Posted on 10/13/2011 9:02:34 AM PDT by dangus
When his wife tells him it's over. Apparently she pushed him into this.
The only matchup that matters is who will beat Obama.
Thanks. After dealing with idiots like the wife of a particular city in Ohio, and someone who can’t see clairly enough to spell, I missed the sarcasm. You can’t parody some people.
(And yes, I do know of a certain ancient Roman legislator.)
Care to see how much money and organization Cain has if he even comes in SECOND in IA??? This would be the Dems’ worst nightmare. A black conservative. Put in Newt as veep. Wow.
>> The only matchup that matters is who will beat Obama. <<
I’d caution against that logic. There’s no point electing someone who would just make Republicans responsible for failed, liberal policies. But even putting that aside, there’s no way of detecting who’d do best against Obama.
Case in point: one poll finds Romney leading Obama 48-45, but Cain losing to Obama 34-33. (There was a similar poll, but I’m not sure if I’ve got those numbers exactly correct; the point is for illustration only.) Are we better off with a candidate whom 45% of the public prefers Obama to, or with someone who hasn’t yet won over everyone who is angry at Obama, but plainly has the charisma, boldness, and, yes, real-world experience to do so in the future?
Vote for the best guy, not the most electable. If he actually wins, he’s probably electable enough. Don’t try to guess the minds of the people who haven’t made up their minds yet.
I like the suggestion of Newt as Chief of Staff. That person has far more power than the VP over actual policy, unless the President dies... and his personal failures are none of anyone’s business, because the President maintains full responsibility.
“After dealing with idiots like the wife of a particular city in Ohio, and someone who can’t see clairly enough to spell,”
ummm. What?? LOL
I never heard that.
I'm not sold on Herman Cain. I have real concerns about his 999 tax reform plan and his Chilean plan to reform SocSec. I see them as gimmicks to hoodwink supporters. His call to install a Greenspan clone at the FedReserve and his questionable position on abortion stand out. The fact he has no elected, governing or legislative experience is a major negative against him. Just like it was for Ross Perot. Cain also has little money and no organization to speak of. Romney has had 4 years to build a formidable organization and since he is the establishment candidate, most of the big bucks are flowing his way.
I'm sure there are a bunch of conservatives who think the same way. Not ready to jump on the Cain bandwagon. Far from it. But in the end, we must beat back Romney any way we can.
On the primaries. Larry Sabato has a plan that would give all primaries equal billing on a rotating basis each Presidential general election period, every 4 years. Sounds like a pretty good idea. Which means it will go nowhere.
Cain said that he would pick Romney as his VP at the 9/22/11 Debate. In 2008, Cain endorsed the Liberal Romney instead Conservatives Hunter, Thompson and Keyes.
Another take-away message: If Cain dropped out, many of his supporters would switch to Romney. Am I reading that right?
>> Cain said that he would pick Romney as his VP at the 9/22/11 Debate. <<
No, he didn’t. Quite the opposite, he JOKED about considering Romney if Romney would adopt his economic policies. It seems everyone there got the joke, except you.
>> In 2008, Cain endorsed the Liberal Romney instead Conservatives Hunter, Thompson and Keyes. <<
Thompson was only running to siphon votes away from any conservative. Hunter and Keyes were only polling at less than one percent at the time, the Tad McCotter and Gary Johnson of that cycle. The choice was between McCain, Romney, Huckabee, Giuliani. Cain made clear that his endorsement of Romney was because Romney had the best chance of beating the Manchurian Candidate. Personally, I thought it was a mistake. By the time I was able to vote, I held my nose and voted for Huckabee. But selecting Romney over McCain, Huckabee and Giuliani hardly establishes one as a liberal.
>> Another take-away message: If Cain dropped out, many of his supporters would switch to Romney. Am I reading that right? <<
PPP asked who people who vote for as second choice. Despite an unreasonably small survey sample (I suspect it was 2 for Gary Johnson), they published these. Cain’s supporters would go to undecided, Gingrich and Romney, IIRC. But again, the sample size is only one fourth of an already small sample size. But given a choice of only Perry and Romney, yes, Cain’s supporters would pick Romney over Perry.
Don’t forget, Cain dropping out would do more than just push Cain’s totals to another candidate; It’d also affect who people thought was most winnable.
It will be interesting to see if money begins to flow to Cain. If it is going to come, it should be coming now. I have no idea if it is, or not.
But I do feel the need to correct some of your assertions about Cain. Most importantly, Cain absolutely is solidly prolife. He pleaded with the Susan B Anthony List to modify one of their fourth litmus tests, so he could make the pledge with integrity. SBAL asked candidates whether they would pass the fetal pain bill. Cain correctly responded that while he would heartedly push for such a bill, he could not "pledge" the actions of others: Congress would have to send the bill to his desk. He can influence Congress, but he cannot pass a bill without their support.
And Perot was winning in 1992, until he dropped out and claimed that it was because the CIA and space aliens colluded to destroy his daughter's marriage!
And I don't agree with your dismissal of Greenspan as an economist. I believe he made a very bad mistake interpreting the rise of the price of oil during the Persian Gulf crises, or that he actually had it in for both Bushes. These actions triggered two small, brief recessions. But exceptionally low interest rates, criticized as "cheap money" was the right call in the late 1990s, when we were paying down our debt. Bernanke is trying to do very similar things, but when we are building more debt faster than the government can print money. So I don't blame Greenspan for the Bernanke depression like many other critics of the federal reserve do.
(Again, I actually don't like the federal reserve, because it can manipulate the electorate by precipitating recessions. I'd much rather see taxation policies, and, even better, deregulation used as an economic accelerator than the manipulation of money markets and banking. Unfortunately, Ron Paul is the only one who agrees, and he is a flaming nut job.)
Well The Chilean model has been praised alot longer than Herman Cain has been known.
Nearly 30 years ago, on the very day Ronald Reagan was sworn in as U.S. president, Chile became the first nation to privatize its social security system. Three decades hence, it has surpassed all expectations.
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/557939/201012271907/The-Chilean-Model.aspx
>> For now, I believe that Cain is in this to help Romney and I’ll believe it until I see some evidence to the contrary. <<
You mean like polls showing that he is hurting Romney?
>> Why is it that Cain praises Romney and says he’d be is VP, but not Perry’s? <<
Because Romney is a conservative who pretended to be a liberal so he could get elected in Massachusetts, but Perry is a liberal Gore groupie who pretended to be a conservative so he could get elected in Texas? Actually, Cain has made very clear that Perry’s support of illegal immigration is why he could not be Perry’s VP.
>> It will be interesting to see if money begins to flow to Cain. If it is going to come, it should be coming now. <<
I’m not sure if it’s really like the surge of money that Perry has received from the Bush machine, but his staff said at the end of September that they were getting several hundred thousand dollars per day since the debate that destroyed Perry’s hope of getting elected dog-catcher (my words, not theirs). Unfortunately, I believe we’ll have to wait until almost February when the 4th quarter results are published to know.
Hmmm. Good idea.
Cause it’s not true.
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