[fifedom]

And before I get the mantra of "fence, fence". Look at this - - drug smugglers build tunnels, MANY tunnels

I am surprised you did not trot out the "11 foot ladder" argument too. You know the one where open borders types say that if you build a 10 foot fence the bad guys will use 11 foot ladders.

Well, both are, as they say on the border, caca. No one is saying that we are going to get a 100% seal of the border. But, you ignore several facts.

First, there is a huge difference in the rate of illegal entries between the situation now, even in Texas, and a guarded fence. And this is the difference between the total chaos and lawlessness that we now have and a livable result.

Second, as I stated the fence will also be guarded. Yes, the bad guys can build tunnels but those can be detected and a h*ll of lot less will go through those than just driving or walking across the border like happens now.

Finally, anti-fence types like you need to explain the effectiveness of the Israeli fence, which has effectively stopped the almost daily suicide murderers attacks in Israel.

[Clairity]

Surveillance and “boots on the ground” is what Perry advocates. THAT is what is effective, and if you have that, you don’t need the fence. The fence by itself is not effective, only if it’s “guarded”, as you say. If you guard the border, you don’t need a fence.

The Rio Grande serves as a barrier — some want the US to relinquish it to Mexico, by putting a fence on the US part, denying us to access to the water — how stupid is that?