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"Grenade-walking" part of "Gunwalker" scandal
CBS Early Show ^ | 14 October, 2011 | Sharyl Attkisson

Posted on 10/14/2011 8:18:51 AM PDT by brityank

"Grenade-walking" part of "Gunwalker" scandal

(CBS News) There's a new twist in the government's "gunwalking" scandal involving an even more dangerous weapon: grenades.

CBS News investigative correspondent Sharyl Attkisson, who has reported on this story from the beginning, said on "The Early Show" that the investigation into the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF)'s so-called "Fast and Furious" operation branches out to a case involving grenades. Sources tell her a suspect was left to traffic and manufacture them for Mexican drug cartels.

Police say Jean Baptiste Kingery, a U.S. citizen, was a veritable grenade machine. He's accused of smuggling parts for as many as 2,000 grenades into Mexico for killer drug cartels -- sometimes under the direct watch of U.S. law enforcement.

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Grenades are weapons-of-choice for the cartels. An attack on Aug. 25 in a Monterrey, Mexico casino killed 53 people.

Sources tell CBS News that, in January 2010, ATF had Kingery under surveillance after he bought about 50 grenade bodies and headed to Mexico. But they say prosecutors wouldn't agree to make a case. So, as ATF agents looked on, Kingery and the grenade parts crossed the border -- and simply disappeared.

Six months later, Kingery allegedly got caught leaving the U.S. for Mexico with 114 disassembled grenades in a tire. One ATF agent told investigators he literally begged prosecutors to keep Kingery in custody this time, fearing he was supplying narco-terrorists, but was again ordered to let Kingery go.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atf; attkisson; banglist; cartels; castaway; cia; clinton; dea; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; ffgrenade; grenade; grenades; grenadewalker; gunrunner; gunwalker; hillary; hillaryclinton; holder; ice; kingery; obama; statedept
How much American and Mexican blood does our DOJ, DEA, ATF, FBI, CIA, et al have on its hands?
1 posted on 10/14/2011 8:18:57 AM PDT by brityank
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To: Joe Brower; Travis McGee; Nachum; MestaMachine; marktwain; deks

Ping to folks from other thread.


2 posted on 10/14/2011 8:21:20 AM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: brityank

If true, this is an EXPLOSIVE revelation! LOL.


3 posted on 10/14/2011 8:22:12 AM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: brityank
"Don't worry, we're still working for gun control, but we have to do it under the radar."


4 posted on 10/14/2011 8:26:42 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Great work of art. Says it all.


5 posted on 10/14/2011 8:28:49 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: brityank
I didn't think this thing could get much worse.

I was wrong.

6 posted on 10/14/2011 8:29:00 AM PDT by Gritty (Judicial evidence is an archaic bourgeois detail - Ernesto "Che" Guevara)
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To: brityank

Since everybody wants to believe F&F was about more gun control, if we follow that logic then this means they want more grenade control.

What’s coming next, more RPG control?


7 posted on 10/14/2011 8:32:01 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: 2harddrive
This is unbelievable. I wonder if this is all she has or is she waiting to throw another (figurative) Grenade. When I watched her interviewed last week I believe she she implied she had a few different pieces of unreported information that she was vetting.

It will be hard for the other news networks to ignore this, but we shall see!

8 posted on 10/14/2011 8:32:12 AM PDT by bt-99 ("Get off my Lawn")
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To: bt-99

When grenades are outlawed, only outlaws will have grenades....

How true...


9 posted on 10/14/2011 8:35:09 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: brityank
Six months later, Kingery allegedly got caught leaving the U.S. for Mexico with 114 disassembled grenades in a tire. One ATF agent told investigators he literally begged prosecutors to keep Kingery in custody this time, fearing he was supplying narco-terrorists, but was again ordered to let Kingery go.

Unreal. Grenades? Sort of makes me wonder what the grand plan was after all? Couldn't push more gun control on the evidence of US made grenades being found down in Mexico. What in the hell were they up to?

Mexico needs to prosecute Holder and put him in a Mexican jail.

10 posted on 10/14/2011 8:42:31 AM PDT by arkady_renko (I want to believe.)
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To: bt-99

Wow!!!!!


11 posted on 10/14/2011 8:42:43 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
"None dare call it treason", as the saying goes...

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

12 posted on 10/14/2011 8:44:09 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: brityank
Grenades too!? To the narco-terrorists!? Apparently our government is moving fast and furious to destabilize the Mexican government.

I wonder who will be the first to state that that is an act of war against a sovereign state.

If the 0bama administration would go to these lengths to abrogate our 2nd amendment rights, they will go to any lengths to stay in power.

The only problem they have is 80 million gun owners.

5.56mm

13 posted on 10/14/2011 9:08:32 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Joe Brower; bang_list
Of course WE ALL KNOW that you can get high exposive grenades at gun stores and gun shows....<./sarcasm>

BUT WHAT THEY REALLY WANT TO DO (UNDER THE RADAR) is to ban de-milled grenades and practice grenades since they are somewhat convertable into destructive devices (and a good way of killing yourself if you don't know what you are doing....say, like screwing a Smoke grenade fuse into a grenade assembly):

Anyways, these are what they want banned.

Rember, these are the "grenades" that the UPS carrier saw at the Waco Davidian Compound that initiated an investigation, infiltration, and the ultimate assault by ATF in 1993.

14 posted on 10/14/2011 9:25:57 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (Forget the Lawyers....firIn war, a seven year ost kill the journalists! - Die Ritter, die sagen, nee)
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To: M Kehoe
Grenades too!? To the narco-terrorists!? Apparently our government is moving fast and furious to destabilize the Mexican government.

Either that or perhaps we should consider a simpler explanation. Some very high up people at DOJ and State are directly working for one or more cartels.

The simplest answer is generally correct.

15 posted on 10/14/2011 9:26:19 AM PDT by usurper (Liberals GET OFF MY LAWN)
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To: brityank

In the middle of this there was an executive order that gave more power to Holder to battle international crime.


16 posted on 10/14/2011 9:27:30 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: usurper; bang_list
The simplest answer is generally correct.

The simple answer is this: Fast and Furious, Gunwalker, Wide Receiver had NOT A DAMN THING to do with illegal guns, gun trafficing, Mexican drug cartels, etc.

The ATF operations, steered by the Dept. of "Just US" was and is an attempt to undermine the 2nd Amendment, restrict semi-automatic firearms, surplus military parts/equipment, and military curios (like the practice grenades) in order to ultimately disarm us.

Anyone whom does not see that this was a direct attack on individual liberties is a complete moron.

17 posted on 10/14/2011 9:31:13 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (Forget the Lawyers....firIn war, a seven year ost kill the journalists! - Die Ritter, die sagen, nee)
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To: usurper

Campaign contributions from a loyal supporters?


18 posted on 10/14/2011 9:31:16 AM PDT by boxlunch
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To: M Kehoe; Travis McGee
Grenades too!? To the narco-terrorists!?

Well, if you gave them enough of them, it might slow down illegal immigration. ...

19 posted on 10/14/2011 10:10:01 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: brityank

“Grenade-walking” takes away the excuse that this was a means to get more ‘gun control’ laws...


20 posted on 10/14/2011 10:20:00 AM PDT by GOPJ (Occupy Wall Street Zombies Lastest Chant: 'You Can Have Sex With Animals')
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To: boxlunch
Campaign contributions from a loyal supporters?

Or worse. Lots of 'favors' violent criminals can do other than supply cash...

21 posted on 10/14/2011 10:21:43 AM PDT by GOPJ (Occupy Wall Street Zombies Lastest Chant: 'You Can Have Sex With Animals')
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To: boxlunch
Campaign contributions from a loyal supporters?

Or worse. Lots of 'favors' violent criminals can do other than supply cash...

22 posted on 10/14/2011 10:22:07 AM PDT by GOPJ (Occupy Wall Street Zombies Lastest Chant: 'You Can Have Sex With Animals')
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To: IMR 4350
What’s coming next, more RPG control?

Not next. Here's an article from July 22, 2011.

Worse Than Gunwalker? State Dept. Allegedly Sold Guns to Zetas

Phil Jordan, a former CIA operative and one-time leader of U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration’s El Paso Intelligence Center, claims that the Obama administration is running guns to the violent Zetas cartel through the direct commercial sale of military grade weapons:

Jordan, who served as director of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration’s El Paso Intelligence Center in 1995, said the Zetas have shipped large amounts of weapons purchased in the Dallas area through El Paso.

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“They’ve found anti-aircraft weapons and hand grenades from the Vietnam War era,” Plumlee said. Other weapons found include grenade launchers, assault rifles, handguns and military gear including night-vision goggles and body armor.


23 posted on 10/14/2011 11:19:34 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Travis McGee
One ATF agent told investigators he literally begged prosecutors to keep Kingery in custody this time, fearing he was supplying narco-terrorists, but was again ordered to let Kingery go.

"Agent Kingery, I'm going to remind you that you are still under oath. Now tell me, Agent. Who exactly gave you that order?"

L

24 posted on 10/14/2011 11:47:59 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: TigersEye

Great post..! The grenades, AR’s, etc are a big deal but for the long-term political future getting the “direct commercial sales” to the Zetas is the most important part. Here is why:

That’s a type of arms trade called, FMS, Foreign Military Sales, and it requires quite a great deal of intervention and oversight by the US Department of State —that would get HILLARY, big-time.

There has to be a license issued by the Office of Trade Controls, or DTSA, and if all their documentary ducks are not in a row, then each case is a FELONY for any party in that transfer chain —potentially dozens of people, including Hillary.

We need to make sure she gets dirtied up very well before running against Cain, because it’s going to be just like the Justice Thomas case.

But here’s another thing —Foreign Military Sales FMS is alllllways to a foreign state.

I don’t know of any case that a non-state actor has received US arms via the FMS route, to say nothing of a bloodthirsty group of narcoTerrorists being that non-state actor.


25 posted on 10/14/2011 11:58:19 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: gaijin

I would think it would be hard to get a license to arm organized crime syndicates in foreign countries. That is pretty much analogous to state-sponsored terrorism IMO.


26 posted on 10/14/2011 12:39:20 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: brityank

I have been saying for about two months now that the aim of this illegal act was far more than trying to undermine gun rights. That was just a happy byproduct. The primary desired effect was to destabilize the Mexican government and other governments in the region and cause hundreds of thousands if not millions of refugees to pour across our border, straining OUR resources to the max. The difference between an illegal alien and a refugee is that you cannot summarily deport refugees and refugees are immediately given any government assistance necessary.


27 posted on 10/14/2011 1:04:52 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: IMR 4350
Since everybody wants to believe F&F was about more gun control...

It's not what we "want to bleieve", there just isn't any other logical explanation. The whole idea that it was about "tracking" guns, when there was never any plan at all to track them is ludicrous.

28 posted on 10/14/2011 1:56:47 PM PDT by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: arkady_renko

Anything that made the body count go up would just be included as part of the “problem” of American guns and the cartels. The media would never seperate who was killed by what. Look at how they just swallowed the whole lie about the percentage of “traced guns” to say 85% of “crime guns” in Mexico came from US gun stores.


29 posted on 10/14/2011 2:02:01 PM PDT by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: Hugin

It’s not about tracking guns, and it’s not about gun control.

They were arming somebody up. They intend for those weapons to be used in this country.


30 posted on 10/14/2011 3:29:56 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: TigersEye

I should have known better than to joke about this bunch.

They’re flat ass nuts.


31 posted on 10/14/2011 3:45:01 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350

LOL Yes, they are. Sorry about the kick-back-to-reality response. BUT IT’S TRUE!


32 posted on 10/14/2011 5:31:06 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: IMR 4350
They were arming somebody up. They intend for those weapons to be used in this country.

There's no evidence of that, but there's plenty of evidence of the gun control angle. Starting with both Obama and Hillary holding joint press conferences with their Mexican counterparts to publicize fake "traced guns" statistic and call for new gun control, and up to and including the Obama ATF order on sales of multiple assault weapons in border states.

33 posted on 10/14/2011 5:33:55 PM PDT by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: Hugin
Grenades are already controlled 100%.

What more control could you get?

If it was about gun control they wouldn't be letting grenades walk.

I find it a little hard to believe they would destabilize the Mexican Govt. on the hope of getting gun control legislation passed. A destabilized Mexico works against their argument for more gun control. The more violence there is in Mexico the more people that never thought of owning a gun are buying guns.

If it's about gun control it's not gun control through the legislative process, it would be through an executive order. For that to happen all hell would have to break loose on this side of the border. That would mean gun control isn't the ultimate objective, absolute power is the objective.

34 posted on 10/14/2011 6:55:54 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350
Like I said, as long as the body count goes up, why would they care whether some of them are from grenades? The media won't differentiate, any more than they did between the figures for US guns vs. guns from elsewhere. These cartels can easily buy any kind of weapons they want from around the world, and would have no problem bringing them into Mexico. They bring tons of cocaine in from South America, what are a couple tons of AKs and RPG, or Vietnam era M16s and Laws? But who knows, maybe somebody just told the ATF guys to “let weapons walk”, and never specified “no grenades”. So they let them walk.
35 posted on 10/14/2011 8:15:47 PM PDT by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: brityank

Doesn’t really fit with F&F. Why? Because they can’t add “grenade registration”, since in effect they already have it. They can’t say that gun shops are supplying grenades to the cartels. Although I guess they could blather about components and put more controls on powder, primers and such.


36 posted on 10/14/2011 11:57:33 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Hugin
Like I said, the more violence you get in Mexico the more people that never even considered owning a gun are buying guns.

The more people that never considered owning a gun before that are now buying guns for their own protection, the less likely there will be gun control through the legislative process.

Increasing the violence in Mexico is counterproductive in the argument for more gun control.

Gun control through the legislative process only works if the gun grabbers can stay in office.

The more people that feel it is necessary to own a gun for their own protection, the less likely that is to happen. They will simply vote the gun grabbers out and change the law.

For gun control through the legislative process to work, you have to decrease the threat of violence, not increase it.

37 posted on 10/15/2011 7:01:49 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: usurper
Some very high up people at DOJ and State are directly working for one or more cartels.

Weren't there allegations that the Clinton's were knee deep in coke smuggling when he was still governor of Arkansas? I wouldn't put anything past those low life characters.

Regards,
GtG

38 posted on 10/15/2011 12:40:33 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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