Posted on 10/07/2011 6:15:40 AM PDT by Kaslin
I read this without knowing who the author was, came to the end and said, “That must be Pat Buchanan”.
I’m with PJB on this one. But it’s very hard if not impossible to get the GOP nomination with this sort of thinking.
“A second truth is emerging. When the cutting comes, as it shall, the Pentagon will be first to ascend the scaffold.
Why so?”
Because the gutless GOP did not hold firm and agreed to automatic cuts if some BS supercommittee could not agree on a plan?
Mike
That’s why they call the game “chicken”. Both sides will chicken out and swerve at the last moment. The GOP won’t want defense cut and the Dems won’t want to lose social spending. So they’ll just meet late on Thanksgiving Eve and repeal the whole thing by voice vote. And the spending spree will roll merrily along.
Obama already got what he wanted out of the deal anyway, the debt ceiling can kicked down the road past next November.
It will be a long process, but I suspect that the active-duty Army will become a cadre force similar to that of the 1930’s. This is the historical role filled by the US regulars.
The Marine Corps? I suspect that they will survive, but maybe not in the form of a multi-division force.
The Navy will fight to maintain a large force structure and their main competitor for budgetary funding will be the USAF. I expect that large-deck aircraft carriers will go the way of the dinosaur over the next 20 years as the Navy looks to do more with its LHA/LHD platforms and unmanned drones.
It’s all about $$$’s and mission. There will be sudden sharp shifts, like plate tectonics.
Instead of the Pentagon taking it up the... first, how about the 1/3 of Federal Government “workers”, who just bend paperclips all day, get to go seek their fortunes in the private sector?
Note: Yes, some of those will be civilian employees of the DOD. But, if they have such great experience working for the Federal Government, I’m sure they will have NO problem securing great jobs in private industry. Hehe.../s
Same old 19th-century paleocon drivel.
How's your Chinese, Pat? You'll be learning it at gunpoint, if you take your own advice.
Running home crying to Mama doesn't mean they won't come after you and all the way into the house. They will. Arabs, Mexicans, Chinese -- they all want a piece of us.
Man up, Buchanan, and meet your responsibilities to the household.
If we don't fix that problem here, they'll get us anyway, and without a fight. I'm for developing resources here and letting various parts of the world melt down as a way to remind those who invested in manufacturing abroad that to do so is "too risky." Returning that manufacturing base to the US is an essential step in national defense. Our supply lines are way too long as it is.
“The Republican House cannot agree to tax increases without risking retribution from the base and repudiation by its presidential candidates. All have pledged to oppose even a dollar in tax hikes for 10 dollars in spending cuts.”
Hey, Pat - it saddens me that you didn’t say, “will not agree to tax increases BECAUSE REJECTING TAX INCREASES IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO”.
God, I hate politicians.
Colonel, USAFR
Wrong model, wrong history. The Army was cut to nothing by cheeseparing, tax-cut-loving Harding and Coolidge Republicans (the Dems can plead out innocent on that one). The Navy was barely kept afloat, the Marine Corps was tiny, and US troops and marines trained with wooden guns and sacks of flour dropped from airplanes.
That's why we lost the Philippines, even after almost two years of bulking-up and calling up the Reserves and National Guard outfits.
We don't want to go back there. Especially since we know, ever since World War II, that every unpleasantry we've faced has been a "come-as-you-are war" with the exception of Vietnam. FDR was the last President to enjoy the luxury of time to prepare even halfway for a really big war.
The Armed Forces are already drastically drawn down from Gulf War levels, thanks to cutting by both Bushes, Clinton, and now Obozo. This time, it's LBJ's vote-buying programs that will have to eat it, and that means throwing the 'Rats out of office and out of power, and going in there and doing what is necessary. Only this time, we can't let McQueeg stab us in the back like he did Bush 43, when Bush tried to reform and de-politicize Social Security.
Well, that's a thought. Although I think you're mistaken in the larger sense, to think that really big disturbances and instability overseas somehow works to our advantage. If anything, we depend more than ever on the Navy to protect trading sea lanes and to prevent other countries from enforcing LOST and huge seabed territorial grabs, claims of exclusivity (the Chinese have declared the South China and Yellow Seas and Formosa Strait all to be mare clausum -- we just violated their defi with a CBG transit [the Vinson or the Stennis, I forget which], tho' the Media pretended not to notice), water-column and fisheries claims, and so on.
Tax hikes would do tremendous further damage to the COUNTRY, too, Patrick. But saying so doesn't allow you to rail about political parties, so...
Close the bases, and bring the troops home.
The same with South Korea and Japan. Now that Mao is dead and gone and China is capitalist, Seoul and Tokyo trade more with Beijing than they do with us.
South Korea has 40 times the economy and twice the population of North Korea. Japan's economy is almost as large as China's. Why cannot these two powerful and prosperous nations provide the troops, planes, ships and missiles to defend themselves? We can sell them whatever they need.
Why is their defense still our responsibility?
In the Persian Gulf we have a strategic interest: oil. But the oil-rich nations of the region have an even greater interest in selling their oil than we do in buying it. For, without oil sales, the Gulf has little the world needs or wants.
Let the world look out for itself for a while. Time to start looking out for America and Americans first. For if we don't, who will?
AMEN! Sometimes Pat really nails it.
No Pat. Pax Americana has not yet begun. It starts in Nov 2012.
IMO, we should be making a few territorial seabed grabs of our own. Treating them as a commons has been a disaster environmentally. Seabed mining is very expensive and there are increasing substitutes for what were once thought irreplaceable elemental resources. There are also hazards that would be very difficult to mitigate. Meanwhile, a lot of the rationale for that maritime mining effort has originated because of environmental exclusions on land that need to end.
Moreover, a lot of the problems with maritime wildlife productivity originate because we allow other countries to extract at will as a sweetener for holding our inflated bonds. Many of the agencies supposedly dedicated to protecting maritime wildlife actually have a demonstrable interest in failure. Those two combine into an ugly picture.
That said, I'm talking a larger principle here: Natural Law competition. America has been propping up socialism for nearly 100 years, especially during the Roosevelt era. The cost of doing so has abetted its metastacizing on our shores. If Europe had paid for its defense, would the left be citing it as such a model to emulate? Yet the big gains we have made against socialism were when we allowed it to fail by unshackling ourselves, particularly because the rest of the world saw it fail. Reagan deregulated the oil market and cut back on regulatory suppression and the resulting fall in oil prices collapsed Soviet cash flow. Yet if we prop up socialism, as the EU has done in Greece, look what happened to Greece. It is exactly analogous to how welfare destroyed the black family.
On the domestic side, that "Pax Americana" has operated as a subsidy by which to export American jobs and technology. The beneficiaries do not pay for that protection. Those who developed that technology in expectation of continued employment bear that exclusive and disproportionate burden of paying taxes to subsidize the export of their jobs. The extremely wealthy use tax-exempt "charitable" foundations to fund said green groups lawyers to sue a complicit agency for control of the resource by which to improve the tax-sheltered returns on their foreign investments. So you can see that said "Pax Americana" is more than just a financial burden.
I'm not talking about a complete withdrawal, but I promise you: Letting Europe for example defend itself would wake those babies up in a hurry. "Nation-building" was a success there and in Japan, but it backfires way too often as we move down the cultural ladder to the point that it is an exercise in futility in an Islamic country, central Asia (but I repeat myself), or in most of Africa. We should have stomped Iraq and gone home. Had Iran attacked them, stomp them too, quickly and cheaply, and then go home ala Barbary Pirates. They will learn how to act very quickly. I frankly think that the world would accelerate faster toward peace and civility with a better example of leadership.
... so I take it that you disagree with Pat Buchanan’s basic premise?
There are no Philippines to defend. Taiwan is on its own, as is Japan. The Gulf nations will have to work out their own defenses as our ability to intervene diminishes.
That’s the way I see it.
China is not capitalist, at least not in our sense. They are effectively a fascist one-party state. And they are not our friends. Pat wants to cede all of Asia to them, in the hope that he won't have to contest anything.
Then get ready to meet the Chinese in mid-Pacific, basing themselves on the Philippines and the old Mandate island groups, and slug it out for the ownership of Hawaii, and all the Pacific trade routes, including those to South America. And the Panama Canal, of course.
Think that won't happen? We're talking power-projection politics here, and the fate of nations. When the elephants fight, whiny little Paulbots get crushed into the dirt.
They've already served notice that WestPac is theirs, btw, or did you miss that little sotto voce release from an Official newspaper?
Luckily for us, they're willing to share the central Pacific with us ..... for a while.
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