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Fight Erupts Over First Lady's Travel Costs
usnews.com ^ | Oct. 5, 2011 | Paul Bedard

Posted on 10/05/2011 2:02:39 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

A fight has broken out between the White House, its defenders and a conservative public watchdog group over first lady Michelle Obama's travel costs and how they are calculated. The dispute stems from a Judicial Watch release yesterday, reported by Whispers, that said the first lady's June goodwill mission to Africa cost $424,142 just for her Air Force C32A.

Judicial Watch said it used Pentagon calculations to come up with the price to taxpayers, multiplying the hourly cost of $12,188 by the number of flight hours, 34.8.

[Read: Michelle Obama's Africa Trip Cost More than $424,142.]

The White House later said that the costs used were exaggerated and included elements typically not included in calculating flight costs.

"The number stated is misconstrued and out of context. The hourly rate is not the marginal cost of operating the plane—it is an accounting figure that prices in a number of fixed costs from maintaining the Air Force fleet for this kind of plane over a year. For example, it includes estimated replacement parts, depreciation, repairs, and costs that would have been incurred regardless of this flight," said an official.

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KEYWORDS: grifter; moochelle; spending; travel
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1 posted on 10/05/2011 2:02:40 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

So give us the REAL numbers!

And also the amount paid by those 21 freeloader relatives and friends as compensation

Ditto with the trip to Spain with a posse of 30, all to have lunch with the Queen...


2 posted on 10/05/2011 2:07:37 PM PDT by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common - Voltaire)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

So how much did we pay for her children....I mean “staff” to go?


3 posted on 10/05/2011 2:09:21 PM PDT by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

***The hourly rate is not the marginal cost of operating the plane—it is an accounting figure that prices in a number of fixed costs from maintaining the Air Force fleet for this kind of plane over a year.***

Bifurcated bookkeeping???

Who else used this plane ‘over the year’?


4 posted on 10/05/2011 2:10:01 PM PDT by sodpoodle (God is ignoring me - because He is watching you.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The modern day “let them eat cake” crowd. The Obama’s are the classic “poor white trash” with apologies to America’s poor white trash.


5 posted on 10/05/2011 2:11:00 PM PDT by Dapper 26
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Everywhere this WH turns anymore, there is just damaging embarrassment. The Regime were partying like rock stars all through this term and now they are surprised they are being called on it.


6 posted on 10/05/2011 2:11:22 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Although the overall amount is small, the fact they categorized the First Daughters as "Senior Staff" is the most troubling.

The First Lady's staff filed a fraudulent travel voucher.

This is straight out of Animal Farm.

7 posted on 10/05/2011 2:12:49 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (My dream ticket for 2012 is John Galt & Dagny Taggart!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
"The number stated is misconstrued and out of context. The hourly rate is not the marginal cost of operating the plane—it is an accounting figure that prices in a number of fixed costs from maintaining the Air Force fleet for this kind of plane over a year. For example, it includes estimated replacement parts, depreciation, repairs, and costs that would have been incurred regardless of this flight," said an official.

Like all government spending, there are multiple accounting methods used to track the money, depending on whether you want to talk about how expensive something is or how cheap.

For example, when you want to calculate the cost of a mission in President Bush's illegal war in Iraq, you can get one number, but when you want to calculate the cost of a comparable mission to fly Queen Esther and her brood on a fat-finding mission to Africa, you can produce a far lower number.

8 posted on 10/05/2011 2:13:45 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“The hourly rate is not the marginal cost of operating the plane—it is an accounting figure that prices in a number of fixed costs from maintaining the Air Force fleet for this kind of plane over a year.”

Yes moron, that’s how the hourly cost of ALL aircraft is calculated.

From the airline to the corporate jet - yes even Air Force aircraft. And by the way, it sounds suspiciously low already.


9 posted on 10/05/2011 2:14:52 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The First Wookie travels with a hairdresser and makeup artist...well, that’s really been working. /s


10 posted on 10/05/2011 2:15:54 PM PDT by twister881
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Fight erupts over First Lady's travel costs, and food costs, and liquor costs, and massage costs, and number of vacations, and hypocrisy about food, and attitude towards America, and everything else.

Don't you miss Nancy and Laura?
11 posted on 10/05/2011 2:16:18 PM PDT by DTxAg
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The bitch needs to pay us back.


12 posted on 10/05/2011 2:16:44 PM PDT by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: Night Hides Not

I want to know if / and how much the two kids got paid to be “senior staffers”. Impeach now.


13 posted on 10/05/2011 2:18:37 PM PDT by rokkitapps ( Hearings on healthcare waivers NOW! (If you agree make this your tagline))
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To: DTxAg
Don't you miss Nancy and Laura?

Shoot...I even miss Hillary.

14 posted on 10/05/2011 2:19:08 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (My dream ticket for 2012 is John Galt & Dagny Taggart!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

What about the $900.00 for just plane food?


15 posted on 10/05/2011 2:19:10 PM PDT by shoff (Environmentalists are the 21st century┬ĺs luddites.)
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To: silverleaf

Since this is just the cost of the plane then I assume it’ll be about the same whether there were 20 people or just her. But it’d be interesting to see what her total bill for travel has been, both international and domestic. I know Laura Bush made occasional trips without George, but I don’t remember her making anywhere near the number that Michelle Obama has made. The difference between the amount rung up by the two of them has to be enormous.


16 posted on 10/05/2011 2:19:54 PM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: Dapper 26

“Let them eat cake.” is now “Eat your peas.”


17 posted on 10/05/2011 2:20:41 PM PDT by texas_mrs (Heartless Conservative & Native Texan)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

We need to force all First Families to pay the full cost of any vacation they take while in the White House.


18 posted on 10/05/2011 2:21:08 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: Night Hides Not
Shoot...I even miss Hillary.

Heck of a position to be in, huh?
19 posted on 10/05/2011 2:21:36 PM PDT by DTxAg
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To: rokkitapps
I want to know if / and how much the two kids got paid to be “senior staffers”. Impeach now.

You get a two-fer on that one:

1. If they got paid, child labor and payroll tax laws were broken.

2. If they didn't get paid, child labor laws were broken.

Paging Hilda Solis, paging Hilda Solis...

20 posted on 10/05/2011 2:22:19 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (My dream ticket for 2012 is John Galt & Dagny Taggart!)
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To: DTxAg
Heck of a position to be in, huh?

I'm thinking Hobson's Choice, but there's got to be a better analogy.

21 posted on 10/05/2011 2:25:34 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (My dream ticket for 2012 is John Galt & Dagny Taggart!)
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To: silverleaf
Pissing over the cost per hour of the plane is only the flesh wound.....the costs associated with the secret service, hotels, vehicles, food and other expenses while in Afrika are equal to or higher than the flight cost itself! The total cost is more like $1.5 million to the taxpayers if it were actually accounted for. You know the advance teams were weeks ahead of the african queen and her posse.
22 posted on 10/05/2011 2:26:23 PM PDT by Hogblog
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To: sodpoodle
"Who else used this plane ‘over the year’?"

Probably the dog.

23 posted on 10/05/2011 2:27:12 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Night Hides Not

It’s actually a three-fer since they in fact aren’t senior staff, MO falsified federal forms, punishable by fines and imprisonment.


24 posted on 10/05/2011 2:30:56 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Free ThinkerNY

What “fight”?

Moochelle will get away with screwing the taxpayer and she will do it again and get away with it again.


25 posted on 10/05/2011 2:33:32 PM PDT by 353FMG (Liberalism is Satan's handiwork.)
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To: mass55th

Ha Ha;)

The cost of operating any equipment includes those items mentioned. That is how costs are pro-rated/assessed.

Do they think we are stupid?

Oh...................


27 posted on 10/05/2011 2:37:16 PM PDT by sodpoodle (God is ignoring me - because He is watching you.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Moosejaw should grow a big pair of cankles and fire the entire WH Travel Office.

28 posted on 10/05/2011 2:37:56 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

That is slick. Now, instead of answering the question, they are having a big argument about cost accounting. This method, perfected by Slick Clinton, works every time with a compliant press.


29 posted on 10/05/2011 2:48:18 PM PDT by JimSEA (The future ain't what it used to be.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Did Øbama use his pimp hand on his babies momma?


30 posted on 10/05/2011 2:56:55 PM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways a Guero y Guay Lao << >> with a floating, shifting, ever changing)
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To: DTxAg
Don't you miss Nancy and Laura?

Nancy, Barbara, Laura, heck even Hillary...

I mean, Hillary made our lives miserable in a lot of ways while Bill was DIRTPOTUS but I don't recall her ever taking lavish overseas vacations with a 30 flunky entourage.

31 posted on 10/05/2011 2:57:36 PM PDT by Ronin (If we were serious about using the death penalty as a deterrent, we would bring back public hangings)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Half a MILLION DOLLARS was just for the PLANE!!!!!!!


32 posted on 10/05/2011 2:58:45 PM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: blueyon

The ENTIRE Administration is nothing but CHILDREN, so I guess they fit right in.


33 posted on 10/05/2011 3:00:49 PM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

At least Marie Antoinette was good looking.


34 posted on 10/05/2011 3:02:07 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
didn't the silly cow list her spawn as Assistants or Aides or some such????
35 posted on 10/05/2011 3:03:49 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

It seems the WH needs a lesson in cost accounting, in particular activity based costing.


36 posted on 10/05/2011 3:03:55 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Fun for women ages 21 - 35)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This is good. Let’s have a big VERY PUBLIC fight about it.


37 posted on 10/05/2011 3:14:24 PM PDT by DManA
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To: mass55th
I believe the plane is also on standby to fly in the pizza chef every time Mooch and Barry get a hankering for some Moocherella and pepperoni.
38 posted on 10/05/2011 3:21:08 PM PDT by JPG (Palin '12)
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To: Ronin

She did plenty of traveling with Chelsea.


39 posted on 10/05/2011 3:28:31 PM PDT by surrey
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Resident Obama’s relatives won’t go on these international party trips with the Moose even though they are always invited.

They are afraid they won’t be able to get back into the US with their bogus ID’s.


40 posted on 10/05/2011 3:36:29 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Obama/Rangel/Pelosi Code of Ethics: Don┬ĺt do as I do. Do as I say.)
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To: Night Hides Not

So the daughters were paid a stipend?!


41 posted on 10/05/2011 3:58:08 PM PDT by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: dead

“when you want to calculate the cost of a mission in President Bush’s illegal war in Iraq”. Really? How was it illegal?


42 posted on 10/05/2011 4:19:18 PM PDT by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem)
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
The bitch needs to pay us back.

She plans to. This has been her Winnie Mandela wanna-bedream. 'Necklaces' for all of her enemies.

43 posted on 10/05/2011 4:27:35 PM PDT by Noumenon (The only 'NO' a liberal understands is the one that arrives at muzzle velocity.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
"The number stated is misconstrued and out of context. The hourly rate is not the marginal cost of operating the plane—it is an accounting figure that prices in a number of fixed costs from maintaining the Air Force fleet for this kind of plane over a year. For example, it includes estimated replacement parts, depreciation, repairs, and costs that would have been incurred regardless of this flight,"

You stupid libs can't have it both ways. You force government to report costs this way and then complain when it's used?

This is the real reason we had "$400 hammers" those whiny libs lied about. They were only $400 because the "law" Congress passed forcing this kind of cost reporting. That $400 for a hammer included the average cost of running an entire ship or plane, etc.

Live by the lies, die by the lies.

44 posted on 10/05/2011 4:30:22 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Romney as president will just destroy the country slower than Obama.)
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To: surrey

And she dodged bullets in Kosovo or somewhere over there.


45 posted on 10/05/2011 4:31:21 PM PDT by jch10 (I stand with Sarah Palin.....and Herman Cain)
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To: dead

Please cite exactly what was illegal about Iraq. Not your opinion but the actual law that was broken.


46 posted on 10/05/2011 4:32:51 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Romney as president will just destroy the country slower than Obama.)
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To: jch10

Time to change my tagline....


47 posted on 10/05/2011 4:32:55 PM PDT by jch10 (I stand with Herman Cain)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
The hourly rate is not the marginal cost of operating the plane—it is an accounting figure that prices in a number of fixed costs from maintaining the Air Force fleet for this kind of plane over a year. For example, it includes estimated replacement parts, depreciation, repairs, and costs that would have been incurred regardless of this flight," said an official.

This excuse by the White House makes no sense. That is the way you are supposed to calculate hourly cost. If you strip out those costs you are left with only fuel cost.

48 posted on 10/05/2011 4:45:28 PM PDT by SunTzuWu
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To: Chode
didn't the silly cow list her spawn as Assistants or Aides or some such????

They were listed as "Senior Staff".

49 posted on 10/05/2011 4:47:35 PM PDT by SunTzuWu
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To: SunTzuWu
thank you... make the silly fat cow pay for her fraud
50 posted on 10/05/2011 5:26:13 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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