Posted on 10/18/2011 10:42:54 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
Here is what the Perry people fail to understand.
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Fully 69% of Americans in the latest IBD/TIPP poll say they don’t favor states giving in-state college tuition to illegal residents while charging higher fees for legal, out-of-state residents. Just 22% support such a policy. 73% of Republicans are opposed vs. 20% in favor.
Independents have even stronger views: 74%-15%. Even Democrats are strongly opposed 58%-32%.
In fact, a majority of every major subgroup opposes giving illegals in-state tuition rates — men and women, rich and poor, urban and rural. Hispanics, who have more conflicted views over illegal immigration than is commonly known, are opposed, 54%-28%. Blacks, who often see illegal immigrants as rivals for jobs, are the most opposed, 80%-12%.
I was pointing out the state of Gore at the time, not actually Perry. I don’t know if you are old enough to remember the conversations of what passed for talking heads back then regarding Gore’s need to “go national” and “reveal his true beliefs” in those elections. It was one of those secrets that everyone knew. He was “allowed” to vote that way when it did not matter.
There are plenty of things that disqualify Perry for me, supporting Gore in 1988 is not one of them. Nor does supporting Dims financially in a state where your business is headquartered.
First line of the letter:
“I think your efforts in trying to reform the nation’s health care system are most commendable.”
This is taken from an image of the letter. Though he later goes on to talk about rural folk, the lynchpin of the letter is support for the effort. Perhaps this is not what he meant to say, like calling Conservatives “Heartless”, or conservative legislators “Murderers” because they oppose his view.
A question:
Aside from an LA Times story the day before Perry’s letter was dated, what was the “state of play” of public knowledge on what would be the details of Hillary’s HC reform plan? After that, my second question is, what evidence is there that Perry even knew what the LAT’s stated...which is iffy and vague as to final details...one day before his letter was released??
Unless those questions are addressed with evidence to show that Perry knew Hillary’s plan and therefore supported her plan, all of this being used against him is so much political hogwash.
I go beyond that and call it a deliberate smear.
That a story appeared somewhere, that even itself did not nail down the plan details but was an interim report, does in no way satisfy the need for evidence that Perry even knew about that report, much less knew the actual plan, when the following day his letter was released.
To back up my point, Perry’s letter didn’t say, “I support what your plan says”, he said he welcomed somebody trying to improve or fix what was wrong in healthcare, and his primary point was, rural folks always struggle for healthcare.
Translation: Whatever you do, don’t cause rural clinics and hospitals to close and make it harder for doctors to practice rural medicine...things are bad enough already.
“He gave $250 to Jose Serrano in 1993...
How do you know this guy wasn’t moderate in 1993?”
The Nebraska Dems that Cain contributed to were indeed moderate Democrats, though.
In all, it appears that over the past 20+ years Herman Cain contributed around $3,000 to Democrats, and OVER $350,000 TO REPUBLICANS. Suffice it to say, I am not concerned with Mr. Cain’s political-donation history.
Who's "we?"
“Can Cain be relied upon to nominate a solid conservative to the Supreme Court if there is opening?”
Except the Texas Legislature passed this with nearly 100% of the vote.
And it isn't only Texas, a dozen other states have passed this as well and some with less restrictions than Texas.
“It’s been proven Perry endorsed Gore in 1988 for the primary (was not a part of his campaign) — which Dukakas won because Gore was 2nd amendment, pro-Life, moment of silence, family values guy until he ran with Clinton.”
Gore was generally pro-life in the House (he cast a handful of pro-abortion votes over the years), but within less than a year of joining the Senate in 1985 he was 100% pro-abortion (he did cast a couple of pro-life votes as a first-year Senator).
I don’t have his voting record on guns and other issues, but by 1988 Gore had already abandoned his “conservative Democrat” charade in order to be viable in a national Democrat primary.
Then again, I don’t think that Rick Perry’s support for Gore in the 1988 Democrat primary (before going on to vote for George H.W. Bush in the general) means that he’s a closet liberal, anymore than Herman Cain’s $250 contribution to José Serrano in 1993 means that he’s a closet communist.
Reply to the article instead of pissanting all over the Cain threads. People will be reading these threads looking for guidance as they make up their minds. You and the Palinites do no service to Cain nor to the Tea Party acting the part of a mindless thug.
Your attitude does not represent the Tea Party. My experience is that they are thoughtful people who don't want to be bullied, spun and tricked by the GOP anymore.
“In all, it appears that over the past 20+ years Herman Cain contributed around $3,000 to Democrats, and OVER $350,000 TO REPUBLICANS. Suffice it to say, I am not concerned with Mr. Cain’s political-donation history.”
Thank you for putting that in perspective :-)
It’s always a good idea to the donate to the party in power when you’re in business. That’s just the way the political system works.
Kinda like asking the powers that be to don’t forget to include the rural Texas folks in your plans, huh?
Yes.
I don't think so. Not from what's coming out. He can't be nailed down on anything. And when challenged, it's a "joke." "Can't you take a joke?" How do you know how to gauge someone who does that? It's like being defensive and saying "Sorry!" when you don't mean it.
So you are nothing but a puerile, shallow minded liar.
At what point in his life did Mr.Cain see the light and become a Republican? I would guess he voted for many Dems. And, how does this affect his job as POTUS?
Your new chew-bone. Have fun.
Good question.
And how much does Mr. Cain believe in “social justice?”
I do believe his church does and that he used the term in his book.
It's not 'new', it's been known for years.
You really should stop reading only La Raza Rick Perry propaganda. Advocating for your candidate is understandable and expected. But you make a fool of yourself by ignoring the facts surrounding the reasons why your hero is polling at only 3%. Here's a clue, it isn't my fault or the fault of any other FReeper who hasn't drunk the La Raza Rick Perry Kool-Aid; it's because American do not agree with his pro-ILLEGAL alien record.
Fully 69% of Americans in the latest IBD/TIPP poll say they don’t favor states giving in-state college tuition to ILLEGAL aliens while charging higher fees for legal, out-of-state residents. Just 22% support such a policy. 73% of Republicans are opposed vs. 20% in favor.
Independents have even stronger views: 74%-15%. Even Democrats are strongly opposed 58%-32%.
In fact, a majority of every major subgroup opposes giving ILLEGAL aliens in-state tuition rates — men and women, rich and poor, urban and rural. Hispanics, who have more conflicted views over ILLEGAL immigration than is commonly known, are opposed, 54%-28%. Blacks, who often see illegal immigrants as rivals for jobs, are the most opposed, 80%-12%.
Nearly 3 of 4 Republicans and Independents DO NOT approve of what they heard La Raza Rick defend in the debates. You can discount that all you want, but it is a fact. And while La Raza Rick may appeal to the few FReepers like you who post incessantly about him Americans of all stripes don't want him and have said so.
Think about that and try to conjure up a cogent response.
How does Rick Perry explain Joe Straus??
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