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The Dick Durbin Bank Fees
WSJ ^ | SEPTEMBER 29, 2011 | TODD ZYWICKI

Posted on 09/30/2011 6:38:58 AM PDT by throwback

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I'd say unintended consequences, but the consequence was easily forseen. So Durbin purposely punished the consumer for the sake of one of his interest groups knowing that he could pin the rap on the evil banks. And it works because every time I post something related to this the thread turns into a diatribe about how people hate their bank. Someday the people that actually scr_w things up will be held accoutable, but that's beginning to look like it won't be till the second coming.
1 posted on 09/30/2011 6:39:00 AM PDT by throwback
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To: throwback

I do hate banks but I also hate what the govt is doing.

I’m using cash a lot more. Its harder for them to track and more expensive for the retailers to handle.


2 posted on 09/30/2011 6:42:24 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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The banks now have to charge the consumer instead of the merchant in a transaction.

If free market principles apply, the merchants will lower their prices accordingly, and the consumer will simply be made more aware of the transaction fees.

In reality, the merchants will keep prices the same, and as the OP said, all blame will go to the evil banks.

I’m no fan of banks, but they have to make money.


3 posted on 09/30/2011 6:43:44 AM PDT by brownsfan (Aldous Huxley and Mike Judge were right.)
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“I’m using cash a lot more. Its harder for them to track and more expensive for the retailers to handle.”

I use cash most of the time. Gas stations make paying with cash a pain. Retail store clerks look at me like a crazy old man when I pay cash. But, then I know how much money I don’t have when I spend it, and there’s nothing in the wallet. No deficit spending when you use cash as your means of payment!


4 posted on 09/30/2011 6:46:51 AM PDT by brownsfan (Aldous Huxley and Mike Judge were right.)
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Is it possible to get rid of all checking accounts and still function (not become a hermit)? Can I close my checking and make my customers pay cash, pay all bills with a credit card or cash and pay my credit card off with a money order from the post office, until they go out of business...I left one bank because they want $1,000 minimum of my money in a non-interest bearing checking account at all times or face a penalty, probably $10 bucks a month. I left them and went to another bank who just informed me they are going to be charging the same thing.
5 posted on 09/30/2011 6:46:56 AM PDT by ArtDodger (Reread Animal Farm (with your kids))
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Indeed.

I recall in late 2008 when a window manufacturer was closing down in Chicago and Jesse Jackson and the other usual suspects blamed it on Bank of America, demanding that the bank continue funding an earlier form of Solyndra. Of course the pop culture media and economic illiterates jumped on the bandwagon to blame the banks.

Sad to see the same happening now with the debit card fees. Don’t expect Durbin to held accountable as long as economic ignorance predominates within the US population.


6 posted on 09/30/2011 6:50:46 AM PDT by JohnJ
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To: brownsfan

Your post matches my sentiments. I think a lot of the problems in our economy are caused by violation of the principle that the person using a thing should be the one paying for it. In that is the reason our health care is so expensive.

If people actually had to pay what their doctor visits cost, they would not go for every little sniffle. And they would shop price. And prices would be more competitive for just that reason.

Now that the fee is at least more shifted to the customer, the customer can more control how they use their money. That is a good thing.

And like you I am no fan of the banks. Frankly, I also see this law as meddlesome. However, the card complanies do sort of have a monopoly on these fees. There are very few (but they do exist) retailers that refuse to accept credit cards, and these are botique shops like coffee, used record stores, etc. Most do it at their peril. The card companies basically were applying a boot to their neck.


7 posted on 09/30/2011 6:52:07 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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Some consumers who previously banked for free will be unable or unwilling to pay these fees merely for the privilege of a bank account. As many as one million individuals will drop out of the mainstream banking system and turn to check cashers, pawn shops and high-fee prepaid cards, according to an estimate earlier this year by economists David Evans, Robert Litan and Richard Schmalensee.

Smooth move, Durban. You aim for the "fat cats" and end up splattering the "little guy" as collateral damage. The thing is, this is the typical outcome for RAT policies yet they are never called out. You have those idiot protestors on Wall St. kvetching about the cost of their education but does Wall St. set tuition rates? No, the schools ratchet up the tuition and fees as gubermint aid climbs. Those clowns should be complaining outside of the Dean's office.

8 posted on 09/30/2011 6:52:51 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (So much stress was put on Bush's Fault that it finally let go, magnitude 6)
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bttt


9 posted on 09/30/2011 6:55:36 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Obamageddon, Barackalypse Now! Bam is "Debt Man Walking" in 2012 - Rush Limbaugh)
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“There are very few (but they do exist) retailers that refuse to accept credit cards ... “

The only downside to me is that some of those smaller retailers that accept cards will usually give you a discount for cash, (since there is no transaction fee).


10 posted on 09/30/2011 6:55:57 AM PDT by brownsfan (Aldous Huxley and Mike Judge were right.)
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People spend more when they use credit cards or debit cards. Banks and retailers love em.


11 posted on 09/30/2011 6:56:36 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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—The only downside to me is that some of those smaller retailers that accept cards will usually give you a discount for cash, (since there is no transaction fee).—

Yeah. I see a lot of that. It always cracks me up when I see it because - and this is what I think it really unfair - thei PCI standards and contract clearly says that if a retailer is caught doing that they will lose their ability to accept the cards.

Retailers are actually prohibited by the card company from charging a different price for card vs cash transactions. The only reason they get away with it is that the card companies are not as diligent in policing their “legal rights” as much as BMI/ASCAP.


12 posted on 09/30/2011 7:03:44 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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My credit union is just the opposite. They pay me over 6% interest on the first $500 in my savings and CHECKING account. However, if my balance goes over $500, the whole lot pays something like .02%. But I have not paid an ATM fee for well over a decade and I have never paid fees on my checking account.


13 posted on 09/30/2011 7:06:51 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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It’s amazing to me how Dick Turbin gets elected.


14 posted on 09/30/2011 7:08:26 AM PDT by Rappini (Pro Deo et Patria)
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With high gas prices, collecting cash only makes gas stations and retail stores magnets for robbery. Being a clerk at such a business is very high risk, especially with our society that doesn’t honor life. Do your clerk a favor and pay by credit or debit card.


15 posted on 09/30/2011 7:45:13 AM PDT by Boomer One
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To: throwback

Anybody using the prepaid Visa cards from somewhere like Wal Mart that you can buy at the checkout? That would make it easier at gas pumps, etc, to pay but I’m not sure if they take a fee out of the card when you use it.


16 posted on 09/30/2011 7:49:09 AM PDT by Reagan is King
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it’s interesting to watch people at atm’s on tv blame the banks but not the politicians that created the mess.


17 posted on 09/30/2011 7:49:45 AM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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I will tell BoA to thank DiK Durbhead when I pull all of my money out of their bank.


18 posted on 09/30/2011 7:51:31 AM PDT by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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They were enacted at the behest of big-box retailers such as Wal-Mart and Walgreen's

And I'm sure Wal-Mart and Walgreen's will be returning these savings on card fees to consumers through lower prices.

Do I need a sarcasm tag?

19 posted on 09/30/2011 8:07:34 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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This is classic stuff. Squeeze a balloon at one end and the effect is seen at the other end.

Banks, like other businesses, do not operate in a static profit environment. If the government mandates a loss of income by squeezing fees to merchants by fiat, the banks have to make up the income at the other end, the consumer.

A corollary of the same process is occurring in Obamacare. The government is mandating additional coverage with the attendant increased cost. Only morons would be surprised that the cost of insurance to pay for the increased costs is going up.


20 posted on 09/30/2011 8:27:15 AM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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