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Small Weapons for Light Fighters
Defense Update ^ | 10/12/2011

Posted on 10/12/2011 9:15:11 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

Small Weapons for Light Fighters

In the recent weapon test campaign AT-6 completed firing of 2.75” unguided rockets, conducted captive carry test with guided 2.75" rockets and dropped general purpose bombs, four GBU-12, and four GBU-58 laser guided bombs (LGB - above), all LGBs scored direct hits. Additional tests are planned with other weapon types including Raytheon Griffin 35-lb. GPS/laser-guided bomb and Hellfire guided missile from Lockheed martin..

Under the U.S. Air National Guard evaluation of a future Light Attack and Armed Reconnaissance (LAAR) to be operated by the U.S. and Afghan air forces, the Air Force is seeking a low cost, light fighter capable of flying at altitudes up to 30,000 ft. above sea level, with a range up to 900 nautical miles, and mission endurance of six hours.

LAAR is positioned as an affordable, advanced training, light attack and armed reconnaissance aircraft that could meet the U.S. government plans to equip under-developed governments with effective aerial recce and attack capabilities necessary for combatting insurgency and drug trafficking. While providing effective, precision attack and real-time recce, the aircraft should affordable to own and operate and be able to operate from austere fields. Deliveries of such aircraft would often be considered as ‘training aircraft’, while combat operations could be flown by local trainees or,when necessary, by their foreign ‘trainers’, assisting government counter-insurgency operations.

As part of these evaluations the Brazilian Embraer A-29 Super Tucano and Hawker Beechcraft Defense Company (HBDC) AT-6 are undergoing weapon qualification and operational evaluation Currently undergoing operational assessment by the Air National Guard/Air Force Reserve Test Center (AATC), toward a final selection next month. Embraer has prepared its position in the U.S. by teaming with the California based

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; coin; embraer; hawkerbeechcraft

1 posted on 10/12/2011 9:15:13 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Any word on engine teardown intervals? Obviously a turboprop.... do they just stick a 5 inch scope in an inspection port every 100 hours?

If the maintenance side is as impressive as the capabilities, I'm for it.

/johnny

2 posted on 10/12/2011 9:24:56 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Unfortunately, our war fighters are forced to wait while Beech plays a game of catch up. There was a unit ready to deploy last year in the Super T until the Kansas congressional contingent put a stop to it.


3 posted on 10/12/2011 9:31:09 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

They should redeploy the 50 mm cannon on fighter/bombers which McNamara eliminated. The pilots loved them and they can do the job much cheaper than rockets in many cases. It doesn’t have to be either or, it can be both.


4 posted on 10/12/2011 9:36:43 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: USNBandit
Squids also support this aircraft? Not just zoomies?

As far as congress screwing up a perfectly good weapon system for political reasons, go back to Sec. Stanton, under Lincoln. Or before. Sigh...

I just want our guys on the ground to have good support. I hate that the AF hates the A-10, and that is part of the reason I think (most of the time) that the USAF should be the USAAF again. I despise the fighter mafia.

They could screw up a wet... anyway.... politicians are rarely correct.

/johnny

5 posted on 10/12/2011 9:39:37 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

With these drones...any need for pilots these days? That is non-key board pilots.


6 posted on 10/12/2011 9:39:37 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: WKUHilltopper
That's a piloted vehicle. One of the best for the current situations we're seeing. We have F-15s for air superiority and intercept, F-16s for CAP and some intercepts, BUFFs for making large holes in terrain (with 18 bombs, a B-52 can make a big-ass golf course in just seconds). And some other aircraft like the A-10 that is good for those minor things like close support with a bad-ass cannon and a forever hang time.

This AC would be great for what we face today.

Not very sexy for Mach 1+ pilots, but they do work for us.

/johnny

7 posted on 10/12/2011 9:45:34 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: WKUHilltopper

Yes. because some day we may have to fight where people have effective jammer equipment.

I have wondered what a large spark gap transmitter would do to the data link to a drone. Its brutally low tech but it hits almost all bands and is well dirt cheap to build.


8 posted on 10/12/2011 9:46:12 PM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: JRandomFreeper

The deployment plan was a mixed units from the two services.


9 posted on 10/12/2011 9:48:10 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
They should redeploy the 50 mm cannon on fighter/bombers which McNamara eliminated.

Ooo... I just remembered I need to check my blood pressure, because when I saw Mc's name, I saw red.

He was a one person cluster f***.

He's still alive, last I heard. I'll dance and sing when he rolls snake eyes.

/johnny

10 posted on 10/12/2011 9:48:52 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: Bidimus1
I have wondered what a large spark gap transmitter would do to the data link to a drone.

Not much. I won't go into details, but really, not much. I've got an arcing insulator out on the street near me (that the electric company won't change, 20db over S9), and I have electronics to get around that listening to faint morse code from South Africa. And my gear is commercial crap.

/johnny

11 posted on 10/12/2011 9:54:21 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I just got erased for two sentences.


12 posted on 10/12/2011 9:56:17 PM PDT by allmost
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To: USNBandit
Navy and AF mixed units... What could possibly go wrong? ;)

/johnny

13 posted on 10/12/2011 9:56:27 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: Bidimus1

Generally digital signals are broad band and redundant. The spark gap hits all bands, but not all bands at once. Noise would affect a few 10s of bits per seconds, but if you are sending out 10,000 bits a second, and you have cyclic redundancy checks to both detect and correct any errors, you mostly can ignore the jammer.

If they put 10,000 spark jammers out there, they would be likely to hit the same bits multiple times, rather than just hit the ones they missed. Further, a jammer is a beacon. If you broadcast vs. the US, you may have a loud noise coming your way.


14 posted on 10/12/2011 10:10:05 PM PDT by donmeaker (e is trancendental)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Both aircraft run PT-6’s I believe and the version I work on has a 400hr borescope interval, with the bore scope being 5mm in diamater - the video scopes work great. As for tear down our hot section inspection is every 2500hrs and every 4000 hrs the engine is pulled for overhaul.


15 posted on 10/12/2011 10:29:02 PM PDT by lowflyn (Im nobody, just ask a liberal)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Nope, McN died Jul 06, 2009.


16 posted on 10/12/2011 10:30:26 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Madoff screwed the rich. Bernanke screwed us all.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

These planes represent progress outlined from Stage II to Stage III in the State Dept document “Freedom From War” Publication 5277.


17 posted on 10/12/2011 10:48:06 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: lowflyn
That's lots of sorties for every maintenance hour.

It's sounding better and better.

How long does the 100 hour maintenance take?

/johnny

18 posted on 10/12/2011 10:59:35 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
I missed that.

I'll have a belated party later today for the event.

/johnny

19 posted on 10/12/2011 11:01:14 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: donmeaker

I understand frame relay etc...

and yes jammers draw attention !

But I dont think Harm/Alarm/Sidearm/Standard could focus on it. but LGB / Iron / cluster could do the job.


20 posted on 10/13/2011 12:17:43 AM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: sukhoi-30mki
All that is old is new again.

Douglas A-1 Skyraider

21 posted on 10/13/2011 4:05:07 AM PDT by SnuffaBolshevik ("The trouble with internet quotations is that you don't know if they are true"-Abraham Lincoln.)
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To: USNBandit

“War Fighters”?
What yuppie, never been in combat before idiot, made up that term?
What was wrong with servicemen or just GIs?


22 posted on 10/13/2011 4:34:37 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Defeat Obama. End Obama's War On Freedom.)
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To: donmeaker

lol...


23 posted on 10/13/2011 4:51:08 AM PDT by sit-rep
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To: BuffaloJack

Sorry, why don’t we call them end users. The guys that need the plane for combat operations right now have to wait so Beech can get its collective feces in one sock.


24 posted on 10/13/2011 9:15:14 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: JRandomFreeper

depends on the manufacturer, I work on Pilatus and our mini takes 2 shifts, a phase 5 about 3 days. 6 minis and 6 phases are spread over 1200hrs of flight or 1 year. The military can adjust things if they need to since they are not limited to following the FAA rules


25 posted on 10/13/2011 3:28:56 PM PDT by lowflyn (Im nobody, just ask a liberal)
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To: lowflyn
That's still a pretty light touch for an aircraft with those capabilities.

Compared to say, an F-4 Phantom. That dog took over an hour of maintenance per flight hour.

And they are much cheaper, as well. And meet the needs of the task at hand.

/johnny

26 posted on 10/13/2011 3:39:11 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: SnuffaBolshevik
All that is old is new again.

The Douglas did yoeman's work during VN. But it was a radial. And you had a whole lot less engine automation with it, than you do a turboprop that can sip the JP-4.

Reduced workload on the new ACs is a big plus, in my book.

/johnny

27 posted on 10/13/2011 3:43:02 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Give the warfighters what they need and get the politicians out of the way.


28 posted on 10/13/2011 5:00:27 PM PDT by lowflyn (Im nobody, just ask a liberal)
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To: lowflyn
I'd love to, and our guys deserve it. I worry more about the grunts on the ground, being supported, than the zoomies doing the supporting. I know AF Pilots, they'll be ok, their ego protects them. ;)

But we do have to put up with the politicos (политрук) because they are part of our world.

And in the US, civilian politicians control the military.

Personally, I think they would be better used decorating lamp posts in city streets, but we're not there yet.

/johnny

29 posted on 10/13/2011 5:33:54 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I find it amazing that the military can say “this is exactly what we need and now” and the politicians can force feet dragging because the item is not made in his district. Save lives first, help your constituants second in this case.
This aircraft is some thing the air force would love to have to support the troops, and if this is to sell to other countries ie Afganistan, then who cares were it is built.


30 posted on 10/13/2011 5:38:50 PM PDT by lowflyn (Im nobody, just ask a liberal)
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