Posted on 10/22/2011 4:40:43 AM PDT by rellimpank
Everyone else should have their Rights restored after serving their time.
Tell it to Herman Cain the GOP front runner. He doesn’t think so but I’m sure he’ll change his mind once he’a confronted with it
Haha that’s because this is a very serious issue that goes to the heart of who we are as a people.
What’s the problem? This is presidential candidate Herman Cain’s position. 2nd amendment is a states rights issue
I challenge you to post any Cain statement to the contrary.
I guess this means violent criminals can legally carry in other states?
I don’t follow that serving a prison term squares everything and that the criminal gets a reset to zero.
I and others disagree. You make a false argument that a person is either completely trustworthy or a constant menace. Prison is punishment and protection. Parole and restrictions are protection. Violent felons don’t deserve to get full rights back. Special cases have due process to petition for their rights back on a case by case basis- the way it should be.
You act like ex-cons don’t have access to guns illegally. They all do and they all get them on the black market. If they had access to buy guns legally, at least we would have a paper trail on them. As it is, they buy hot guns police can’t trace back to them. Worse, this creates a market for hot guns.
There is no good that comes from legally prohibiting ex-cons from legally buying a firearm. It does not achieve the desired goal but comes with bad unintended consequences.
I forgive your ignorance. I’m sure you’re clueless to the fact that you, on average, commit 3 Federal felonies per day, let alone those committed on the state level. You just don’t care about the GOD given rights of others because you are willing to wear your chains with pride. You can have your right to keep and bear arms stolen from you for things as simple as saying that beef isn’t good for you (a veggie libel law in Colorado, a felony, to arguing in front of a child, a misdemeanor in several states which invokes the Lautenberg amendment). You have no clue the number of laws you can violate, there are tens of thousands in the Federal Criminal code alone. No wonder the road to hell is paved with good intentions, the ignorant are the ones laying the pavement.
You are correct. The foolish think that the gun grabbers will stop once they get all the guns that they (the initial foolish) think should be grabbed. They are ignorant, and the product of a public education and socialist indoctrination. They neither understand the Constitution, nor will the wolves be any more merciful when they dine upon the trash they use, then toss aside.
The U.S. has the largest prison population in the world by many fold. The ignorant don’t realize that the “criminal justice” system went from criminal justice to racketeering cash cow, decades ago.
BTW we have 5% of the World’s population, and 25% of the World’s prison population. 1 in 100 adults are in prison, that’s ridiculous.
I'm not ignorant, I'm just willing to make logical common sense decisions regarding crime and punishment.
You bring up the fact that there are nonsensical felonies, but instead of advocating eliminating the nonsensical felonies, you instead advocate treating the nonsensical and sensible equally. And who is ignorant and paving a road to hell??
I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with putting lifelong restrictions on the rights of rapists, murderers, and armed robbers.
Of course, I covered all of that initially, but you are too committed to your illogical approach to actually acknowledge what I said. Instead you created a straw man and argued with yourself.
That is truly bazaar logic. Shall we just make them register before they commit rapes as well, so "at least we'll know?".
The purpose of making firearm possession illegal for a violent convicted felon, is that places them in a state of jeopardy leading up to a crime.
There is no good that comes from legally prohibiting ex-cons from legally buying a firearm. It does not achieve the desired goal but comes with bad unintended consequences.
BS. This is like saying that suspending a driver's license is pointless, because people will just drive anyway. Firearms are deadly weapons. Someone convicted of using deadly weapons to rape, kill, and rob, should have their right to wield them taken away.
The fact that they can break the law is a nonsensical reason for allowing them to do it??? If a person has been convicted of violently attacking their fellow citizens, then it is both logical and smart to place restrictions on them. If they are then determined to be in possession of the tools of their trade, as it were, put them back in prison.
When did personal liberty become a matter of protecting rapists and murderers from due process? Some people have a total inability to understand that criminals have lost rights by virtue of being criminals.
Sorry, but I find your ignorance to be unforgivable.
Arguing that a man that raped 20 women at gunpoint should get all of his rights restored when released, lest we all fall down a slippery slope of lost personal liberty, is junenile.
Your all or nothing approach is going to convince a lot more people that “nothing” is the answer.
A free society requires constant desision making in such matters. Your strange logic that we are only safe if we refuse to ever act is self-defeating. What works is to make a benchmark and then keep up the constant fight to keep restrictions at the benchmark. When you assert there should be no benchmark whatsoever, you lose the argument and the day.
Where in the world do you get the idea that the argument and struggle to protect liberty will be solved forever if only we abolish logical restrictions on the liberties of violent felons?? The Founders had no problems with restricting the liberties of people who harmed others.
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