VANITY- Why does GOP "Elite" hate Cain?

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[mkjessup]

The RINOS control Fox, and the MSM will seek to either discredit Cain, or even worse, not cover him at all!

And we saw those despicable tactics used on former Congressman Duncan Hunter in the last election cycle, a man with over a quarter century of experience on the House Armed Services Committee, one of the finest congressional experts on national security, specifically border security, a former U.S. Army Ranger with Vietnam combat experience, one of the original members of the 1980 'Reagan Revolution' and went to Washington WITH Ronald Reagan, this guy coined the phrase 'the Kennedy wing of the Republican Party' and he was right about it then, and he's right about it now.

But he got short shrift and shafted by FOX and the rest of the lamestream media, and I dropped my subscription to FOX after that disgraceful episode and I'll never send those SOBs another dime for as long as I live. Rupert Murdoch can kiss my conservative, Duncan Hunter-lovin' AZZ!

[mkjessup]

The man is a talking and a con-artist just like Obama. The only difference is that Cain is bullshztting the republican party.

Wash your mouth out with soap. There is no comparison between that Kenyan Klown in the White House and Herman Cain. So shut your lyin' piehole, but before you do? Tell us this genius, who is YOUR candidate?

[Marine_Uncle]

Then one could watch say the recent talk Perry gave at a PA steel mill. He was quite articulate on energy programs he would put in place, how he would considerably limit the powers of the EPA, DOE, other departments, how many of the energy programs that could be allowed mostly fossil fuels, integrated with very little restrictions, effect the over all economy, and great loss of jobs in the country. In short he did not stumble once, appeared very articulate. Not once did he stumble on a sentence. I'm not decided on what candidate best fits the bill at this point. A few of them with the right mix of staff and cabinet members could perhaps get us literally back on a better track. Time will tell. In case you where inclined and have the time, the speech he gave is here.

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He's had no political experience, but why is that a bad thing?

If Cain were hiring a CEO for his company, would he really hire someone with no business experience?

A president has to know how to respond when Congress doesn't do as he or she wishes.

Having some political experience makes it easier to get around the roadblocks.

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You're slapping labels and throwing invective against what politicians, representatives, and political leaders have always done and will always do.

Today's Republican Establishment is largely composed of yesterday's conservative insurgents, and today's reformers are tomorrow's Establishment.

Also, the policies you dislike draw supporters from diverse parts of the political spectrum.

You shouldn't be surprised if some of the people you admire have voted or will vote in favor of things you deplore.

[NFHale]

The war for the soul of this country is not between Republicans and Democrats.

It is between Us and the liberal/socialist/communist cabal.

And it has been that way for the better part of a century now.

Republican liberals are WORSE than their Democrat counterparts, because people who only see the “R” will vote for them no matter what.

Conservatives, Patriots, etc., i.e., those of us who resist and reject everything to do with the Left, for the most part form a large part of the Republican base - and the so-called “elites” (they are NOT elite - nothing more than liberal snobs) are constantly trying to wrest control of the party away from us - much the same way as the hardcore communists that now control the democrat party did.

We are at war with these people; like it or not, it IS the way it is, and we damned well better wake up and start fighting them like the war that is.

Or we’ll lose the country, and it will take decades to get it back, if ever. The stakes are that high.

Outsiders, Tea Party folks, “our” people are a HUGE threat to the carefully crafter little conspiracy that the libs have put together. They’re out to crush us.

We should be out to the same, and more, to them.

[sickoflibs]

RE :”Then one could watch say the recent talk Perry gave at a PA steel mill. He was quite articulate on energy programs he would put in place, how he would considerably limit the powers of the EPA, DOE, other departments, how many of the energy programs that could be allowed mostly fossil fuels, integrated with very little restrictions, effect the over all economy, and great loss of jobs in the country.”

The drilling promises are getting quite boring to me. The Palinistas kept saying that is how POTUS Palin would revive the economy in 2013, she has the secret. Then Bachmann made the claim about her drilling would lower $2.00 gas prices. A friend here got mad when I didn't buy it from her. Now Perry.

The problem with this magic solution is that GWB was the most pro-drill president we ever had. He proposed it all the time and couldn't get it past the Senate. In the end with gas prices skyrocketing he worked with Pelosi in 2007 to mandate ethanol and ban light bulbs to get some drilling. Perry doesnt strike me as someone with the power of the 'word' to get public opinion to rally behind getting those things done. People are for drilling but NOT in their own states. It always polls well nationally but as we have seen not as easy to accomplish as talk about.

Perry shot himself in the head in that debate with his ‘You don't have a heart’ reply. Sounds too much like Bush ‘Compassionate Conservatism’. Cain has been making sure he sounds the opposite.

[Marine_Uncle]

"People are for drilling but NOT in their own states."
I wouldn't stake a card game on that one. Where not talking about the goons on the cape that did not want windmills constructed along their pretty shore line. Or some few people say in PA, that with the help of enviro wackos make false claims as how gas extraction is polluting their shallow ground water when the drilling takes place thousands of feet down, just to name a few things.
Moving on. Cain shot himself in the foot with the suggestion he will place a electric fence along the border. Imagine the fun the cartels would have blowing up thousands of parts of it in the years ahead. And his 999 plan does not seem to be gaining much favor. Each candidate has their good points as well as their not so good, or totally lacking. Of course Willard is totally out of the question for consideration. Whatever. It will be a long haul for any candidate to convince enough Americans to consider we really need a big change in the WH.

[sickoflibs]

I dont mean to tell you who to support, or tell anyone. But here is my current thoughts.

Romney is a deal breaker for me.

Perry jumped up in the polls just by joinng in the race. Some friends had been pinging me daily with lots of Perry baggage from day one not looking good. At the same time me not being enthused with Perry I was consistently posting warnings about Romney, and I didnt tolerate Perry is worse than Romney comments. Perry looked like a mixed bag to me but the Dream Act really bothered me after GWB/McCain immigration.

Then Perry shot himself in the head in that debate with the 'have a heart' comment and conservative voters jumped over to Cain. Cain given the spotlight really looks interesting to me. And seeing him take on MSNBC Attack Dog O Donnell really impressed me. Seeing him debate Obama is an exciting prospect for me. The thought of Perry debating Obama scares me. As long as Cain stays high in the polls he will draw more and more fire and we will see what he is really made of.

[Marine_Uncle]

I know you where not suggesting who I vote for. I just wanted to point out the point where Texas, New York, Alabama, both Dakotas, Wyoming, Pennsylvania, Alaska, Utah, etc., with new technology drilling techniques may be all for creating tons of jobs and improved economies in their states, should the regulatory systems that have hampered their efforts for so long be roped in.
Energy production alone as prescribed by the industries involved is only a part of the over all solution in reducing our national debt in the long run, through a new economic boom if it will ever happen where American industries of all types are put back into a position to create jobs, lower the price of goods sold here and abroad, assuming many other things are also in parallel done, such as a law put into effect to force the Federal Government to balance it budgets.
As for people shooting themselves in the head and feet. Can't argue on that point. I watch the stuff real time at CSPAN and other mediums. I was not pitting Herman against Rick. The head aches and foot aches will most likely continue in these debate forums.

[robowombat]

The interests of the middle class are not those of the rich or of the government dependent class and their enablers. The GOP has been since its inception the party of industry and finance. From high tariffs and subsidies to railroads for construction to diligently working behind the scenes to make sure the social costs of employing illegals will be shifted to the tax paying middle class, or to subsidize the export of US jobs the GOP remains the party of Hamilton and the true inventors of crony capitalism in the US. The interests of the middle class may overlap those of the GOP permanent government party but these are alliances of opportunity.

[sickoflibs]

His ideas on energy dont sound any different to me than anything that Bachmann or Cain would try to do if elected. And anyone of the three will run up into opposition.

Now hopefully after Obama and Stimulus/Solyndra stuff there will be less opposition if a Republicans gets in the WH, but voters forget things fast. I was amazed that so many jumped on this green stuff after the Bush/Pelosi ethanol disaster.

[Politicalmom]

He’s a threat to their power. The serfs aren’t supposed to be running things.

[Marine_Uncle]

"I was amazed that so many jumped on this green stuff after the Bush/Pelosi ethanol disaster."
I wasn't. Two much money sitting around the big banks and companies like say GE just to name one want to haul in with the help of the socialist world greenie movements. Not to mention all the investors like Al Gore who want a take as well.

[Marine_Uncle]

SOFL,
Time for me to check out for the evening. Do have a great upcoming day. I have to see what is new at CSPAN, and perhaps wade back through some current in the archives on Senate and House Committee meetings.

[stephenjohnbanker]

” And we saw those despicable tactics used on former Congressman Duncan Hunter in the last election cycle, a man with over a quarter century of experience on the House Armed Services Committee, one of the finest congressional experts on national security, specifically border security, a former U.S. Army Ranger with Vietnam combat experience, one of the original members of the 1980 ‘Reagan Revolution’ and went to Washington WITH Ronald Reagan, this guy coined the phrase ‘the Kennedy wing of the Republican Party’ and he was right about it then, and he’s right about it now.

But he got short shrift and shafted by FOX and the rest of the lamestream media, and I dropped my subscription to FOX after that disgraceful episode and I’ll never send those SOBs another dime for as long as I live. Rupert Murdoch can kiss my conservative, Duncan Hunter-lovin’ AZZ! “

MY SENTIMENTS EXACTLY !

And I quit Fox years ago, when they let the triumverate of PUKENEOS run the show ? Triumverate you ask?

1) Fred (open borders) Barnes

2) Charles Krauthammer (who was absolutely giddy the night Obama won...I watched Fox News that night at an airport, waiting for a flight. I believe the SOB voted for Obama)

3) William Kristol (another NWO open borders traitor)

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From high tariffs and subsidies to railroads for construction to diligently working behind the scenes to make sure the social costs of employing illegals will be shifted to the tax-paying middle class, or to subsidize the export of US jobs the GOP remains the party of Hamilton and the true inventors of crony capitalism in the US.

You could just as soon say: From low tariffs and the use of slave labor in all branches of the economy to diligently working behind the scenes to make sure the social costs of employing illegals will be shifted to the tax paying middle class or to subsidize the export of US jobs or to ensure mass welfare dependency the Democrats remain the part of Jefferson and Calhoun and the true representative of plantation economics in the US. You could make a similar comment about libertarians, especially those who bash Hamilton or Clay or Lincoln the most.

Money talks in politics, whatever the party, whatever the ideology. Libertarians and socialists like to conjure up imaginary systems and imaginary histories where this isn't the case, but that's just delusion.

The interests of the middle class may overlap those of the GOP permanent government party but these are alliances of opportunity.

That is true of any establishment, any party, any ideology. Given a system with as many interests and elites as ours, no party or ideology is going to conform to the interests of the middle class, however you want to define them.

Countries have to be strong to resist foreign invasion and influence. They have to enforce the laws and maintain a system of justice. They also have to have broad-based popular agreement that the government is working in the people's interests. They would do well to develop systems of transportation and communication to tie distant regions together.

What this means is that you are going to have more than a minimal government, and that some libertarian or Jeffersonian utopia would most likely be unsustainable, and less attractive than many people think. Jefferson himself broke with his principles to buy Louisiana and to enforce his embargo, and he left American woefully unprepared for the War of 1812.

But you're looking for a scapegoat, some easily identifiable villain that you can blame all the country's problems on -- the banker in the top hat, the Eastern elitist in striped pants and spats -- even thought today's "Republican establishment" is just yesterday's conservative insurgents after they've had time to settle down in Washington.

I don't especially like the country club Republicans myself, but they're too easy a target, and theories like yours which extend the hatred back through history are neither very accurate historically or very constructive.