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Anne Frank, a Mormon?
New York Times ^ | Oct. 18, 2011 | Maureen Dowd

Posted on 10/20/2011 7:24:57 AM PDT by Colofornian

At an appearance at George Washington University...Bill Maher bounded into territory that the news media have been gingerly tiptoeing around.

Magic underwear. Baptizing dead people. Celestial marriages. Private planets. Racism. Polygamy.

“By any standard, Mormonism is more ridiculous than any other religion”...“It’s...founded on the idea of polygamy. They call it The Principle. That sounds like The Prime Directive in ‘Star Trek.’ ”

He said he expects the Romney crowd...to once more “gloss over the differences between Christians and Mormons.”

SNIP

Another famous nonbeliever, Christopher Hitchens, wrote in Slate...about “the weird and sinister belief system of the LDS”...

Aside from Joseph Smith, whom Hitchens calls “a fraud and conjurer well known to the authorities in upstate New York,” the writer also wonders about the Mormon practice of amassing archives of the dead...to “retrospectively ‘baptize’ everybody as a convert.”

Hitchens noted that they “got hold of a list of those put to death by the Nazis’ Final Solution” and “began making these massacred Jews into honorary LDS members as well.” He called it “a crass attempt at mass identity theft from the deceased.”

The Mormons even baptized Anne Frank.

It took Ernest Michel, then chairman of the American Gathering of Jewish Holocaust Survivors, three years to get Mormons to agree to stop proxy-baptizing Holocaust victims.

SNIP

Kent Jackson, the associate dean of religion at Brigham Young University, says that while Mormons are Christians, “Mormonism is not part of the Christian family tree.”

It probably won’t comfort skeptical evangelicals and Catholics to know that Mormons think that while other Christians merely “have a portion of the truth, what God revealed to Joseph Smith is the fullness of the truth,” as Jackson says...

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Example of what will happen if Romney gets the nomination. The NY Times will run its Mormon exposes' non-stop!

The realities of the Mormon faith will be superimposed as the imprimatur of the entire GOP! The face of Mormonism will be interpreted by the world as ridiculous, weird, racist, fraudulent, sinister, theocratic [baptizing even dead people], superstitious [magic underwear]

If Romney wins the nomination, Republicans will begin to feel the drag-down impact that Mormons have had upon Christianity. The bizarre will be associated with your very identity.

From the article: Magic underwear. Baptizing dead people. Celestial marriages. Private planets. Racism. Polygamy. “By any standard, Mormonism is more ridiculous than any other religion”...“It’s...founded on the idea of polygamy. They call it The Principle. That sounds like The Prime Directive in ‘Star Trek.’” He said he expects the Romney crowd...to once more “gloss over the differences between Christians and Mormons.”

The glossing-over was ramped up this week in a piece in the Washington Times and another source...where the writers tried the angle of focusing only on theological issues Mormons had in common with Christians while ignoring huge, glaring differences.

The Times writer even redefined Mormon basics as claiming that "salvation comes only through faith in Jesus and baptism in His name" -- ignoring Mormon teachings about the need to save yourself by lifting yourself up by your own bootstraps!

1 posted on 10/20/2011 7:25:01 AM PDT by Colofornian
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From the article: Hitchens noted that they “got hold of a list of those put to death by the Nazis’ Final Solution” and “began making these massacred Jews into honorary LDS members as well.” He called it “a crass attempt at mass identity theft from the deceased.”

Yup. That’s Mormonism for you. Identity theft of the religious loved ones who have died. And identity theft attempts of Christianity with its attempt to hijack “Christian” as its own brand name – declaring the original Christianity as “dead and buried” Joseph Smith and generations of Mormons have attempted scorched-earth religio-politics, digging a mass grave for Christianity and attempting to build a new religion on top of our supposed tombstone.

The official doctrinal Mormon name for this is “universal apostasy.” It just means that they believe all Christian spiritual ancestors went AWOL long ago – meaning that you are spiritually illegitimate. That’s right. Lds teaches, in effect, that all Catholics, Protestants and Orthodox are spiritual bastards. We’re “illigit.” Because they believe our authority is lacking.

2 posted on 10/20/2011 7:25:49 AM PDT by Colofornian (Anyone who can be duped by Joseph Smith can be duped by anyone.)
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Example of what will happen if Romney gets the nomination. The NY Times will run its Mormon exposes' non-stop!

Yep...that's why Romney must be stopped now.

3 posted on 10/20/2011 7:26:23 AM PDT by dfwgator
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From the article: Kent Jackson, the associate dean of religion at Brigham Young University, says that while Mormons are Christians, “Mormonism is not part of the Christian family tree.” It probably won’t comfort skeptical evangelicals and Catholics to know that Mormons think that while other Christians merely “have a portion of the truth, what God revealed to Joseph Smith is the fullness of the truth,” as Jackson says...

Kent Jackson, the BYU associate dean of religion, is infamous for trying to put the best spin on describing Christian denominations for one audience [go to the article to say all he said] – while in the past. He’s written extensively on the so-called “universal apostasy” of Christianity going back 27 years for his normal audience of Mormons. What follows is one example where Jackson labels Protestant, Catholic and Orthodox churches as under the umbrella of “the church of the devil”…doesn’t that just “inspire” all you Christian voters to vote for a Mitt Romney whose church teaches that your church is, to cite, Jackson, ”classified as ‘the church of the devil?’”

A. BYU professor Kent B. Jackson: "Since whoever does not belong to 'the church of the Lamb of God' belongs to 'the church of the devil,' as Nephi announced then all systems of worship outside of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints would be classified as 'the church of the devil' by Nephi's definition (Kent B. Jackson, "Watch and Remember" etc. from publication By Study and Also by Faith: Essays in Honor of Hugh W. Nibley on the Occasion of His Eightieth Birthday, 3/27/90, vol. 1, p. 87, citing 1 Nephi 14:9-10 from the Book of Mormon)

4 posted on 10/20/2011 7:26:46 AM PDT by Colofornian (Anyone who can be duped by Joseph Smith can be duped by anyone.)
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To: Colofornian
Example of what will happen if Romney gets the nomination. The NY Times will run its Mormon exposes' non-stop!

This could be a good thing, it would be a great way to educate the people in a huge way. The Mormon church has spent years trying to perfect their image but it wouldn't take much to undo that because the truth is damning to them.

I always find if funny when Mormons publicly denounce the FLDS as a cults....

5 posted on 10/20/2011 7:30:24 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Colofornian

6 posted on 10/20/2011 7:30:39 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where INVITED Freepers will meet again next summer. Jim Robinson Too)
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To: Colofornian

Don’t forget about the Mountain Meadows Massacre on Sept 11, 1857 ...


7 posted on 10/20/2011 7:34:19 AM PDT by Ken522
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In my initial post, I referenced a Washington Times piece from earlier this week where the Times' writer was glossing over HUGE differences between Mormonism and Christianity, even misdefining the Mormon view of salvation as being via faith & baptism.

While he later revisited that concept and discussed works, he ignored how truly self-focused the Mormon concept is of earning your way to godhood. Here's documentation of that:

Many people know of Spencer W. Kimball, the 12th "prophet" of the Lds church (1973-1985), as the man who allowed blacks to become Mormon priests in 1978.

But did you know Mormonism teaches you are all "gods in embryo"??? (And Kimball was one of its key proponents)

Did you know that Mormonism teaches the false "gospel" of self-transformation -- of pulling yourself up by the bootstraps to become a god? (And Kimball was one of its key proponents)

Spencer W. Kimball on these very topics:

1969 "Being a god in embryo with the seeds of godhood neatly tucked away in him, and with the power to become a god eventually, man need not despair...he must...transform himself..." (Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, pp. 173-174)

A couple he was advising in Kimball's office "did not understand that forgiveness is not a thing of days or months or even years but is a matter of intensity of feeling and transformation of self...This couple seemed to have no conception of satisfying the Lord, of paying the total penalties and obtaining a release..." (Ibid, p. 156)

To Kimball, you had to "pay the total penalties" for your sin -- vs. that being a role occupied by the true Jesus Christ.

September, 1974: Man can transform himself and he must. Man has in himself the seeds of godhood, which can germinate and grow and develop. As the acorn becomes the oak, the mortal man becomes a god. It is within his power to lift himself by his very bootstraps from the plane on which he finds himself to the plane on which he should be. It may be a long, hard lift with many obstacles, but it is a real possibility. Source: http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6057 (Spencer W. Kimball speech entitled Be Ye Therefore Perfect 9/17/74 devotional address @ BYU)

1975: Man is created in the image of God. He is a god in embryo. He has the seeds of godhood within him, and he can, if he is normal, pick himself up by his bootstraps and literally move himself from where he is to where he shows he should be." Source: http://emp.byui.edu/marrottr/LovevsLust.pdf, "Love vs. Lust," Spencer W. Kimball, Provo: BYU Publications, 1975

November 1977: Self-mastery, then, is the key, and every person should study his own life, his own desires and wants and cravings, and bring them under control. Man can transform himself and he must. Man has in himself the seeds of godhood, which can germinate and grow and develop. As the acorn becomes the oak, the mortal man becomes a god. It is within his power to lift himself by his very bootstraps from the plane on which he finds himself to the plane on which he should be. It may be a long, hard lift with many obstacles, but it is a real possibility. To be perfect, one can turn to many areas as a starting place....As we have stated before, the way to perfection seems to be a changing of one’s life—to substitute the good for the evil in every case. Source: By President Spencer W. Kimball An address given to students of Weber State College, Ogden, Utah on 4 November 1977 http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&locale=0&sourceId=244ed0640b96b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD

July, 1978 Ensign Magazine: Lds church officially endorses Kimball Weber State College comments by publishing them in their official magazine

This quote also becomes part of Chapter 19 of what Lds officially teach college students in their Institute curricula: See http://institute.lds.org/manuals/doctrines-of-the-gospel-student-manual/doc-gosp-11-20-19.asp

This is in stark contrast to the Christian gospel of the Bible where we are saved thru faith, not works; otherwise we could boast in ourselves, said the apostle Paul. [See Ephesians 2:8-10]. V. 10 addressed the works we do -- that we ourselves are the worksmanship created by God...therefore even in our works, the Ultimate Artist, God, gets the credit and glory for any goodness arising from and through them.

8 posted on 10/20/2011 7:36:51 AM PDT by Colofornian (Anyone who can be duped by Joseph Smith can be duped by anyone.)
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To: dragonblustar
This could be a good thing, it would be a great way to educate the people in a huge way. The Mormon church has spent years trying to perfect their image but it wouldn't take much to undo that because the truth is damning to them.

Yes and no. Yes, God could use this to yield a mass exodus of the Mormon religion as its adherents discover more and more of its history and heresy.

But an emphatic "no" in at what cost to our nation? A Romney nomination = an Obama victory. Will the nation be held hostage politically so that some Mormons can be saved?

9 posted on 10/20/2011 7:40:19 AM PDT by Colofornian (Anyone who can be duped by Joseph Smith can be duped by anyone.)
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To: Colofornian
It probably won’t comfort skeptical evangelicals and Catholics to know that Mormons think that while other Christians merely “have a portion of the truth, what God revealed to Joseph Smith is the fullness of the truth,” as Jackson says

I'm Catholic, and I wouldn't expect it to be any other way. That's why they are Mormons. The only alternatives to believing your faith is complete are relativism (truth is different from one person to another), nihilism (there is no central turth to wrap your life around, or that it is unknowable or remains unrevealed), modernism (truth is fluid and subject to constant change, or alternatively, there are multiple truths, all equally valid).
10 posted on 10/20/2011 7:41:21 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (It's fun to play with your vision, but don't ever play with your eyes.-1970's PSA)
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To: Colofornian

It’s the Republican Elite’s fault for not recognizing the Mormon Problem, before they anointed Romney as “The One.”


11 posted on 10/20/2011 7:41:21 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Colofornian


12 posted on 10/20/2011 7:41:47 AM PDT by Stepan12
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To: Colofornian
Sorry, I'm far from a Romney fan, but . . . exactly how is this different from the way they will treat any candidate the Republican Party puts up who is an avowed, unashamed, Christian? Haters are gonna hate and they will use any weapon they can find against those they target--including painting any Mormon, or Christian as "extremist," out of the mainstream, "dangerous," and/or wanting to establish a theocracy.

I'm sorry, but these people are going to bash anyone they oppose with any number of illegitimate, twisted and distorted representations of what they support and believe.

I oppose Romney (with good reason) because he is a left-of-center moderate who is not to be trusted, not because of how he or his Mormonism might be portrayed by the MSM and the other Democrat propagandists.

Does anyone really believe that Romney's being a Mormon has anything to do with these attacks? Really? He's a threat to Obama's re-election, pure and simple.

If Cain is nominated, it will be "he wants to electrocute illegal aliens, tax the poor, has turned his back on his past and his own people, etc. etc.

If Perry is the nominee, he will be labeled "stupid," dangerous, an extremist Christian, want's to destroy the federal government, etc. etc.

Worrying about how some candidate will be treated by the press is the silliest argument there is.
13 posted on 10/20/2011 7:42:04 AM PDT by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

What about all of the poor saps who died before Joey Smith was born, what about them?


14 posted on 10/20/2011 7:42:37 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Colofornian
Kent Jackson, the associate dean of religion at Brigham Young University, says that while Mormons are Christians, “Mormonism is not part of the Christian family tree.”

WHAT does that mean??

15 posted on 10/20/2011 7:46:39 AM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man. Never trust anyone who hasn't been punched in the face)
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I don’t have a problem with Romney being a mormon.


16 posted on 10/20/2011 7:46:45 AM PDT by Politics4US
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To: Colofornian

Too illigit to quit! LOL!


17 posted on 10/20/2011 7:50:32 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Politics4US

Glenn Beck, on his radio show today, came out really strong against Maureen Dowd and this specific hit piece. He talked about his Mormon faith for some time, and said how disgusted he is with Maurine and tyne NYT putting this garbage out.

I agree.


18 posted on 10/20/2011 7:53:48 AM PDT by Ripliancum (Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you. -Eph. 4:31)
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To: Colofornian

Harry Reid and Milt Rominy (it rhymes with hominy, the huskless corn product) are appropriate poster boys for the “And I’m a Mormon” campaign.


19 posted on 10/20/2011 7:55:01 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: chesley

He was for Mormonism being a part of Christianity before he was against it.


20 posted on 10/20/2011 7:55:18 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Colofornian

Do we really need to vote for a guy who wants to be a god of his own planet?


21 posted on 10/20/2011 7:56:27 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Colofornian
It is a sin to weaken
another man's faith

22 posted on 10/20/2011 7:59:05 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: Colofornian
“Identity theft of the religious loved ones who have died. And identity theft attempts of Christianity with its attempt to hijack “Christian” as its own brand name – declaring the original Christianity as “dead and buried” Joseph Smith and generations of Mormons have attempted scorched-earth religio-politics, digging a mass grave for Christianity and attempting to build a new religion on top of our supposed tombstone.”

...Sounds like the second coming of Islam. Islam claims that all the prophets of the old testament were really Muslim. They then claim they have the real truth, and then replace the gospel with a earn your way to heaven mentality.

23 posted on 10/20/2011 7:59:14 AM PDT by Yulee (Village of Albion)
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To: Sudetenland

You are right on. If a candidate is a conservative, they will be ridiculed as an idiot by the press. IMHO, this is because they are usually MORE intelligent and informed, and it’s part of the leftist playbook to attack and thus negate conservative areas of strength.

For instance, do we ever hear Bachmann is a tax attorney? Palin is an energy expert who DID have a hostile power on her doorstep as governer of Alaska? That Cain IS a “rocket scientist”?

Mormonism has huge problems, stemming from their belief God is flesh and blood. Huge problems come from small heresies. But the Mormons I know try to live exemplary lives, and value their family above all. That is not part of what disqualifies Romney. But expect huge shows on all the weird aspects of mormonism with charts and “experts” all over the alphabet networks if Romney wins the primary.


24 posted on 10/20/2011 7:59:59 AM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: I still care
But the Mormons I know try to live exemplary lives, and value their family above all.

Mormons have their own version of "Taqqiya."

25 posted on 10/20/2011 8:01:23 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Colofornian
Will the nation be held hostage politically so that some Mormons can be saved?

If any can be saved. I fear even if the truth is blasted across the nation 24/7 some if not most would go down with the sinking ship than to acknowledge the truth that Mormonism is false. But still, there's part of me that wants to try, even if its only to warn off future converts.....

26 posted on 10/20/2011 8:08:34 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Stepan12

CZJ — Not Guilty


27 posted on 10/20/2011 8:11:13 AM PDT by Surrounded_too
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To: Colofornian

“The NY Times will run its Mormon exposes’ non-stop!”

Magic underwear, their belief in revelation through a “golden salamander,” and other extreme oddities will make for non-stop ridicule. To this, the Democrats will add the fact that Romney became a billionaire on Wall St., the real cardinal sin for many voters.

The GOP has a death wish if it nominates Romney.


28 posted on 10/20/2011 8:11:31 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: laotzu

Romney can worship a Golden Calf for all I care, I don’t want him as President.


29 posted on 10/20/2011 8:14:40 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Colofornian

This is why the true battle is between Cain and Perry. On Super Tuesday, Romney will not win a single Southern state.


30 posted on 10/20/2011 8:17:39 AM PDT by montag813
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To: laotzu

Quoting Oprah are we?


31 posted on 10/20/2011 8:19:03 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: laotzu

Quoting Oprah are we?


32 posted on 10/20/2011 8:19:13 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: dfwgator

Yes it is often termed “lying for the lord” officially denounced but accepted that early leaders did it including j.smith. Another is “Faith promoting” papers etc.

see 1994 speech by D.Oaks

A modern example would be

BYU Anthropology Professor John Clark
“Practices, instruments of war and history in the Book of Mormon are in accordance with Mesoamerican ways,”

Even the most mild investigation of this will show that this statement can not be upheld.

I agree that we are all entitled to our own opinions and view but not our own facts.


33 posted on 10/20/2011 8:30:28 AM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: laotzu

“It is a sin to weaken
another man’s faith”

Even if that faith is in error ? Not a very Biblical stand.


34 posted on 10/20/2011 8:31:54 AM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: ejonesie22; laotzu

35 posted on 10/20/2011 8:34:18 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: chesley
WHAT does that mean??

M.M.M.

More Mormon Mush.

36 posted on 10/20/2011 8:39:28 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country but Herman Cain loves mine.)
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Were mormons as equally disgusted with fellow mormons lying about Christian Seder events?

Save the faux moral outrage for another day.


37 posted on 10/20/2011 8:44:47 AM PDT by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: laotzu
It is a sin to weaken another man's faith.

I'm not sure what your point is. Is evangelism now verboten?

I assume it's wrong for a person of a given faith to weaken another of the same faith. But really, are you claiming it's wrong for a Christian to weaken the faith of a Muslim or vice versa? Or for a Presbyterian to try to bring a Methodist to the Calvinist persuasion?

Or this a more Oriental position, possibly Buddhist?

38 posted on 10/20/2011 8:46:55 AM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: Godzilla
Hey!! Back off, man! I'm the giraffe guy.


39 posted on 10/20/2011 8:50:27 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: laotzu

“It is a sin to weaken
another man’s faith.”
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Think about that.

If a person has been deceived by a destructive falsehood, isn’t it an act of love to try to undermine that destructive faith by offering the truth?

The Old Testament Biblical prophets, the New Testament writers and Christ Himself continually sought to undermine faith in falsehoods and strengthen faith in Truth.

The Truth:

The Biblical Scriptures teach that one must trust in Jesus Christ alone for eternal salvation. He is eternal God who became incarnate (without ceasing to be God, He took on Himself true humanity) in order to die on the cross in payment for our sins. (He’s not just a man who attained godhood like we all can supposedly attain godhood. If that’s the “Jesus” one believes in, then one is believing in a false Jesus, not the true Jesus of the Bible.)

As He hung on the cross, our sins were judicially imputed or ascribed to Him. Our sins were poured out on Him and judged by God the Father. Jesus Christ paid the penalty for our sins.

One must accept Jesus Christ’s finished work on the cross (His substitutionary atonement in payment for our sins) as the only way of salvation.

It’s worthless to rely instead on our own works (or a mix of faith and works) to save us.

John 6:28-29
Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

2 Corinthians 5:21
For He (God the Father) has made Him (Jesus Christ) to be sin for us (He was judged for our sins, He died as a substitute for us), who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.

John 3:16-18
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He who believes on him is not condemned: but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 6:47
(Jesus Christ said) He who believes in me has everlasting life.

John 10:9
I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.

John 10:28-30
I give them eternal life and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.

John 14:6
I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Acts 4:12
And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.

Acts 16:31
Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved...

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you are saved through faith and this is not from you, it is the gift of God. It is not from works, so no one may boast.

1 John 5:11-12
God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.

Acts 10:43
Every one who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.

Romans 4:7-8
Blessed are they whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will never count against him.

John 11:25-26
(Jesus Christ said) I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?

More good Biblical info available here:
http://www.deanbible.org


40 posted on 10/20/2011 9:18:49 AM PDT by onthelookout777
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To: Sudetenland

You nailed it. I don’t like Romney because he’s a liberal, not because he’s a Mormon.

It’s ironic and sad that freepers are aligning themselves with the violently anti-Christian New York Slimes on this.


41 posted on 10/20/2011 9:18:49 AM PDT by crusader71
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To: Colofornian

The liberals are going after the only serious GOP contender they could possibly beat or go along with their ideas.


42 posted on 10/20/2011 9:34:50 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: dfwgator
What about all of the poor saps who died before Joey Smith was born, what about them?

I believe that Mormon understanding is that if these poor saps were fortunate enough to have been around between when Our Lord was visiting North America and before the teaching made there was lost and/or corrupted, they might have a shot. Otherwise, they'll have to hope that their name pops up in some old geneology records so they can have things taken care of post-humously by a pious Mormon.

American Indians who kept no such records will be out of luck for the time being. I do not know enough about Mormonism to know whether they are consigned to hell, annihilation, or some intermediate or temporary place. These kinds of questions come up for Catholics and Protestants as well (those who lived in times or places where they could not have possibly had access to the Gospel or sacramental Baptism), and approaches to the answer vary.
43 posted on 10/20/2011 10:08:21 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (It's fun to play with your vision, but don't ever play with your eyes.-1970's PSA)
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To: Sudetenland
...exactly how is this different from the way they will treat any candidate the Republican Party puts up who is an avowed, unashamed, Christian? Haters are gonna hate and they will use any weapon they can find against those they target--including painting any Mormon, or Christian as "extremist," out of the mainstream, "dangerous," and/or wanting to establish a theocracy.

#1: For some on the attack, it'll be just a matter of degree. Maher lambasts all religions -- or at least Catholicism, Christianity, Mormonism, etc.

Even for him, “By any standard, Mormonism is more ridiculous than any other religion”...

#2: Look @ Prop 8. Evangelicals & Mormons & minorities & Roman Catholics especially teamed up to pass that in CA. Who did the libs go after for the most part? Minorities? (Nope; not at all). Evangelicals & Catholics? (Some) Mormons? (Yup)

That's the same "formula" that would carry over

I'm sorry, but these people are going to bash anyone they oppose with any number of illegitimate, twisted and distorted representations of what they support and believe.

Obviously, the MSM distorts & twists all it touches. The thing about Mormonism is that it's so bizarre it won't have to. (And nor does it in this article)

44 posted on 10/20/2011 10:42:26 AM PDT by Colofornian (Anyone who can be duped by Joseph Smith can be duped by anyone.)
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To: dfwgator
Maybe they did.

But I doubt it....

It sure seems they truly are the "Stupid Party"

45 posted on 10/20/2011 11:05:31 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum)
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To: crusader71
I don't like Romney because he's a flip flopping liberal.

I question a man that can fall for the mormon religion. Of course he was born into it....but he's not a stupid man either. So how could he be so duped???

46 posted on 10/20/2011 11:11:34 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum)
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To: Ripliancum
As I've been saying for years....

The left wing media will pull out the long knives on Romney...They will not let up, and it won't be pretty.

Thousands of Christians will be exposed for the first time to what mormon's really believe.

If Romney had any sense...he'd drop out now.

47 posted on 10/20/2011 11:19:03 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum)
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To: Colofornian

Perversion of Christianity, of God and of Salvation Placemarker


48 posted on 10/20/2011 11:33:11 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (You know, 99.99999965% of the lawyers give all of them a bad name)
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To: laotzu
It is a sin to weaken another man's faith

Got a verse to prove that or are you just going to keep repeating it with no proof. We can prove that Mormons are not Christians and will spend eternity in Hell unless they repent, but your stance is decidedly unScriptural. Frankly, it's Universalism.

49 posted on 10/20/2011 11:34:48 AM PDT by Avalon Hussar
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To: laotzu

It is a sin to weaken
another man’s faith

Scripture reference please?????
Christian Scripture. Not the cultic stuff.


50 posted on 10/20/2011 11:37:51 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (You know, 99.99999965% of the lawyers give all of them a bad name)
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