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To: South40; matthew fuller

That’s not amnesty. Do you even know what amnesty is? Perry is 100% against it. Amnesty and a guest worker program is not the same thing. There are many different variables in immigration policy.

I don’t know what your game is on FR, but your intellect seems to be based on some sort of binary code where only 0 or 1 are the possible answers. I offer to you that there are 2s 3s, 8s, 11s, etc., etc., on this complicated issue.

I provided a link that shows Perry is dead-set against amnesty. You pull up a quote that has nothing to do with amnesty and then called me a liar. Also, you do realize that it is already state law in Texas so LEO can ask for citizenship, right, and that Arizona was behind Texas in doing this. You also realize that Texas has a strict voter ID law, right, which makes it near impossible for illegals to vote.

You know all of this, right?


56 posted on 09/28/2011 10:30:52 PM PDT by Carling (Mitt Romney Signed a Bill that Mandated Taxpayer-funded Abortions)
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To: Carling

We had a guest worker program in the 50s. Maquilladora it was called or something like that. It worked quite well.

At our current birth rates, the country is going to need increased immigration for economic growth and stability. What’s needed is sane legal immigration methods.


58 posted on 09/28/2011 10:33:41 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Carling; matthew fuller
I never said a thing about a 'guest worker program'. The quote and source I provided show Perry is for a 'path to citizenship' for ILLEGAL aliens. And regardless how badly you embarrass yourself denying that is amnesty you just can't change the fact that it is.
64 posted on 09/28/2011 10:42:47 PM PDT by South40 (2012 matchup.... CAIN vs UNABLE?)
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To: Carling

Carling: “Amnesty and a guest worker program is not the same thing.”

Not necessarily true. What is the definition of an amnesty?

amnesty: A general pardon granted by a government, especially for political offenses.

What is the legal penalty for illegally entering the USA or staying here after one’s visa has expired? Illegal entry can get you a fine, imprisonment, or both. A visa overstay can get you banned for 3 to 10 years and requires you to leave the country before you can get another visa or apply to immigrate.

It appears Governor Perry wants a guest worker program. If his program pardons illegal aliens, then it’s an amnesty. In other words, if the illegals get to stay here without paying the penalties currently prescribed by the law, then it’s a pardon, aka amnesty.


71 posted on 09/28/2011 11:02:15 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (What's special about bad? Bad is easy. Anyone can do bad. I prefer good!)
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To: Carling
Sorry Carly, Perry is broken. He'd fail on a H.S. debating team. He blew it... clumsy, inept. It's doubtful whether he can recover from 2 poor debate apperances
98 posted on 09/29/2011 1:29:49 AM PDT by ChiMark
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To: Carling
AMNESTY is anything that circumvents the LAWS ON THE BOOKS and allows those illegally in the Republic to either stay here... or to have the power to bypass the traditional avenue to citizenship... ANYTHING that coddles illegal invaders and allows them to stay in America in violation of our sovereignty... IS AMNESTY.

LLS

113 posted on 09/29/2011 4:40:39 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Is the person that you support a Crony Capitalist... A.K.A. CRAPITALIST?)
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To: Carling

Let me tell you, just for the record, those of us who are old enough to remember know that guest worker programs don’t work. We remember the brasero program that didn’t work and that is why they stopped it. Get rid of the minimum wage and you will have farmers and fruit growers hiring Americans again because they won’t have to pay minimum wage. What ever they are called, illegals or guest workers they are still here taking money away from Americans, and don’t give me that sh** about “jobs Americans won’t do”, that is just BS.


155 posted on 09/29/2011 12:37:57 PM PDT by calex59
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