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Syrian Securty Forces Coming Apart (20,000 AWOL, 200K Uncertain & Unreliabile)
Strategy Page ^ | 10/24/11

Posted on 10/25/2011 2:14:57 PM PDT by drewh

Nearly 20,000 soldiers have deserted in the last seven months, most of them in the last month. The number of deserters grows daily.

The recent death of Libyan dictator Kaddafi did not help morale for the government, or its troops.

The government is working its small force of loyal troops hard, and that raises growing concerns about the continued loyalty of the army.

With at least half the Syrian 400,000 security forces (police and army) of uncertain reliability, the government is using the 100,000 or so reliable killers (mainly Republican Guard and secret police, plus Hezbollah gunmen from Lebanon and terror groups living in Syria) to terrorize (and, increasingly, slaughter) those civilians who continue to oppose the government.

This is a risky strategy, because as more of the less reliable troops and police shoot back, it's a sign that the end of the dictatorship is looming.

But the government hard-liners, led by the president's brother (Maher Assad), have won the argument over how to handle the unrest. There's no going back from this, even though Iran is no longer backing the hardline approach.

The Assad clan apparently is ready for a fight to the death, but so are the Syrian people. The Assads know they can rely on the army officers and most of the intelligence agencies and secret police.

These men are tainted by their association with the government, and are usually non-Sunni. So if the reformers win, and the Assads fall, all these guys are out of a job, or worse.

The Assads are taking good care of these men, and assuring them that the government has the resources, and determination, to see this crisis through to a successful conclusion. But so are the reformers, who vastly outnumber the better armed minority supporting the Assads.


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1 posted on 10/25/2011 2:15:03 PM PDT by drewh
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To: drewh
The lesson of Mubarak and Gaddafi is to fight to the death and get ruthless fast.
2 posted on 10/25/2011 2:19:27 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: Truth29

If Syria comes unglued, that’s another potential job opp for Obama.

I’ve got him penciled in as the next prez of Kenya in 2013, but he’d be a great fit for these Arab countries too.


3 posted on 10/25/2011 2:21:30 PM PDT by nascarnation (DEFEAT BARAQ 2012 DEPORT BARAQ 2013)
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To: Truth29


4 posted on 10/25/2011 2:26:31 PM PDT by drewh
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To: Truth29
The lesson of Mubarak and Gaddafi is to fight to the death and get ruthless fast.

And to have a couple of nukes...

5 posted on 10/25/2011 2:28:40 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Truth29
"The lesson of Mubarak and Gaddafi is to fight to the death and get ruthless fast. "

I disagree, Gaddafi did exactly that, and look where it got him. The lesson for Arab dictators is resign, flee the country and never come back....

6 posted on 10/25/2011 2:48:19 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: drewh

Of all, this is perhaps the most important one not to screw up. If Syria falls, it is most likely of all to fall under the influence by Iran. At least the Egyptians think of themselves as rivals to Iran. Syria has for years now been taking money, training, weapons from Iran. Israel may have an entire Iranian front on its northern border.

If NATO intervenes, it has to do so with the eye on containing Iran. If it doesn’t intervene and Syria falls, the Saudis will have to spend a fortune to keep its influence.

This is not a pro-Assad post. It is just that the risks against Israel grow ever larger by the month.


7 posted on 10/25/2011 2:50:04 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

“The lesson for Arab dictators is resign, flee the country and never come back....”

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Take the money and buy property in Miami Beach.


8 posted on 10/25/2011 2:56:17 PM PDT by 353FMG (Liberalism is Satan's handiwork.)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

Because Iran demands it along with uhbummer..


9 posted on 10/25/2011 2:57:19 PM PDT by aces
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To: Truth29

That lesson is only true if Assad doesn’t fall. So far, you are correct, Assad was the only one to repress his people so effectively. Mubarak and Qaddafi are pansies compared to Assad. Funny how that worked... Qaddafi merely ‘threatened’ to kill civilian protestors and that earned him a NATO invasion. Assad has quietly killed thousands during the same period of time, and nary a peep.


10 posted on 10/25/2011 3:01:23 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: drewh
... With at least half the Syrian 400,000 security forces (police and army) of uncertain reliability, the government is using the 100,000 or so reliable killers (mainly Republican Guard and secret police, plus Hezbollah gunmen from Lebanon and terror groups living in Syria) to terrorize (and, increasingly, slaughter) those civilians who continue to oppose the government...

I wonder what that Republican Guard is called in Syria and why it translates to Republican Guard in English?

11 posted on 10/25/2011 3:02:59 PM PDT by relee ('Till the blue skies drive the dark clouds far away)
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To: monkeyshine
Assad has quietly killed thousands during the same period of time, and nary a peep.

Because Assad is Iran's boy, so Obama won't touch him.

12 posted on 10/25/2011 3:03:41 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: drewh

Hey, Assad! Does the name Custer mean anything to you?


13 posted on 10/25/2011 3:03:59 PM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
"I disagree, Gaddafi did exactly that, and look where it got him. The lesson for Arab dictators is resign, flee the country and never come back...."

Gaddafi didn't get ruthless soon enough. He let the opposition organize and begin a rebellion. If he had not released prisoners in the East and neutralized Benghazi last year, he might still be in power. The lesson for dictators is to stop the opposition by any means early and keep the US out of your business. As another poster noted, it is also a good idea to have a couple of nuclear weapons to make sure you have insurance.

14 posted on 10/25/2011 3:04:15 PM PDT by Truth29
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15 posted on 10/25/2011 3:31:30 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: monkeyshine
That lesson is only true if Assad doesn’t fall. So far, you are correct, Assad was the only one to repress his people so effectively. Mubarak and Qaddafi are pansies compared to Assad. Funny how that worked... Qaddafi merely ‘threatened’ to kill civilian protestors and that earned him a NATO invasion. Assad has quietly killed thousands during the same period of time, and nary a peep.

I think you can figure that one out. (Clue - who hates Israel the most gets a pass)

16 posted on 10/25/2011 4:00:22 PM PDT by Digger (If RINO is your selection then failure is your election)
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To: monkeyshine

“If Syria falls, it is most likely of all to fall under the influence by Iran.”

I disagree. In Syria, Sunnis outnumber Shiites 6:1 and getting rid of Bashir is getting rid of a cruel minority govt. I suspect an overthrow will lessen Iran’s influence more than extend it.


17 posted on 10/25/2011 4:15:54 PM PDT by jimmygrace
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Yes, you are correct, and the Alawite clan that runs Syria are aligned with the Shia politically and religiously. Which is why I said Saudi will have to break out the checkbook. Syria is the lynchpin in Iran’s strategic plans, funding Hamas and Hezbullah and pushing the MB in Egypt.

The country is so used to Iranian influence, it is difficult for me to see Iran sitting back and letting the revolution change the status quo, even with NATO support. They don’t have to be the same clan or even religion to strike a political bargain. The stakes will be very high for all involved.

We shall see.


18 posted on 10/25/2011 4:29:18 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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19 posted on 10/25/2011 4:34:43 PM PDT by SJackson (Haven't changed the environment, just take a bath. Eat a piece of chocolate. You need one. Michelle)
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To: drewh

That can’t be bad. Unless Iran is recruiting irregulars to lob mortars at Israel.


20 posted on 10/25/2011 6:23:09 PM PDT by yup2394871293
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