Skip to comments.Anne Frank, a Mormon?
Posted on 10/20/2011 7:24:57 AM PDT by Colofornian
At an appearance at George Washington University...Bill Maher bounded into territory that the news media have been gingerly tiptoeing around.
Magic underwear. Baptizing dead people. Celestial marriages. Private planets. Racism. Polygamy.
By any standard, Mormonism is more ridiculous than any other religion...Its...founded on the idea of polygamy. They call it The Principle. That sounds like The Prime Directive in Star Trek.
He said he expects the Romney crowd...to once more gloss over the differences between Christians and Mormons.
Another famous nonbeliever, Christopher Hitchens, wrote in Slate...about the weird and sinister belief system of the LDS...
Aside from Joseph Smith, whom Hitchens calls a fraud and conjurer well known to the authorities in upstate New York, the writer also wonders about the Mormon practice of amassing archives of the dead...to retrospectively baptize everybody as a convert.
Hitchens noted that they got hold of a list of those put to death by the Nazis Final Solution and began making these massacred Jews into honorary LDS members as well. He called it a crass attempt at mass identity theft from the deceased.
The Mormons even baptized Anne Frank.
It took Ernest Michel, then chairman of the American Gathering of Jewish Holocaust Survivors, three years to get Mormons to agree to stop proxy-baptizing Holocaust victims.
Kent Jackson, the associate dean of religion at Brigham Young University, says that while Mormons are Christians, Mormonism is not part of the Christian family tree.
It probably wont comfort skeptical evangelicals and Catholics to know that Mormons think that while other Christians merely have a portion of the truth, what God revealed to Joseph Smith is the fullness of the truth, as Jackson says...
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
The realities of the Mormon faith will be superimposed as the imprimatur of the entire GOP! The face of Mormonism will be interpreted by the world as ridiculous, weird, racist, fraudulent, sinister, theocratic [baptizing even dead people], superstitious [magic underwear]
If Romney wins the nomination, Republicans will begin to feel the drag-down impact that Mormons have had upon Christianity. The bizarre will be associated with your very identity.
From the article: Magic underwear. Baptizing dead people. Celestial marriages. Private planets. Racism. Polygamy. By any standard, Mormonism is more ridiculous than any other religion...Its...founded on the idea of polygamy. They call it The Principle. That sounds like The Prime Directive in Star Trek. He said he expects the Romney crowd...to once more gloss over the differences between Christians and Mormons.
The glossing-over was ramped up this week in a piece in the Washington Times and another source...where the writers tried the angle of focusing only on theological issues Mormons had in common with Christians while ignoring huge, glaring differences.
The Times writer even redefined Mormon basics as claiming that "salvation comes only through faith in Jesus and baptism in His name" -- ignoring Mormon teachings about the need to save yourself by lifting yourself up by your own bootstraps!
Yup. Thats Mormonism for you. Identity theft of the religious loved ones who have died. And identity theft attempts of Christianity with its attempt to hijack Christian as its own brand name declaring the original Christianity as dead and buried Joseph Smith and generations of Mormons have attempted scorched-earth religio-politics, digging a mass grave for Christianity and attempting to build a new religion on top of our supposed tombstone.
The official doctrinal Mormon name for this is universal apostasy. It just means that they believe all Christian spiritual ancestors went AWOL long ago meaning that you are spiritually illegitimate. Thats right. Lds teaches, in effect, that all Catholics, Protestants and Orthodox are spiritual bastards. Were illigit. Because they believe our authority is lacking.
Yep...that's why Romney must be stopped now.
Kent Jackson, the BYU associate dean of religion, is infamous for trying to put the best spin on describing Christian denominations for one audience [go to the article to say all he said] while in the past. Hes written extensively on the so-called universal apostasy of Christianity going back 27 years for his normal audience of Mormons. What follows is one example where Jackson labels Protestant, Catholic and Orthodox churches as under the umbrella of the church of the devil doesnt that just inspire all you Christian voters to vote for a Mitt Romney whose church teaches that your church is, to cite, Jackson, classified as the church of the devil?
A. BYU professor Kent B. Jackson: "Since whoever does not belong to 'the church of the Lamb of God' belongs to 'the church of the devil,' as Nephi announced then all systems of worship outside of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints would be classified as 'the church of the devil' by Nephi's definition (Kent B. Jackson, "Watch and Remember" etc. from publication By Study and Also by Faith: Essays in Honor of Hugh W. Nibley on the Occasion of His Eightieth Birthday, 3/27/90, vol. 1, p. 87, citing 1 Nephi 14:9-10 from the Book of Mormon)
This could be a good thing, it would be a great way to educate the people in a huge way. The Mormon church has spent years trying to perfect their image but it wouldn't take much to undo that because the truth is damning to them.
I always find if funny when Mormons publicly denounce the FLDS as a cults....
Don’t forget about the Mountain Meadows Massacre on Sept 11, 1857 ...
While he later revisited that concept and discussed works, he ignored how truly self-focused the Mormon concept is of earning your way to godhood. Here's documentation of that:
Many people know of Spencer W. Kimball, the 12th "prophet" of the Lds church (1973-1985), as the man who allowed blacks to become Mormon priests in 1978.
But did you know Mormonism teaches you are all "gods in embryo"??? (And Kimball was one of its key proponents)
Did you know that Mormonism teaches the false "gospel" of self-transformation -- of pulling yourself up by the bootstraps to become a god? (And Kimball was one of its key proponents)
Spencer W. Kimball on these very topics:
1969 "Being a god in embryo with the seeds of godhood neatly tucked away in him, and with the power to become a god eventually, man need not despair...he must...transform himself..." (Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, pp. 173-174)
A couple he was advising in Kimball's office "did not understand that forgiveness is not a thing of days or months or even years but is a matter of intensity of feeling and transformation of self...This couple seemed to have no conception of satisfying the Lord, of paying the total penalties and obtaining a release..." (Ibid, p. 156)
To Kimball, you had to "pay the total penalties" for your sin -- vs. that being a role occupied by the true Jesus Christ.
September, 1974: Man can transform himself and he must. Man has in himself the seeds of godhood, which can germinate and grow and develop. As the acorn becomes the oak, the mortal man becomes a god. It is within his power to lift himself by his very bootstraps from the plane on which he finds himself to the plane on which he should be. It may be a long, hard lift with many obstacles, but it is a real possibility. Source: http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6057 (Spencer W. Kimball speech entitled Be Ye Therefore Perfect 9/17/74 devotional address @ BYU)
1975: Man is created in the image of God. He is a god in embryo. He has the seeds of godhood within him, and he can, if he is normal, pick himself up by his bootstraps and literally move himself from where he is to where he shows he should be." Source: http://emp.byui.edu/marrottr/LovevsLust.pdf, "Love vs. Lust," Spencer W. Kimball, Provo: BYU Publications, 1975
November 1977: Self-mastery, then, is the key, and every person should study his own life, his own desires and wants and cravings, and bring them under control. Man can transform himself and he must. Man has in himself the seeds of godhood, which can germinate and grow and develop. As the acorn becomes the oak, the mortal man becomes a god. It is within his power to lift himself by his very bootstraps from the plane on which he finds himself to the plane on which he should be. It may be a long, hard lift with many obstacles, but it is a real possibility. To be perfect, one can turn to many areas as a starting place....As we have stated before, the way to perfection seems to be a changing of ones lifeto substitute the good for the evil in every case. Source: By President Spencer W. Kimball An address given to students of Weber State College, Ogden, Utah on 4 November 1977 http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&locale=0&sourceId=244ed0640b96b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD
July, 1978 Ensign Magazine: Lds church officially endorses Kimball Weber State College comments by publishing them in their official magazine
This quote also becomes part of Chapter 19 of what Lds officially teach college students in their Institute curricula: See http://institute.lds.org/manuals/doctrines-of-the-gospel-student-manual/doc-gosp-11-20-19.asp
This is in stark contrast to the Christian gospel of the Bible where we are saved thru faith, not works; otherwise we could boast in ourselves, said the apostle Paul. [See Ephesians 2:8-10]. V. 10 addressed the works we do -- that we ourselves are the worksmanship created by God...therefore even in our works, the Ultimate Artist, God, gets the credit and glory for any goodness arising from and through them.
Yes and no. Yes, God could use this to yield a mass exodus of the Mormon religion as its adherents discover more and more of its history and heresy.
But an emphatic "no" in at what cost to our nation? A Romney nomination = an Obama victory. Will the nation be held hostage politically so that some Mormons can be saved?
It’s the Republican Elite’s fault for not recognizing the Mormon Problem, before they anointed Romney as “The One.”
What about all of the poor saps who died before Joey Smith was born, what about them?
WHAT does that mean??
I don’t have a problem with Romney being a mormon.
Too illigit to quit! LOL!
Glenn Beck, on his radio show today, came out really strong against Maureen Dowd and this specific hit piece. He talked about his Mormon faith for some time, and said how disgusted he is with Maurine and tyne NYT putting this garbage out.
Harry Reid and Milt Rominy (it rhymes with hominy, the huskless corn product) are appropriate poster boys for the “And I’m a Mormon” campaign.
He was for Mormonism being a part of Christianity before he was against it.
Do we really need to vote for a guy who wants to be a god of his own planet?
...Sounds like the second coming of Islam. Islam claims that all the prophets of the old testament were really Muslim. They then claim they have the real truth, and then replace the gospel with a earn your way to heaven mentality.
You are right on. If a candidate is a conservative, they will be ridiculed as an idiot by the press. IMHO, this is because they are usually MORE intelligent and informed, and it’s part of the leftist playbook to attack and thus negate conservative areas of strength.
For instance, do we ever hear Bachmann is a tax attorney? Palin is an energy expert who DID have a hostile power on her doorstep as governer of Alaska? That Cain IS a “rocket scientist”?
Mormonism has huge problems, stemming from their belief God is flesh and blood. Huge problems come from small heresies. But the Mormons I know try to live exemplary lives, and value their family above all. That is not part of what disqualifies Romney. But expect huge shows on all the weird aspects of mormonism with charts and “experts” all over the alphabet networks if Romney wins the primary.
Mormons have their own version of "Taqqiya."
If any can be saved. I fear even if the truth is blasted across the nation 24/7 some if not most would go down with the sinking ship than to acknowledge the truth that Mormonism is false. But still, there's part of me that wants to try, even if its only to warn off future converts.....
CZJ — Not Guilty
“The NY Times will run its Mormon exposes’ non-stop!”
Magic underwear, their belief in revelation through a “golden salamander,” and other extreme oddities will make for non-stop ridicule. To this, the Democrats will add the fact that Romney became a billionaire on Wall St., the real cardinal sin for many voters.
The GOP has a death wish if it nominates Romney.
Romney can worship a Golden Calf for all I care, I don’t want him as President.
This is why the true battle is between Cain and Perry. On Super Tuesday, Romney will not win a single Southern state.
Quoting Oprah are we?
Quoting Oprah are we?
Yes it is often termed “lying for the lord” officially denounced but accepted that early leaders did it including j.smith. Another is “Faith promoting” papers etc.
see 1994 speech by D.Oaks
A modern example would be
BYU Anthropology Professor John Clark
“Practices, instruments of war and history in the Book of Mormon are in accordance with Mesoamerican ways,”
Even the most mild investigation of this will show that this statement can not be upheld.
I agree that we are all entitled to our own opinions and view but not our own facts.
“It is a sin to weaken
another man’s faith”
Even if that faith is in error ? Not a very Biblical stand.
More Mormon Mush.
Were mormons as equally disgusted with fellow mormons lying about Christian Seder events?
Save the faux moral outrage for another day.
I'm not sure what your point is. Is evangelism now verboten?
I assume it's wrong for a person of a given faith to weaken another of the same faith. But really, are you claiming it's wrong for a Christian to weaken the faith of a Muslim or vice versa? Or for a Presbyterian to try to bring a Methodist to the Calvinist persuasion?
Or this a more Oriental position, possibly Buddhist?
“It is a sin to weaken
another man’s faith.”
Think about that.
If a person has been deceived by a destructive falsehood, isn’t it an act of love to try to undermine that destructive faith by offering the truth?
The Old Testament Biblical prophets, the New Testament writers and Christ Himself continually sought to undermine faith in falsehoods and strengthen faith in Truth.
The Biblical Scriptures teach that one must trust in Jesus Christ alone for eternal salvation. He is eternal God who became incarnate (without ceasing to be God, He took on Himself true humanity) in order to die on the cross in payment for our sins. (He’s not just a man who attained godhood like we all can supposedly attain godhood. If that’s the “Jesus” one believes in, then one is believing in a false Jesus, not the true Jesus of the Bible.)
As He hung on the cross, our sins were judicially imputed or ascribed to Him. Our sins were poured out on Him and judged by God the Father. Jesus Christ paid the penalty for our sins.
One must accept Jesus Christ’s finished work on the cross (His substitutionary atonement in payment for our sins) as the only way of salvation.
It’s worthless to rely instead on our own works (or a mix of faith and works) to save us.
Then they asked him, What must we do to do the works God requires?
Jesus answered, The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.
2 Corinthians 5:21
For He (God the Father) has made Him (Jesus Christ) to be sin for us (He was judged for our sins, He died as a substitute for us), who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He who believes on him is not condemned: but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
(Jesus Christ said) He who believes in me has everlasting life.
I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.
I give them eternal life and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, no one can snatch them out of my Fathers hand. I and the Father are one.
I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.
Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved...
For by grace you are saved through faith and this is not from you, it is the gift of God. It is not from works, so no one may boast.
1 John 5:11-12
God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
Every one who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.
Blessed are they whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will never count against him.
(Jesus Christ said) I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?
More good Biblical info available here:
You nailed it. I don’t like Romney because he’s a liberal, not because he’s a Mormon.
It’s ironic and sad that freepers are aligning themselves with the violently anti-Christian New York Slimes on this.
The liberals are going after the only serious GOP contender they could possibly beat or go along with their ideas.
#1: For some on the attack, it'll be just a matter of degree. Maher lambasts all religions -- or at least Catholicism, Christianity, Mormonism, etc.
Even for him, By any standard, Mormonism is more ridiculous than any other religion...
#2: Look @ Prop 8. Evangelicals & Mormons & minorities & Roman Catholics especially teamed up to pass that in CA. Who did the libs go after for the most part? Minorities? (Nope; not at all). Evangelicals & Catholics? (Some) Mormons? (Yup)
That's the same "formula" that would carry over
I'm sorry, but these people are going to bash anyone they oppose with any number of illegitimate, twisted and distorted representations of what they support and believe.
Obviously, the MSM distorts & twists all it touches. The thing about Mormonism is that it's so bizarre it won't have to. (And nor does it in this article)
But I doubt it....
It sure seems they truly are the "Stupid Party"
I question a man that can fall for the mormon religion. Of course he was born into it....but he's not a stupid man either. So how could he be so duped???
The left wing media will pull out the long knives on Romney...They will not let up, and it won't be pretty.
Thousands of Christians will be exposed for the first time to what mormon's really believe.
If Romney had any sense...he'd drop out now.
Perversion of Christianity, of God and of Salvation Placemarker
Got a verse to prove that or are you just going to keep repeating it with no proof. We can prove that Mormons are not Christians and will spend eternity in Hell unless they repent, but your stance is decidedly unScriptural. Frankly, it's Universalism.
It is a sin to weaken
another man’s faith
Scripture reference please?????
Christian Scripture. Not the cultic stuff.
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