Gingrich seeks middle path on immigration

Orange County Register ^ | Oct. 13, 2011 | Martin Wisckol

[Pelham]

Newt Gingrich called for a middle path on immigration reform

[TomGuy]

Attrition through enforcement works.

A look at the result in the several states with new, tough laws proves that point.

We have seen several recent threads of the overt absence of illegals in Alabama, for example. When Georgia instituted their new laws, many illegals fled to more open states, such as North Carolina.

As has been posted a thousand times:

Enforcement works. Enforce the existing laws and the problem would soon be reduced to a minimum.

[VU4G10]

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[muawiyah]

An awful lot of the pro-illegal crowd love their lawn boys and cheap tarts.

South Park covered that problem the other night quite effectively.

Now, do we need to purge them from Conservatism or from Crypto Fascism? I don't think they're Conservatives but they post here ~ and are just not as open about their true leanings as they were years ago when we used to bounce them for referencing a couple of particularly nasty websites.

[Vaduz]

limited amnesty = Hell no

[Pelham]

“Anyone who believes it is even remotely feasible to round up and deport 20 million illegal aliens is smoking some pretty potent crack. The cost alone of what you suggest is would probably be greater than any burden illegals place on all of our social services combined.”

Of course President Eisenhower accomplished exactly that task, no crack needed.

What gets left out of criticisms like yours is that when Ike made it clear that illegals were going to be deported they began packing up and leaving on their own.

If we wanted to hasten the process we would enact asset forfeiture penalties on those working here illegally.

“It would be much more fun to rant and rave about deporting them all and placing a Berlin Wall type border fence complete with machine gun nests to prevent more illegals from entering, but it is simply not plausible or possible.”

Fun if you’re trying to smear those who are concerned about the problem I suppose.

[Norm Lenhart]

Point to ponder from a related post of mine a while back...

I have a hard time imagining what goes through a person’s mind that they are willing to sacrifice their reputations and integrity just to support Illegal aliens and politicians who support illegal aliens. Say the words below out loud and think about how absurd they sound.

“America put men on the moon in the 60s, Live in outer space, built cities full of towers of steel concrete and glass, some over 1000 feet high, split the atom and can drill for oil in 13,000 feet of water, but we cannot make a fence with a couple pipes, reservoirs and animal-sized holes in it.”

Beam me up Scotty, Earth has little intelligent life left on it.

[jnsun]

I've gone through the logistics several times on FR. The numbers are not actually "enormous" ~ and can be handled easily.

Not only are the physical logistics realistic, but self-deportation is obvious; "they" got here by van, railroad car, foot, tunnels, etc. they can, and will, certainly return by van, railroad, car, foot, tunnels, etc.

Those who claim the impossibility of deportation are simply either rationalizing their own bias, or trying to sound informed.

In my Physics class I demonstrate every semester how one supercomputer (750 mips) can identify and roam over every single individual (300 million) in the United States every fifteen seconds.

The big thing is think of how a comprehensive identification and action on illegal invaders, with of course a simultaneous public appreciation of legal civil immigration and behavior, would reinvigorate the nation. It would again value the American legal taxpayer. It would clarify and spit in the face of the elitists, who do indeed control the politics of our government.

To me the failure to act on illegal immigration is by far the most blatant demonstration of the corruption and cronyism of the US federal government.

Johnny Suntrade

[Norm Lenhart]

“An awful lot of the pro-illegal crowd love their lawn boys and cheap tarts.”

Oh hell, there’s a “history professor” from Texas haunting the Perry threads who had no problem on FR openly discussed the illegals fixing her roof (saving her a couple grand if I remember correctly) and gets real upset that people here have a problem with that.

Amazing how fast integrity and ‘conservatism’ fly away when $$$ is involved.

[Sudetenland]

Yeah, right. You wake me up when you get a majority in both Houses of Congress to pass that sort of immigration bill and a President who is willing to sign it.

Puke if you wish, what I said about getting it achieved is the truth. Until the American people grow concerned enough about illegal immigration to elect a clear majority of legislators willing to pass real, restrictive, immigration laws and a President who will sign such legislation, what is being espoused by most on this thread falls into the realm of "pipe dreams."

Do a poll, look at any poll and see where illegal immigration falls on the list of priorities of the electorate. Guaranteed it will be 4th or 5th on the list. After the economy, after jobs, after education--and depending on international events--after national defense.

There is not enough courage in all of Washington D.C. to come close to doing what you want. There is--maybe--just enough courage to do what Gingrich is advocating.

We've been making the same arguments and fighting the same battle for 4 decades, and the problem is worse today than it ever has been. You think you are going to reverse that? I have seen absolutely no evidence of that. Maybe it will happen, but I doubt it. The American people don't have the stomach for it.

[Pelham]

“Yes, Newt, I was wrong. I should have said kick every illegal out along with any politician who panders to them.”

lol! But what country would be willing to take Newt?

[Norm Lenhart]

“There is not enough courage in all of Washington D.C. to come close to doing what you want.”

Then is it not up to us to ELECT those with the courage to do it?

[GrannyAnn]

what Texas is doing in bringing the children of illegals into the mainstream is the best path; educate them, get them onto the path of citizenship and make them a productive part of our society.

This is exactly the hopes of the parents and will be the never ending draw for millions more. There should never be a reward for breaking the law.

I support the Dream Act if, and only if, the parents are deported immediately and can never return and the kid can’t sponsor ANY relative, ever.

[Sudetenland]

You are right, "Operation Wetback" was a rousing success, but you can't even mention the name in public today. You really believe that the American people would back that sort of action today? You really believe the courts would allow Ike's solution today? Seriously?

Anyone who attempted anything close to "Operation Wetback" would be slammed with so many lawsuits and court actions that it would paralyze our entire government and with the judges and justices we have sitting in our courts, a large percentage of those actions would be affirmed.

As for your "smearing" comment; no such thing. I include myself in that group a few years ago, until I really took a serious, close up look at the problem and what could actually be achieved in Congress. Reality is a hard dollar and what we wish would happen and what is possible are frequently not the same thing. Get used to disappointment if you aren't aware of that.

[Sudetenland]

What you assert is a red-herring. No one is illegally immigrating into America for benefits like the Texas Dream Act, they are coming for one reason only—jobs. If you believe it is for any other reason, you are fooling yourself.

[Will88]

. You wake me up when you get a majority in both Houses of Congress to pass that sort of immigration bill and a President who is willing to sign it.

Do you live on another planet? No new laws are necessary. There are plenty of laws on the books concerning illegal immigration. What's missing has been and is a president and executive branch that follows and enforces the laws concerning illegal immigration. We've had the opposite of that since 1986 when the Simpson-Mazzoli amnesty was passed. We got the amnesty and are still waiting on the strict enforcement.

We even had a law that required 700 miles of double-fencing along parts of the border, but Bush used one ruse after another to avoid implementing that law.

And the American people want the laws enforced, but it's difficult to weed out all the politicians and bureaucrats who spent the past 25 years pandering and making sure the laws were not enforced.

[Sudetenland]

"This is the same BS that comes from the mouths of Obama, McCain, and Gutierrez."

Guess what, you are right. It is also "the same BS that comes from the mouths of" Bachmann, Cain, Santorum, Romney, Palin, Christie, Gingrich, Perry, Paul, and Huntsman. Maybe not in those same words, but show me anywhere that anyone who is currently seeking the Presidency has advocated what you advocate.

[GOPJ]

There is NO middle ground. We can’t afford to take in the third world...

[muawiyah]

A number of the folks supporting amnesty have a girlfriend, or two, maybe 30, 40 of 'em ~ and it has them worried that they might lose that access to sex.

I think Newt's wife should talk to him about this generalized problem.

[muawiyah]

The Texicans fessed up and admitted they have 12,000 illegal aliens in their colleges and universities receiving subsidized in-state tuition rates.

That's far too many chilluns brought up from Mexico for it to have not been well thought out.

[TexasFreeper2009]

wow,

I thought Newt was pretty smart, but I guess he wasn’t paying attention to what caused Perry to implode.

There went Newt’s chances.

It’s Cain or nothing it seems now.