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Anne Frank, a Mormon?
New York Times ^ | Oct. 18, 2011 | Maureen Dowd

Posted on 10/20/2011 7:24:57 AM PDT by Colofornian

At an appearance at George Washington University...Bill Maher bounded into territory that the news media have been gingerly tiptoeing around.

Magic underwear. Baptizing dead people. Celestial marriages. Private planets. Racism. Polygamy.

“By any standard, Mormonism is more ridiculous than any other religion”...“It’s...founded on the idea of polygamy. They call it The Principle. That sounds like The Prime Directive in ‘Star Trek.’ ”

He said he expects the Romney crowd...to once more “gloss over the differences between Christians and Mormons.”

SNIP

Another famous nonbeliever, Christopher Hitchens, wrote in Slate...about “the weird and sinister belief system of the LDS”...

Aside from Joseph Smith, whom Hitchens calls “a fraud and conjurer well known to the authorities in upstate New York,” the writer also wonders about the Mormon practice of amassing archives of the dead...to “retrospectively ‘baptize’ everybody as a convert.”

Hitchens noted that they “got hold of a list of those put to death by the Nazis’ Final Solution” and “began making these massacred Jews into honorary LDS members as well.” He called it “a crass attempt at mass identity theft from the deceased.”

The Mormons even baptized Anne Frank.

It took Ernest Michel, then chairman of the American Gathering of Jewish Holocaust Survivors, three years to get Mormons to agree to stop proxy-baptizing Holocaust victims.

SNIP

Kent Jackson, the associate dean of religion at Brigham Young University, says that while Mormons are Christians, “Mormonism is not part of the Christian family tree.”

It probably won’t comfort skeptical evangelicals and Catholics to know that Mormons think that while other Christians merely “have a portion of the truth, what God revealed to Joseph Smith is the fullness of the truth,” as Jackson says...

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Example of what will happen if Romney gets the nomination. The NY Times will run its Mormon exposes' non-stop!

The realities of the Mormon faith will be superimposed as the imprimatur of the entire GOP! The face of Mormonism will be interpreted by the world as ridiculous, weird, racist, fraudulent, sinister, theocratic [baptizing even dead people], superstitious [magic underwear]

If Romney wins the nomination, Republicans will begin to feel the drag-down impact that Mormons have had upon Christianity. The bizarre will be associated with your very identity.

From the article: Magic underwear. Baptizing dead people. Celestial marriages. Private planets. Racism. Polygamy. “By any standard, Mormonism is more ridiculous than any other religion”...“It’s...founded on the idea of polygamy. They call it The Principle. That sounds like The Prime Directive in ‘Star Trek.’” He said he expects the Romney crowd...to once more “gloss over the differences between Christians and Mormons.”

The glossing-over was ramped up this week in a piece in the Washington Times and another source...where the writers tried the angle of focusing only on theological issues Mormons had in common with Christians while ignoring huge, glaring differences.

The Times writer even redefined Mormon basics as claiming that "salvation comes only through faith in Jesus and baptism in His name" -- ignoring Mormon teachings about the need to save yourself by lifting yourself up by your own bootstraps!

1 posted on 10/20/2011 7:25:01 AM PDT by Colofornian
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From the article: Hitchens noted that they “got hold of a list of those put to death by the Nazis’ Final Solution” and “began making these massacred Jews into honorary LDS members as well.” He called it “a crass attempt at mass identity theft from the deceased.”

Yup. That’s Mormonism for you. Identity theft of the religious loved ones who have died. And identity theft attempts of Christianity with its attempt to hijack “Christian” as its own brand name – declaring the original Christianity as “dead and buried” Joseph Smith and generations of Mormons have attempted scorched-earth religio-politics, digging a mass grave for Christianity and attempting to build a new religion on top of our supposed tombstone.

The official doctrinal Mormon name for this is “universal apostasy.” It just means that they believe all Christian spiritual ancestors went AWOL long ago – meaning that you are spiritually illegitimate. That’s right. Lds teaches, in effect, that all Catholics, Protestants and Orthodox are spiritual bastards. We’re “illigit.” Because they believe our authority is lacking.

2 posted on 10/20/2011 7:25:49 AM PDT by Colofornian (Anyone who can be duped by Joseph Smith can be duped by anyone.)
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Example of what will happen if Romney gets the nomination. The NY Times will run its Mormon exposes' non-stop!

Yep...that's why Romney must be stopped now.

3 posted on 10/20/2011 7:26:23 AM PDT by dfwgator
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From the article: Kent Jackson, the associate dean of religion at Brigham Young University, says that while Mormons are Christians, “Mormonism is not part of the Christian family tree.” It probably won’t comfort skeptical evangelicals and Catholics to know that Mormons think that while other Christians merely “have a portion of the truth, what God revealed to Joseph Smith is the fullness of the truth,” as Jackson says...

Kent Jackson, the BYU associate dean of religion, is infamous for trying to put the best spin on describing Christian denominations for one audience [go to the article to say all he said] – while in the past. He’s written extensively on the so-called “universal apostasy” of Christianity going back 27 years for his normal audience of Mormons. What follows is one example where Jackson labels Protestant, Catholic and Orthodox churches as under the umbrella of “the church of the devil”…doesn’t that just “inspire” all you Christian voters to vote for a Mitt Romney whose church teaches that your church is, to cite, Jackson, ”classified as ‘the church of the devil?’”

A. BYU professor Kent B. Jackson: "Since whoever does not belong to 'the church of the Lamb of God' belongs to 'the church of the devil,' as Nephi announced then all systems of worship outside of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints would be classified as 'the church of the devil' by Nephi's definition (Kent B. Jackson, "Watch and Remember" etc. from publication By Study and Also by Faith: Essays in Honor of Hugh W. Nibley on the Occasion of His Eightieth Birthday, 3/27/90, vol. 1, p. 87, citing 1 Nephi 14:9-10 from the Book of Mormon)

4 posted on 10/20/2011 7:26:46 AM PDT by Colofornian (Anyone who can be duped by Joseph Smith can be duped by anyone.)
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Example of what will happen if Romney gets the nomination. The NY Times will run its Mormon exposes' non-stop!

This could be a good thing, it would be a great way to educate the people in a huge way. The Mormon church has spent years trying to perfect their image but it wouldn't take much to undo that because the truth is damning to them.

I always find if funny when Mormons publicly denounce the FLDS as a cults....

5 posted on 10/20/2011 7:30:24 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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6 posted on 10/20/2011 7:30:39 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where INVITED Freepers will meet again next summer. Jim Robinson Too)
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Don’t forget about the Mountain Meadows Massacre on Sept 11, 1857 ...


7 posted on 10/20/2011 7:34:19 AM PDT by Ken522
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In my initial post, I referenced a Washington Times piece from earlier this week where the Times' writer was glossing over HUGE differences between Mormonism and Christianity, even misdefining the Mormon view of salvation as being via faith & baptism.

While he later revisited that concept and discussed works, he ignored how truly self-focused the Mormon concept is of earning your way to godhood. Here's documentation of that:

Many people know of Spencer W. Kimball, the 12th "prophet" of the Lds church (1973-1985), as the man who allowed blacks to become Mormon priests in 1978.

But did you know Mormonism teaches you are all "gods in embryo"??? (And Kimball was one of its key proponents)

Did you know that Mormonism teaches the false "gospel" of self-transformation -- of pulling yourself up by the bootstraps to become a god? (And Kimball was one of its key proponents)

Spencer W. Kimball on these very topics:

1969 "Being a god in embryo with the seeds of godhood neatly tucked away in him, and with the power to become a god eventually, man need not despair...he must...transform himself..." (Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, pp. 173-174)

A couple he was advising in Kimball's office "did not understand that forgiveness is not a thing of days or months or even years but is a matter of intensity of feeling and transformation of self...This couple seemed to have no conception of satisfying the Lord, of paying the total penalties and obtaining a release..." (Ibid, p. 156)

To Kimball, you had to "pay the total penalties" for your sin -- vs. that being a role occupied by the true Jesus Christ.

September, 1974: Man can transform himself and he must. Man has in himself the seeds of godhood, which can germinate and grow and develop. As the acorn becomes the oak, the mortal man becomes a god. It is within his power to lift himself by his very bootstraps from the plane on which he finds himself to the plane on which he should be. It may be a long, hard lift with many obstacles, but it is a real possibility. Source: http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6057 (Spencer W. Kimball speech entitled Be Ye Therefore Perfect 9/17/74 devotional address @ BYU)

1975: Man is created in the image of God. He is a god in embryo. He has the seeds of godhood within him, and he can, if he is normal, pick himself up by his bootstraps and literally move himself from where he is to where he shows he should be." Source: http://emp.byui.edu/marrottr/LovevsLust.pdf, "Love vs. Lust," Spencer W. Kimball, Provo: BYU Publications, 1975

November 1977: Self-mastery, then, is the key, and every person should study his own life, his own desires and wants and cravings, and bring them under control. Man can transform himself and he must. Man has in himself the seeds of godhood, which can germinate and grow and develop. As the acorn becomes the oak, the mortal man becomes a god. It is within his power to lift himself by his very bootstraps from the plane on which he finds himself to the plane on which he should be. It may be a long, hard lift with many obstacles, but it is a real possibility. To be perfect, one can turn to many areas as a starting place....As we have stated before, the way to perfection seems to be a changing of one’s life—to substitute the good for the evil in every case. Source: By President Spencer W. Kimball An address given to students of Weber State College, Ogden, Utah on 4 November 1977 http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&locale=0&sourceId=244ed0640b96b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD

July, 1978 Ensign Magazine: Lds church officially endorses Kimball Weber State College comments by publishing them in their official magazine

This quote also becomes part of Chapter 19 of what Lds officially teach college students in their Institute curricula: See http://institute.lds.org/manuals/doctrines-of-the-gospel-student-manual/doc-gosp-11-20-19.asp

This is in stark contrast to the Christian gospel of the Bible where we are saved thru faith, not works; otherwise we could boast in ourselves, said the apostle Paul. [See Ephesians 2:8-10]. V. 10 addressed the works we do -- that we ourselves are the worksmanship created by God...therefore even in our works, the Ultimate Artist, God, gets the credit and glory for any goodness arising from and through them.

8 posted on 10/20/2011 7:36:51 AM PDT by Colofornian (Anyone who can be duped by Joseph Smith can be duped by anyone.)
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This could be a good thing, it would be a great way to educate the people in a huge way. The Mormon church has spent years trying to perfect their image but it wouldn't take much to undo that because the truth is damning to them.

Yes and no. Yes, God could use this to yield a mass exodus of the Mormon religion as its adherents discover more and more of its history and heresy.

But an emphatic "no" in at what cost to our nation? A Romney nomination = an Obama victory. Will the nation be held hostage politically so that some Mormons can be saved?

9 posted on 10/20/2011 7:40:19 AM PDT by Colofornian (Anyone who can be duped by Joseph Smith can be duped by anyone.)
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It probably won’t comfort skeptical evangelicals and Catholics to know that Mormons think that while other Christians merely “have a portion of the truth, what God revealed to Joseph Smith is the fullness of the truth,” as Jackson says

I'm Catholic, and I wouldn't expect it to be any other way. That's why they are Mormons. The only alternatives to believing your faith is complete are relativism (truth is different from one person to another), nihilism (there is no central turth to wrap your life around, or that it is unknowable or remains unrevealed), modernism (truth is fluid and subject to constant change, or alternatively, there are multiple truths, all equally valid).
10 posted on 10/20/2011 7:41:21 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (It's fun to play with your vision, but don't ever play with your eyes.-1970's PSA)
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It’s the Republican Elite’s fault for not recognizing the Mormon Problem, before they anointed Romney as “The One.”


11 posted on 10/20/2011 7:41:21 AM PDT by dfwgator
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12 posted on 10/20/2011 7:41:47 AM PDT by Stepan12
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Sorry, I'm far from a Romney fan, but . . . exactly how is this different from the way they will treat any candidate the Republican Party puts up who is an avowed, unashamed, Christian? Haters are gonna hate and they will use any weapon they can find against those they target--including painting any Mormon, or Christian as "extremist," out of the mainstream, "dangerous," and/or wanting to establish a theocracy.

I'm sorry, but these people are going to bash anyone they oppose with any number of illegitimate, twisted and distorted representations of what they support and believe.

I oppose Romney (with good reason) because he is a left-of-center moderate who is not to be trusted, not because of how he or his Mormonism might be portrayed by the MSM and the other Democrat propagandists.

Does anyone really believe that Romney's being a Mormon has anything to do with these attacks? Really? He's a threat to Obama's re-election, pure and simple.

If Cain is nominated, it will be "he wants to electrocute illegal aliens, tax the poor, has turned his back on his past and his own people, etc. etc.

If Perry is the nominee, he will be labeled "stupid," dangerous, an extremist Christian, want's to destroy the federal government, etc. etc.

Worrying about how some candidate will be treated by the press is the silliest argument there is.
13 posted on 10/20/2011 7:42:04 AM PDT by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
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What about all of the poor saps who died before Joey Smith was born, what about them?


14 posted on 10/20/2011 7:42:37 AM PDT by dfwgator
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Kent Jackson, the associate dean of religion at Brigham Young University, says that while Mormons are Christians, “Mormonism is not part of the Christian family tree.”

WHAT does that mean??

15 posted on 10/20/2011 7:46:39 AM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man. Never trust anyone who hasn't been punched in the face)
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I don’t have a problem with Romney being a mormon.


16 posted on 10/20/2011 7:46:45 AM PDT by Politics4US
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Too illigit to quit! LOL!


17 posted on 10/20/2011 7:50:32 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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Glenn Beck, on his radio show today, came out really strong against Maureen Dowd and this specific hit piece. He talked about his Mormon faith for some time, and said how disgusted he is with Maurine and tyne NYT putting this garbage out.

I agree.


18 posted on 10/20/2011 7:53:48 AM PDT by Ripliancum (Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you. -Eph. 4:31)
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Harry Reid and Milt Rominy (it rhymes with hominy, the huskless corn product) are appropriate poster boys for the “And I’m a Mormon” campaign.


19 posted on 10/20/2011 7:55:01 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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He was for Mormonism being a part of Christianity before he was against it.


20 posted on 10/20/2011 7:55:18 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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