Raisin' [a Few Issues for the Purpose of Honestly Vetting Herman] Cain!

The American Thinker ^ | October 16, 2011 | Joseph Ashby

[Cincinatus' Wife]

You let me know when I’ve trashed a candidate.

When I’ve trashed their wife.

VS

Posting candidates’ words and deeds in context.

[MHGinTN]

Have I accused you? Why yelp when you claim to not be in the pack where I tossed a stone?

[Dusty Road]

No one brings up Cain’s Enron-like Aquila lawsuit which he was on the board of I guess because of a certain blogger that researched it. But who knows, one day, Cain will not get the kid-glove treatment, we will see more than his good record.

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You might also mention his name was dropped from that lawsuit.

[miss marmelstein]

Absolutely nothing wrong with vetting Herman Cain. But the Perry people are not the ones to do it. They have a dog in this fight - a big, slow-witted dog, admittedly, but a dog nonetheless.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Well, when someone with the “proper credentials” does start vetting Cain please ping me.

[miss marmelstein]

Just as long as it’s not the usual round of apologists for your guy.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Seriously. I’ll just read. I’m interested in “approved” vetting of Herman Cain.

[Principled]

egads if true it’s nonsense.

the same rate for everyone or else it’s hogwash.

[hellinahandcart]

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[TexMom7]

Perry's phase I of his plan is all over his website.

You just haven't bothered looking.

http://www.rickperry.org/

1.2 million jobs

Expand energy exploration offshore and on federal and private lands across the country by executive order, creating over 1.2 million jobs.

Stop Obama’s job-killing EPA

Eliminate current and proposed activist EPA regulations from the Obama administration, saving 2.4 million jobs by 2020 and lowering projected costs by $127 billion

Return authority to the states

Reduce, rebuild, and refocus the EPA federal regulators, returning authority to the states.

Allow a free market

Level the playing field for all energy producers, removing Obama's practice of picking winners and losers and ending the Obama war on coal and natural gas production.

And more.

[TexMom7]

As Center for American Progress Vice President for Economic Policy Michael Ettlinger put it, the plan “would be the biggest tax shift from the wealthy to the middle-class in the history of taxation, ever, anywhere, and it would bankrupt the country.”

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/10/05/336649/cain-999-analysis-deficits/

[TexMom7]

How about Herman Cain himself

Herman Cain doesn't believe in his own Economic Recovery Plan...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1j9EEl4GGw

[Dusty Road]

Something I’ve preached and bitched about for years. All they have to do is turn us loose and get off out backs and out of our pockets. Those of us in the business know how fast we could turn this around, not only do we find and procuce oil but we create tons of jobs in the process. I’ll admit some of the jobs are only temporary such as drilling but many are permanet. I’ve got wells that are over 40 years old and still produceing. With that said I still want an income tax overhaul, I’m tired of getting taxed 3 times on the same money, it just ain’t right!

[TexMom7]

Oh I hear ya!

Same here.

[mikhailovich]

Perry's jobs plan is exactly what we need to jump-start job growth. It baffles me why his detractors kick dirt on the idea of expanding energy and oil exploration to create jobs. People inside this industry will tell you correctly that a bunch of corollary jobs are created. Hotels and lodging, welders, electricians, truck drivers, manufacturing of pipeline materials, machinists, grocery stores, barbers, child care -- in fact, entire micro-economies are created.

Its a win-win for everyone involved.

[palmer]

It baffles me why his detractors kick dirt on the idea of expanding energy and oil exploration to create jobs.

You'll never find me kicking dirt on it and Cain has a more or less similar plan for energy (although 9-9-9 is his higher priority centerpiece). The people who don't like either Cain or Perry are the the ones kicking dirt on it. Behind them is the globalists talking about how America needs to produce less carbon dioxide (i.e. we need to be weakened). That means Romney and Huntsman and probably some others.

[Pigsley]

Just Google Herman Cain right of return and read a few of the links. All boils down to one of his first “big” interviews with Chris Wallace (Fox News)...the question was about the “Palestinian right of return”...what did Cain think about it. He really messed up, IMHO. Just didn't have a clue. I mean, I am a BIG FAN of Mr. Cain, but when he stumbled over this(to me there is only one right opinion...the Palestinians have no RIGHT of return or there will be NO ISRAEL)...that he didn't “get” what Wallace was asking...big red flag. We live in a dangerous world and if I KNOW ABOUT THIS, HE SHOULD.

That said, I'm still a big fan, nobody is perfect...he can hire the best people to inform him of hot spots in the world. However...if he blows another huge international question...he's off my dance card. Hope and pray he doesn't. With what I know of this guy, I'd be proud to have him as my President.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Prices of any thing sold retail that has to cover the expenses of labor used to create it or make it available. That’s a lot of stuff. Tax expenses will go out of the labor, to the tune of the difference between 35% and 9%. This will make it possible for the goods to be sold cheaper and still make ends meet as well as they did before.

The Cain tax may not be a perfect nostrum, but it looks more wise and ingenious than anything our other politicians have offered. Its ultimate fate won’t be up to Cain but up to Congress, so it’s not like electing Cain president automatically means America gets his new tax plan. And that’s as it ought to be. That’s why there’s a Congress, and the president is not an emperor. (Though somebody ought to tell Obama about that.)

[HiTech RedNeck]

Cain fans aren’t among the dirt kickers on that part of the Perry plan. Cain would agree with maybe 95% of Perry’s economic development ideas, except with a revamped tax system on top.

What Cain refuses to do is to open a door that would end up augmenting the Democrat “gimme” base to the point no rival party ever sees the light of day again. That has nothing to do with Perry economic development. That has everything to do with Perry amnesty ideas.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

That has everything to do with Perry amnesty ideas.

Oct 6, 2011 Interviewing Rick Perry On Illegal Immigration

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"I have long been a proponent of strategic fencing because it is a critical component of border security, and it works when used in the right places.

I think what caused the hang up was that after it was passed, it was amended to give Homeland Security complete discretion on how, when and whether the fence ever gets built. Obviously with this president, that means it will never be completed.

If I’m elected, I will direct my Secretary of Homeland Security to expedite construction of strategic fencing along the border, especially in high traffic areas where manpower alone is insufficient to do the job.

But it’s important to remember that fencing is only one component of an overall border security strategy. A fence is only as secure as it is manned.

That’s why I would increase manpower on the border, starting with thousands of National Guard and border patrol agents, and I’d also make greater use of unmanned aerial vehicles to help gather real-time law enforcement intelligence.

We know for a fact that increased manpower is effective, because we’ve proved it in Texas with our $400 million border security effort."

[snip]

The federal DREAM Act is an amnesty bill, and I strongly oppose amnesty. The Texas educational residency bill was vastly different.

Because the federal government has failed in its basic duty to protect our borders, states are forced to deal with illegal immigrant issues.

In Texas, we had to deal with the children of illegal immigrants residing in our state and attending our schools, as the federal government requires states to educate these children through the public school system. Lawmakers in Texas – indisputably one of the most conservative states in America – were virtually unanimous in their decision.

The Legislature determined the payment of in-state college tuition is available to all students who have lived in Texas for at least three years and graduated from a public high school. If you meet those requirements, you pay in-state tuition, whether you relocated from Oklahoma, Idaho, Canada or Mexico. The only difference is that Texas residents who aren’t documented must be on the path to pursue U.S. citizenship to be allowed to pay in-state tuition.

There were a number of reasons the bill received widespread support among conservatives. Importantly, it has never had a cost to Texas taxpayers. In fact, our institutions of higher learning would actually lose tens of millions of dollars in lost tuition payments if the law were repealed.

And it would lower the odds that these students would receive subsidized health care or end up in prison. Protecting taxpayers was a serious concern, given that a Supreme Court decree already requires taxpayers to pay for K-12 education for undocumented students.

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