them. I watched the debate, I never thought he was talking about me or other conservatives. He was visibly annoyed by the two smarmy weasels Wallace and Romney. Perry can explain that if he chooses to, not apologize for it. If he apologizes he’ll just be accused of pandering or flipfloping. He can expain it or ignore it, but he would be crazy to apologize.


65 posted on 09/28/2011 10:53:17 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Lionheartusa1

Perry is not soft on illegal immigration. He has worked for 20 years with the problem of working around the roadblocks that the Feds put in the way of Texas and other states when we try to control immigration.

We’re supposed to begin deporting criminals paroled from our own prisons this month. http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/08/25/texas-can-soon-begin-deporting-foreign-convicts/

But let’s wait and see how helpful the DOJ and ICE really are, when these are the same agencies bringing criminals to the State from Arizona and all over the US.

We spend 100’s of millions on our own Rangers, DPS, and local law enforcement trying to keep the illegal aliens out of our State to be faced with Federal Border patrols who won’t shoot, are too far away to respond, and a Dept of Justice that dumps 100’s of thousands of deportation cases in our State - they set a future court date and let the illegal alien go on his own. Recently, they’ve just started to dismiss the cases.
http://www.texastribune.org/immigration-in-texas/immigration/dhs-review-possibly-hault-some-deportation-cases/

We tried to keep the children of illegal aliens out of our schools, and were over turned by the Supreme Court in 1982.

We spend nearly a billion dollars a year on education for grades k-12 for illegal aliens, but there’s nothing we can do.


66 posted on 09/28/2011 10:56:23 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org I'm not afraid to use my mustard seed. 2 Control the border, Patrol the border!)
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To: smoothsailing

Michelle Bachmann had made some comments, too. Claiming she’d fence off “every inch” of the Rio Grande and calling Texas’ policies “madness.”


67 posted on 09/28/2011 11:00:23 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org I'm not afraid to use my mustard seed. 2 Control the border, Patrol the border!)
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To: hocndoc

,,,,,, sorry but I feel that Perry is just another Bush 43 who will turn his head on the immigration problem once he’s elected . I got the same feeling as the audience during Fox’s last debate in which Perry made the statement about you not having a heart if you don’t extend these perks to the illegals . That one statement without a doubt has him falling from grace with the Tea Party and most other conservative groups and independents . He spoke his true feelings and he got booed big time . Perry does not even believe there should be a fence along Texas’s border ( it sure worked in Eastern Europe and still does in China ) . Shovel ready jobs securing the southern border sounds real good to most Americans ,, a nice group competitive bid contracts by the private sector would create many non govt. employment opportunities for many legal Texans’.

He’s Toast !!!


68 posted on 09/28/2011 11:58:39 AM PDT by Lionheartusa1 (-: Socialism is the equal distribution of misery :-)
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To: hocndoc

Yes, Michele has come out of this greatly diminished in my eyes. Her statements and actions border on either desperation, derangement, or some mix of the two.


69 posted on 09/28/2011 12:28:04 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Eva
There are a number of sanctuary cities and counties in Texas. Read this if you want to elevate your blood pressure
70 posted on 09/28/2011 12:28:19 PM PDT by kabar
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To: deport; kabar
Pro or Con this issue wouldn’t have to be debated if the Federal Gov’t would do its job on the borders. There wouldn’t even be a need to provide education at the lower levels of elementary and high school either.
Exactly so. Fixing the symptoms won't cure the disease. Forcing the Federal Government to do its job will be the first step to recovery.
71 posted on 09/28/2011 12:50:26 PM PDT by Quicksilver (Defeat Obama - zero-sum games will get us Zero, again.)
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To: hocndoc
We don’t have sanctuary cities in Texas like those in Alaska, etc. Some local sheriffs and police depts have policies that impede officers from checking immigration status until people are arrested.

I hope you are just joking because anyone who denies that there are no sanctuary cities and counties in Texas is certifiably insane.

Laws, Resolutions and Policies Instituted Across the U.S. Limiting Enforcement of Immigration Laws by State and Local Authorities

If you go to the link above, you will see the sanctuary jurisdictions in Texas (Austin and Houston) citing the relevant laws/decrees/regulations that essentially flaunt US immigration laws and prohibit local law enforcement from cooperating with the feds.

SANCTUARY CITIES AND STATES INFORMATION RESOURCE TEXAS HAS ONE OR MORE CITIES OFFERING ILLEGAL SANCTUARY

Sanctuary Cities Bill Clears Texas Senate

As to e-verify, the State uses a different system, but they do check immigration status of all employees. Remember that Newt Gingrich says the current E-verify is unreliable.

There is no different system except the I-9s that are rife with fraud. It was the reason why the E-Verify system was created. It is pure BS to say that the system, created in 1996, is unreliable. What measures are you using? You appear to know very little about the immigration issue. I say that advisedly having worked fulltime on the issue for over five years, lobbied on the Hill and in Richmond, and testified on the issue before legislators. FYI: E-Verify is mandatory on all federal contracts.

72 posted on 09/28/2011 12:52:49 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Lionheartusa1; smoothsailing

He should have gotten a 30 sec reply after Bachmann made the “madness” statement, but Wallace kept going on his own agenda - he knew the questions that were coming.

Perry’s got history, and a proven “hard core right conservative,” according to “On the Issues.” He has fought for pro-life, pro-marriage, pro-business laws and resisted pressure over and over to raise taxes or try for an income tax. He lowered school taxes in ‘06, fought for tort reform and the new “loser pays.” We have voter ID, a new law prohibiting illegals from getting a driver’s license.

He pressured the Senate to pass the sanctuary cities ban, but the House, with 150 members (101 of them Republican) balked with Republicans including big donors and even grass roots anti-immigration activists told them not to pass the bill.

The whole Legislature has passed this bill into law, twice, and refused to over turn this year.


73 posted on 09/28/2011 1:00:47 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org I'm not afraid to use my mustard seed. 2 Control the border, Patrol the border!)
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To: kabar

Yeah, the feds also require union workers.

Did you hear Newt Gingrich on E verify?

Struggling U.S. workers continue to compete with millions of illegal aliens. Do you support legislation to require all employers to use E-Verify in order to ensure that the people that they hire are actually legally authorized to work in the U.S.? And will you impose penalties against employers who continue to hire illegal workers?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WALLACE: The question, Mr. Speaker, is, should employers be required to use E-Verify?

GINGRICH: Well, let me say, first of all, I think we would be better off to outsource E-Verify to American Express, MasterCard or Visa, because they actually know how to run a program like that without massive fraud.

(APPLAUSE)

GINGRICH: Second, the program should be as easy as swiping your credit card when you buy gasoline. And so I would ask of employers, what is it you would object to in helping the United States of America in dealing with the problem involving illegal immigration?

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/22/fox-news-google-gop-2012-presidential-debate/#ixzz1ZHNV4d1W


74 posted on 09/28/2011 1:05:26 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org I'm not afraid to use my mustard seed. 2 Control the border, Patrol the border!)
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To: hocndoc

,,,,,,, I guess I just don’t have a heart ,,, like he says ,,, and we all know what he ment no matter what the record says .

,,,, he’s toast . . .


75 posted on 09/28/2011 1:13:41 PM PDT by Lionheartusa1 (-: Socialism is the equal distribution of misery :-)
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To: Marie
What was going on in 2001?

- we didn’t have 9-11 to think about. Illegal immigration was not broadly seen as a national security issue.
- we hadn’t had the debate about ‘compassionate conservationism’ with Bush yet.
- the entire issue of illegal immigration wasn’t in the foreground of public discussion.

Could I forgive Perry for this signature - seeing as how so much of this is Monday Morning Quarterbacking?

Sure. If he asked for forgiveness. If he really believed that it was a bad decision.

But he defends himself. *After* we’ve had the debate and endured the horrors that were 9-11, he still ends up on the wrong side.

Then he insults those of us who’ve thought this through and decided that the stance was wrong.


You nailed it, but you also forgot something - Perry was supporting open borders in 2001. Obviously 9/11 changed that, and Perry switched his message over to guest worker programs, and this is where you really nailed it - he's never apologized for it or retracted his views on guest workers. We have no idea what his stance in 2011 on guest workers is.
76 posted on 09/28/2011 2:11:12 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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Don’t forget that the law was revised and passed with the same support in 2005.

Further evidence that this country is not well served having border state politicians with too much say in national policies concerning illegal aliens. Some seem genetically incapable of resisting the urge to pander.

77 posted on 09/28/2011 2:12:32 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Lionheartusa1
That’s the REAL problem with candidates like Perry who are soft on illegal immigration and many Tea Party folks have had ENOUGH already !!! If you want to develop a voting base start with the American tax payer .

In Texas, the Tea Party folks have been organizing and calling for Perry to call another special session to deal with illegal immigration and other issues. Perry acted tough on illegal immigration when he called the last session, but when push came to shove, Perry stayed out of the way when his donors worked to kill off legislation that would have helped law enforcement deal with illegals. Perry did not have a single critical word for his donors. If the issue had been as important to Perry as he claimed it was, he would have been criticizing his donors and lobbying for that legislation to be passed, instead of it meekly dying out.
78 posted on 09/28/2011 2:15:29 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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“On the Issues.” He has fought for pro-life, pro-marriage,

Except that Perry supported a pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage candidate for President by the name of Rudy Giuliani in the last election. Some have claimed Giuliani's stances on other issues are more important, but if you are a serious pro-lifer like Perry claims to be, you don't compromise when it comes to somebody who supports the murder of babies. You just don't. It's even worse when that person is running for President and could appoint justices to the Supreme Court, which could influence those very same issues.

He pressured the Senate to pass the sanctuary cities ban, but the House, with 150 members (101 of them Republican) balked with Republicans including big donors and even grass roots anti-immigration activists told them not to pass the bill.

Those big donors include Perry's biggest and richest donor, a homebuilder, and Perry did not criticize him or go in and lobby against his efforts. Of course that same donor not only has Perry bought off, but he's got Dewhurst and Straus bought off as well, so it's no surprise. They do his bidding or stay out of his way.
79 posted on 09/28/2011 2:24:07 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: hocndoc
Quoting Newt Gingrich on E-Verify or immigration is like citing Obama on the Constitution. Gingrich is an amnesty supporter. Gingrich's comments reflect how little he knows about E-Verify.

E-Verify Statistics and Reports

Most employees are automatically confirmed as work authorized.

98.3 percent of employees are automatically confirmed as authorized to work ("work authorized") either instantly or within 24 hours, requiring no employee or employer action. 1.7 percent of employees receive initial system mismatches.

Of the 1.7% of employees who receive initial system mismatches:

0.3 percent are later confirmed as work authorized after contesting and resolving the mismatch. 1.43 percent are not found work authorized.

Of the 1.43% of employees not found to be work authorized:

1.3 percent of employees who receive initial mismatches do not contest the mismatch either because they do not choose to or are unaware of the opportunity to contest and as a result are not found work authorized. The E-Verify program closely monitors uncontested mismatches and actively reaches out to employers to ensure that they are aware of their responsibility to inform employees of the right to contest.

0.01 percent of employees who receive initial mismatches contest the mismatch and are not found work authorized.

0.14 percent of employees with initial mismatches are unresolved because the employer closed the cases as "self-terminated" or as requiring further action by either the employer or employee at the end of FY10.

The Customer Satisfaction Index for E-Verify is 82. This is a positive result, especially when compared to benchmarks such as the latest federal government satisfaction index, which is 69. Even more so when considering that many of the users signed up not voluntarily, but because of a requirement from local, state or federal government or a parent company.

271,460 employers enrolled in the system. 13 million screened.

80 posted on 09/28/2011 2:35:41 PM PDT by kabar
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