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May, 2010 poll: Texans want to end in-state tuition benefits for illegal aliens
Texas Tribune ^ | Ross Ramsey

Posted on 10/06/2011 9:04:37 AM PDT by dangus

Texas allows the children of undocumented immigrants to attend state colleges and universities at the in-state rate — a lower tuition rate than that paid by out-of-state and documented foreign students. Asked if illegal and undocumented immigrants should be treated as in-state students, 77 percent say no (67 percent strongly approve of ending that deal) and only 17 percent say it should continue...

More than half (58 percent) say they would support an end to bilingual education in Texas public schools. Attempts to put an "English-only" amendment into the Texas Constitution have failed for years, getting bogged down in the Legislature before ever being put to a public vote, but 68 percent of the registered voters in the UT/Tribune poll favor the idea — 56 percent of them strongly.

(Excerpt) Read more at texastribune.org ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: amnestyno; bobmcdonnell; draftbobmcdonnell; heartless; perry
Perry's been justifying his strong support for giving illegal aliens tuition benefits which are denied non-Texan Americans by pointing out that so many Republican legislators voted for it, implying broad support of Texans. But is this really an indication of broad support from Texans, or a demonstration of how thoroughly corrupt and non-responsive the Texas legislature is? This poll shows that these tuition benefits were deeply unpopular; maybe that's why Perry has struggles getting 50% in this deeply red state.

Also of note: Texans also strongly disapprove of Texas' "bilingual education" program. I wonder how many would disapprove of it if it were named for what it really is: "Spanish-only instruction segregated classrooms." To read how bad "bilingual education" is, and how it is responsible for Texas' miserable school ratings, read this report: http://www.texaspolicy.com/pdf/2009-09-RR01-bilingual-rossell.pdf

Vote against the Gore groupie.

1 posted on 10/06/2011 9:04:45 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

so, not only has Rick Perry imploded his campaign to be President, he may also have jeopardized his future viability as Texas Governor. Brilliant!


2 posted on 10/06/2011 9:09:00 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: dangus

It is a matter of time people will want direct referendum and not rely on their reps who could be lobbied, and brought off by the Powers to Be.


3 posted on 10/06/2011 9:09:34 AM PDT by Fee
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To: dangus

Don’t have a heart it seems.


4 posted on 10/06/2011 9:09:50 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (My opinion doesn't really matter until March 13th anyway.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
so, not only has Rick Perry imploded his campaign to be President, he may also have jeopardized his future viability as Texas Governor. Brilliant!

And the Perry sycophants were saying they love in-state tuition for illegals...obviously they aren't in step with the residents of Texas..

5 posted on 10/06/2011 9:12:37 AM PDT by Niteflyr ("The number one goal in life is to parent yourself" Carl Jung)
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To: dangus
This is definitely a Perry headache.

I happen to be a former Texan and a grad of a Texas public university.

But after many years and Texas' skyrocketing tuition (when I went to college, the costs were about $12 per semester hour per semester)--and having some kids who wanted to consider going to Texas...it was unaffordable compared to in-state tuition from my own state.

So, here I am, a Texas expat, a legacy from a Texas college, who cannot get in-state tuition for my law-abiding AMERICAN children. Then he calls me "heartless." Shades of (Laura) Bush saying I was just prejudiced against "brown people" for wanting our borders protected. (I always will believe that the Bush's insolent treatment of conservatives came from the Bush women who are too lazy to clean up after their Scotty dogs and their Springer Spaniels, so they need an army of illegals to clean up after them.)

This had better be overcome, Perry, and a lot of money won't fix it.

Right now, Cain's able.

6 posted on 10/06/2011 9:12:37 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: dangus

A repeal would never get past Speaker Strauss.

Win the Republican Primary for State, Strauss puts six figures in your campaign account. More, if needed.


7 posted on 10/06/2011 9:13:53 AM PDT by ziravan (You don't have to be a rocket scientist to be President...but it helps.)
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To: dangus

The stars at night, are big and bright,
clap clap clap clap
Deep in heartless Texas!


8 posted on 10/06/2011 9:17:12 AM PDT by tumblindice (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: dangus

Any idea how many illegals have actually taken advantage of this policy?


9 posted on 10/06/2011 9:17:59 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: dangus

Adios Senior Perry!!!!!

That leaves Cain as the ONLY REAL conservative standing.


10 posted on 10/06/2011 9:18:43 AM PDT by ZULU (DUMP Obama in 2012)
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To: Mamzelle
I still live in Texas and I don't have a problem with illegal immigrants getting instate...they have lived in and paid taxes in TX for at least three years.

You haven't!

11 posted on 10/06/2011 9:22:16 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: ZULU
That leaves Cain as the ONLY REAL conservative standing.

Cain is running to be Romney's running mate!

12 posted on 10/06/2011 9:24:10 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: lonestar

How do you know they pay taxes? In my experience, they get paid in cash by crooked EMPLOYERS who ought to be deported, too—


13 posted on 10/06/2011 9:31:20 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: dangus

Nice try.....some bullshit poll from a blog.....really the democrats will be proud of you. Lets get mittens vs zero stat!


14 posted on 10/06/2011 9:35:31 AM PDT by Hogblog
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To: dangus
How about the dozen other states with In-State tuition benefits for illegals?

Has California, Connecticut, Illinois, Kansas, Maryland, Nebraska, New Mexico, New York, Oklahoma, Utah, Washington or Wisconsin changed their mind yet?

15 posted on 10/06/2011 9:40:08 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: dangus

Why are Texans so heartless?


16 posted on 10/06/2011 9:41:00 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

But...but...but...what happened to all the Perry supporters to kept telling us that Perry only did what Texans wanted him to do by giving illegals in state tuition?!


17 posted on 10/06/2011 9:43:05 AM PDT by reaganaut (Rick Perry says I'm heartless.)
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To: Mamzelle
How do you know they pay taxes?

Because Texas doesn't fund our government with personal income taxes.

Sales Taxes, Property Taxes and Taxes associated with business are what we use. If you live here and not just under a bridge, you cannot avoid being part of the tax chain. If you are a renter, you rent is going to pay part of the property taxes. If you buy stuff in stores, you are paying state taxes.

18 posted on 10/06/2011 9:43:26 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: dangus

ALL TALK APPARENTLY NO SUBSTANCE.

IF IT’S SUCH A MAJOR ISSUE WHY ISN’T ON THE NOV.8 BALLOT?

http://www.votexas.org/what.html
Election Outlook: Last day to register to vote is Tuesday, October 11, 2011 What’s on the Nov. 8th Constitutional Amendment Election Ballot
What


What’s on the ballot?
As an impartial entity, this website only includes candidate name and political party affiliation information. Political stances with regard to issues are not referenced on this site. Such information can be obtained through Web searches or by visiting a particular candidate’s Web page.

November 8, 2011 Constitutional Amendment Election
•Proclamation (PDF)
•Sample Ballot (PDF)
•Explanatory Statements
•For a more detailed explanation, read the Texas Legislative Council Analysis
•Frequently Asked Questions
Special Election in State Representative, District 14
•Proclamation (PDF)
•Candidates
What’s my district?
Want to know in which congressional district or legislative district you live? This information is located at the bottom of your voter registration certificate. You may also find this information by entering your street address on the Who Represents Me form located on the Texas Legislature Online website. The “Who Represents Me” site shows who represents a person currently through the end of 2012.

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•Republican Party
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Seems that at least ONE of these people would get behind a movement to have it on the ballot. OOPs To Late.

Your Hate Perry montra is dead.


19 posted on 10/06/2011 9:57:25 AM PDT by marty60
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To: dangus

How do you prove that you are illegal? What is keeping people from other states from going to Texas or another like minded state and claiming that they are actually illegal when they really aren’t? How does that work?


20 posted on 10/06/2011 9:57:33 AM PDT by Suz in AZ
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To: Hogblog

The poll was conducted by the University of Texas. And this whole line of bull streaming from the Perry campaign that if you don’t vote for Perry you’re voting for Romney is the lamest crap I’ve ever seen to flood FR.

I’m voting for Cain. Next choice is Gingrich. Then Bachmann. Then Santorum. But you know what, when the chips are down, I’d rather hold my nose and vote for Romney, than that little Gore groupie who loves to volunteer to pick up Fox’s soap.


21 posted on 10/06/2011 10:05:46 AM PDT by dangus
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To: thackney

Funny how people think the only taxes are income taxes.

AND Obama is making things much worse.
At least we don’t have to pay the State income tax.


22 posted on 10/06/2011 10:06:46 AM PDT by marty60
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To: lonestar

Note that the date on the article is 1.5 years ago. Sure, Perry could have vetoed the bill but the veto would have been easily overturned by the same margin it passed. It’s easy to sling mud over the passage of the “Texas Dream Act” but you have to look at the source of the bill....Texas House of Representatives and the Texas Senate.

Well folks, we hear from the FR Perry opposition how weak the governorship of Texas is and your point is well taken. Now consider this...Perry didn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell in stopping the bill.

BTW....Texas State Revenues are back up to pre-recession levels. The Rainy Day Fund is expected to be at USD$7 billion by the next legislative session.


23 posted on 10/06/2011 10:06:48 AM PDT by A_Tradition_Continues (formerly known as Politicalwit ...05/28/98 Class of '98)
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To: lonestar; Mamzelle

>> I still live in Texas and I don’t have a problem with illegal immigrants getting instate...they have lived in and paid taxes in TX for at least three years. <<

I’m going to go way out on a limb and suppose that illegal immigrants rarely pay $100,000 in taxes in three years. And if they’re putting their kids through high school, they probably received more in benefits than they paid, so the fact that they’ve been living in Texas is kind of a lose-lose for Texan taxpayers.

Maybe this is why an incumbent barely got 50% in the 2010 primary, and couldn’t get 40% in the 2006 general election against a Democrat, a commie, and a Jewish satirist.


24 posted on 10/06/2011 10:11:00 AM PDT by dangus
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To: lonestar; Mamzelle

(OK, Kinky Friedman is a very likeable guy... just an odd choice for governor of Texas.)


25 posted on 10/06/2011 10:11:45 AM PDT by dangus
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To: marty60

>> IF IT’S SUCH A MAJOR ISSUE WHY ISN’T ON THE NOV.8 BALLOT? <<

Because Texan ballot initiatives have to be sponsored by two-thirds majorities of the legislature?

From Ballotpedia:

“Texas ballot measures come in just one of the six common varieties: Legislatively-referred constitutional amendment - a proposed constitutional amendment that appears on Texas’s ballot as a ballot measure because the Texas State Legislature voted to put it before the voters. In order for a proposed constitutional amendment to be placed on the ballot, the Texas State Legislature must propose the amendment in a joint resolution of both the Texas State Senate and the Texas House of Representatives. The joint resolution can originate in either the House or the Senate. The resolution must be adopted by a vote of at least two-thirds of the membership of each house of the legislature. That amounts to a minimum of 100 votes in the House of Representatives and 21 votes in the Senate.”


We all notice the way you attempted to lead someone to presume that Texas allows voter initiatives, when Texas doesn’t.


26 posted on 10/06/2011 10:18:58 AM PDT by dangus
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To: A_Tradition_Continues

I doubt very much the Perry Haters have even peeked at the Nov 8 2011 Ballot.

Trying to blame Perry for their own failings. (they voted their reps and sen. into office)

Don’t blame Perry if you didn’t bother to ask the candidates if they supported in-state tuition.

How much you want to bet the Colleges and Universities were behind this. Must check that.


27 posted on 10/06/2011 10:19:19 AM PDT by marty60
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To: A_Tradition_Continues

>> Note that the date on the article is 1.5 years ago. Sure, Perry could have vetoed the bill but the veto would have been easily overturned by the same margin it passed. <<

Another example of deceit by implication. You imply that Perry only allowed it to be made law, because the legislature had a veto-proof super-majority. You failed to mention that Perry busted balls to make sure that it passed by that super-majority, or that Perry could have simply pointed out that the legislation contradicts the spirit and letter of the 1996 Immigration Reform Act. A simple executive order (Perry loves those!) could easily have nullified the bill, finding the bill to be illegal.


28 posted on 10/06/2011 10:22:58 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Mamzelle
They pay sales taxes and they pay rent on houses that property taxes are paid on.

Meanwhile, back in the "projects," government housing, you will find the people who are living off the taxpayers...free housing, welfare, food stamps. These are the very same people who you can't give a job because they don't want one. To get a "pay raise," they have another baby.

There is no man paying child support...they are also living in gov't housing and drawing welfare...or SSI which is the biggest ripoff currently.

I don't like illegal immigration and am not defending it...have participated in "English Only" groups, etc., but...

People who do yard maintenance and roofers have to depend on illegals...they can't hire welfare-recipient-Americans who don't want a job!

We have a very nice new nursing home in town and they had to postpone the opening because they couldn't hire enough people to open. We have 16% unemployment in town.

Illegal immigrants don't take jobs away from the freeloaders...and would be working in the nursing home if they were allowed to apply.

I live in a small town where it's obvious...it's so bad you wouldn't believe it. I don't think our town is unique but being small, we see what gets lost in a city.

29 posted on 10/06/2011 10:23:19 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: dangus
You do realize the University of Texas is “THE LIBERAL BASTION” of Texas don't you? Obviously you know nothing about Texas or Rick Perry for that matter......
30 posted on 10/06/2011 10:25:58 AM PDT by Hogblog
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To: dangus

Oh no I didn’t. You mean a petition to the Reps is meaningless. No Texans VOTE FOR their REPS And SEN. Don’t blame Perry if you didn’t bother to ask your candidate how he felt about in-state tuition.

Amazing how you all try to shift the responsibility for the in-state tuition isssue. YOU VOTED for the Leg and Sen that voted it into LAW OVERWHELMINGLY. Take responsibility.


31 posted on 10/06/2011 10:32:14 AM PDT by marty60
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To: dangus
As a Texas native, and long time resident, with a son attending the University of Texas at Austin, I have a few thoughts about this issue.

First, academic admission to the top tier colleges in Texas is a challenge. For some of the schools it is arguably as difficult as achieving admission to one of the Ivy League schools.

The admissions requirements alone, tend to reduce the supposed attractiveness of in state tuition for children who are not documented.

Secondly, Texas in-state tuition and out-of-state tuition compare favorably to other schools in the nation. It is certainly cheaper for a student from an Ivy League state to attend college at a top school in Texas than it is for a Texas student to attend an Ivy League college. Data is available here: http://www.kiplinger.com/tools/colleges/

So, Texas is not treating students from other states any differently, and in fact more favorably, than those states treat Texas students.

As for undocumented students. Here are the requirements: a student is allowed to pay in-state tuition if he has attended high school in Texas for 36 consecutive months, has graduated from a Texas high school, and, in the case of an undocumented student, signs an affidavit saying he will apply for legal status as soon as he is legally able to do so.

So what does that mean in practice?

Two examples from my son’s friends might be illustrative.

The first was a young man whose mother was born from American citizen parents living in Canada. She lived in Canada, where she met a Swede. They married and bore a son while living in Canada. The parents divorced, and the mother and son moved to Texas, where she obtained US citizenship.

She applied for citizenship for her son when she was allowed to do so. The application was tied up in the US bureaucracy for years.

The son graduated high school and was accepted for admission to a Texas college, where he was eligible for in-state tuition. He was an “affidavit” student, in fact an illegal alien.

Subsequently, his application for US citizenship was denied. He left Texas and moved to Canada, where he obtained Canadian citizenship. He now is attending college in Canada at a lower cost than the in-state tuition in Texas. So much for the supposed lure of Texas in-state tuition. After graduation, he will apply for work visa in the US, as he wants to return to his family home.

The second young man is the son of a family from Malaysia.

His father was transferred to Texas by a major oil company under a US work permit. They lived in Texas for a number of years, and the son attended public school here.

During the last year of high school, the father was transferred back to Malaysia.

The son elected to complete his high school education here with his classmates, at that point he was an illegal alien.

He met the academic requirements and was accepted by a college in Texas. He applied for a student visa.

He met the residency requirements. While waiting on the student visa, he was an “affidavit student” at a Texas college paying in-state tuition. Subsequently, his student visa was granted and he is now working on a master’s degree. He also will apply for a work visa when that becomes an option.

Interestingly, while I know of the history of these two classmates of my son, I do not know of a single example that those of you from outside Texas must envision when you think of “in-state tuition for illegals.”

My son attended a very large high school in the Houston area, so one would think that among his friends, there should have been an example. There just is not, although many of his friends are from other countries.

So based on our family’s experience, I think that many of the “affidavit” students must have circumstances similar to my son’s friends. That being the case, the current law seems to treat them and the state of Texas fairly.

32 posted on 10/06/2011 10:36:40 AM PDT by LOC1 (Let's pick the best, not settle for a compromise.)
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To: dangus; Mamzelle
I’m going to go way out on a limb and suppose that illegal immigrants rarely pay $100,000 in taxes in three years.

You must be a disciple for Mitt Romney...using his figures.

How many illegal immigrants do you think can meet the academic criteria and are 4-year students at UT?...which is where the $100,000 figure comes from...as you know!

As you probably know, most illegals attend community colleges near their home and save about $2000 in instate tuition.

You're less than honest...or ignorant...or both.

33 posted on 10/06/2011 10:37:03 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: lonestar

>> People who do yard maintenance and roofers have to depend on illegals...they can’t hire welfare-recipient-Americans who don’t want a job! We have a very nice new nursing home in town and they had to postpone the opening because they couldn’t hire enough people to open. We have 16% unemployment in town. <<

Oh, whatsamatter? The nursing home couldn’t hire people for $34 a day take home with no benefits to work alongside those kindly folk who mutter under their breath that cousin Pedro knows how to get rid of those gringos and n*****s?

You’re right, let’s bankrupt America, destroy our civilization and anyone pour in here so we don’t have to offer $42 a day, or hire someone who knows how to speak English to be a foreman.


34 posted on 10/06/2011 10:42:34 AM PDT by dangus
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To: lonestar

>> You must be a disciple for Mitt Romney...using his figures. <<

Oh, darn, you got me! I forgot that I could only access the UT tuition page because I was logged onto my computer using the Romney campaign’s password-protected login. These darn password key chains!

There’s what, about 300,000,000 Americans? I’m supporting, in order of preference:
1. Cain
2. Gingrich
3. Bachmann
4. Santorum
511. Johnson
23,619. Romney
169,481,611. Perry
297,416,913. Pinch Sulzberger
299,999,998. Obama


36 posted on 10/06/2011 10:58:45 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

37 posted on 10/06/2011 11:06:13 AM PDT by AdamBomb
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To: lonestar

Hardly.

They are aeons apart on many issues and Cain, unlike Romney, wasn’t born with a silver spoon in his mouth and didn’t make a living shipping American Jobs overseas and closing down American businesses.


38 posted on 10/06/2011 11:06:44 AM PDT by ZULU (DUMP Obama in 2012)
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To: lonestar

Hardly.

They are aeons apart on many issues and Cain, unlike Romney, wasn’t born with a silver spoon in his mouth and didn’t make a living shipping American Jobs overseas and closing down American businesses.


39 posted on 10/06/2011 11:07:00 AM PDT by ZULU (DUMP Obama in 2012)
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To: dangus
You’re right, let’s bankrupt America, destroy our civilization and anyone pour in here so we don’t have to offer $42 a day, or hire someone who knows how to speak English to be a foreman

What do you think is a "fair" hourly wage to entice people with no work skills to take a job?

You really are sounding more & more like a lib.

40 posted on 10/06/2011 11:11:23 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: ZULU
Hardly.

Are you calling Cain a liar?

He supported Romney in 2008 and made the VP comment recently.

41 posted on 10/06/2011 11:35:11 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: dangus
Now, to be fair, Perry and his fans yap alot about "States Rights!!!" They never talk about the right of invididual citizens. In fact, they seem to ignore that part of the 10th amendment. Hmmm.
42 posted on 10/06/2011 11:56:43 AM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: dangus

Now, to be fair, Perry and his fans yap alot about “States Rights!!!” They never talk about the right of individual citizens. In fact, they seem to ignore that part of the 10th amendment. Hmmm.


43 posted on 10/06/2011 11:57:20 AM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: lonestar

WELL, after Duncan Hunter dropped out and it was really HIM or that idiot McCain, I voted for Romney. And I don’t want to be vice-president!

That was THEN and this is NOW.

My first choice would be Bachmann or Cain. Neither one has the illegal alien issue around their necks. Not a big issue with me at present, but apparently a hair trigger one with MANY Americans. Bachmann has disappeared. My Second Choice WOULD have been Perry, but he did so poorly in the debates so far, that that makes me think Romney is the only viable alternative after Cain - ONCE AGAIN. If he gets it, it will be a nonimation by default and the GOP Establishment RINOs will have succeeded in forcing another choice between Obama and a RINO.

So what’s YOUR solution?


44 posted on 10/06/2011 12:07:54 PM PDT by ZULU (DUMP Obama in 2012)
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To: lonestar

>> What do you think is a “fair” hourly wage to entice people with no work skills to take a job? <<

Whatever the local job market will support. YOU’RE the one looking for a government program to supply you with an artificial, imported labor force.

But seriously, with 20 million unemployed Americans, do you really think that there’s no-one out there whose labor would be worth $42 a day, no benefits? You’re sounding more and more like a Chinese slave-driver.


45 posted on 10/06/2011 12:31:17 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus
My point is you can't give local unskilled workers a job because they are making a living off taxpayers.

Don't expect a "thank you" note for supporting them because they don't appreciate what you are helping to pay for. They are entitled...

You are not any smarter than they are!

46 posted on 10/06/2011 12:40:01 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: lonestar

You’re point might have been reasonable when the unemployment rate was 4%. With 60 million unemployed people, the vast majority of whom were working when there were jobs to be had, your assertion that all the jobless are lazy welfare frauds is outrageous, hateful and bigoted.

But let’s imagine you were actually right. Do you import millions more unskilled workers to solve that problem? No, you get business owners to demand a change in the welfare policies.

But you know what else? Even unskilled laborers deserve more than $34 a day. If you can’t even acknowledge that, you’re one hell of a sick freak.

What’s lame about “fair wages” and “living wages” is the notion that some bureaucrat can decide what’s fair. The market decides. But if you game the market by importing workers, that’s not free enterprise; that’s tyranny.


47 posted on 10/06/2011 2:26:32 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus
your assertion that all the jobless are lazy welfare frauds

You know that is not what I said.

My assertion is: 99% of welfare recipients are lazy welfare frauds and you can't give them a job because they are dependents of the government...and are happy that way.

BTW, as you know, after Katrina they went to the Sugar Dome and expected to be taken care of. Then, they went to TX and other states to be taken care of.

Meanwhile, back in NOLA, illegal immigrants moved in to do construction jobs!

48 posted on 10/06/2011 3:12:41 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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