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To: BenKenobi

I’m not understanding how producers would “switch” to gas and food... For instance, my husband is a machinist - are you suggesting that his employer would find some way to produce gas or food and abandon his profitable business?

I do understand the forces of supply and demand, and I understand what you are saying about demand of those two commodities being inflexible.

I guess I just have to educate myself a lot more on our tax structure as is, and how Cain’s plan would work. I’m VERY much open to it - just not educated enough on the details, and I think I’m pretty typical of the kind of people that will have to be sold on the sales tax portion of the plan. That’s the only downfall I see with the plan (besides making sure there are strict rules regarding any future increases). Average folks who are not particularly educated regarding our tax system might not look further than thinking about paying an extra 9cents per dollar on everything they buy. With the increases in costs over the last couple years it could be a bit of a hard sell. Plus, you KNOW the Dems are going to bring up the poor and how this will likely be a hardship on them (particularly in places where food is not already taxed). I’m just trying to look ahead and understand so that I can educate others who may be worried about the same things.


186 posted on 10/12/2011 6:27:08 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: LibertyRocks
I’m pretty typical of the kind of people that will have to be sold on the sales tax portion of the plan.

I'll try and break it down for you. If you are familiar with the FairTax, his proposal is somewhat similar in principle:

Much of the cost you pay now on any good or service is 'embedded' tax that the producer has to pay.

If all duties and taxes except the 9% tax on what the business must pay to produce that good or service is eliminated, the embedded taxes that are a part of the prices you pay now are no longer a factor

EVERY business can once again set the price point on it's product/service to be competitive based on how efficient they are, with the cost of taxes they have to pay to produce being much less of a factor at 9%.

The prices of goods will most likely drop as businesses will have an edge to COMPETE based on their efficiency in producing/providing that good/service.

The 9% federal sales tax you pay will more than likely end up evening out the cost of that good/service to a price point similar (if not less) than the one you paid before.

Not to mention the extra 6.5% more income Americans will be able to keep in their pockets with the payroll tax reduction to 9%, meaning more buying power across the board.

Granted this is a bit of a simplification, and there are other state-by-state cost issues that will have to be worked out. But I hope this gives you a primer.

I'm behind Cain 100%. And you know my views pretty well ;)Personally, I don't think he shouldn't call it 9-9-9. He should call it Win-Win-Win.
189 posted on 10/12/2011 8:44:09 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: LibertyRocks

Probably not your husband’s employer, but other businesses would. There would also be more of an incentive to produce more food and gas than what is demanded. Which is a problem. You want the producers to match as close to demand as possible, to maximize their profits.

If you are going to do a tax like this, the least distorting way to do it is to do it across the board, no exemptions for ‘favoured businesses’. That’s a time word democrat strategy, impose taxes on everyone else, but find some way to protect yourself so that you can evade them altogether. That way, not only do you benefit from the exemption, you get a competitive benefit over those who are taxed.

Yes, they will cry hue over the poor, etc. They will argue for a ‘rebate’, which is just another way to redistribute wealth away from productive folks, and more jobs for the liberals. Watch when it becomes a serious possibility, you will see articles that we have to do it this way, “for the chilluns”.

Is a sales tax ideal? No, but it’s a much better tax than income tax. The money goes directly into your account, and you can manage how much tax you pay at any one time by controlling your purchases. It’s also a transparant system that is fair, because everyone pays.


201 posted on 10/13/2011 11:24:25 AM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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