Posted on 10/28/2011 1:17:46 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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Just curious - Did Perry ever apologize for his “heartless” comment? If he did, I missed it. If he hasn’t, he should. It is likely to color conservatives’ view of anything else he has to say (including his “game-changing” plan).
Perry wins this comparison in my book.
Once Bachman and then Cain drop out, conservatives will come back around, either to Perry or to Gingrich.
lol!
Isn’t 909 a former beer product? Oh wait that was 905...nevermind.
If he comes out with a close the border plan I am all in.
Yes, he did.
Hay, hay, hay, hay who is perry going to pee on today. What a freaking clown show. Give the boy a truck load of cheese to go with his whine.
A national sales tax would require each retail outlet to account for the tax. A flat tax would be accounted with the employer which is already being done though witholding tax. There is no impact on the retail market and no impact on the employer.
There was a Tiger "33" beer back in my Vietnam days. The stuff was terrible, rumor claimed it was formaldehyde based! :)
He already has, so you’re all in.
LOL! Your juvenile sputterings can be counted on like clockwork! Welcome to the thread! :)
Intrade pegs Perry’s chances at 10.9%, who’s in?
I'm in. Perry and Cain are both longshots, but we can't afford to have Romny win.
Mitt Romney 69.8%
Rick Perry 10.9%
Herman Cain 7.6%
Great article.
I didn’t know that the 9-?-9 plan called for taxing States and Local governments.
I hate to think about the bureaucracy involved in building the bureaucracy for collecting a National sales tax.
Here you go:
JOHN HARWOOD: To clarify one philosophical point. You have a flat-tax option in your plan, but of course there are deductions, and— in some preferences, the personal exemption that takes some people off the rolls. Do you fundamentally believe we should not have a progressive tax system in the country?
RICK PERRY: I do. I think you need to have a tax system that basically is flat, fair and simple. And— that you can put on a post card. I mean, even Timothy Geithner could do this one and get it on time. So my point is—
JOHN HARWOOD: But the idea of taking— of having— higher rates— of various kinds for people who earn more are not right?
RICK PERRY: I don’t agree with that. My deal is have a flat, simple tax. And— Americans want— Americans I hope— aspire to be— be wealthy. I hope they aspire to have a better quality of life. And we have this class warfare that’s going on now. And I don’t agree with that. I’m interested in people getting to work. And folks who generally have money are the ones who invest money, that hire folks, so that those folks who get hired can work their way up to become someday owning the company.
JOHN HARWOOD: And you mentioned class warfare. In 1996, when your advisor Steve Forbes was running on a flat tax, Mitt Romney said it was a tax cut for fat cats. If he says that about your plan, what are you going to say to him?
RICK PERRY: Well I would said that he ought to go look in the mirror I guess. I consider him to be a fat cats. Because— here it doesn’t matter to me what— what, you know, anybody says about this. I know what will work. And I’m more interested in getting people out there, investing in their companies— bringing back this— this money that’s offshore.
We’ve sent a rate of 5.25 percent to bring those offshore moneys back in here. I want it in America. I want it creating jobs here. I’ll promise you one thing, the corporate tax rate is at 20 percent too. You put a 20 percent tax rate which puts us down then average what it is across America— or across the world, rather— and you remove these onerous regulations, we can bring manufacturing back into this country.
JOHN HARWOOD: What does this say about the difference between you and Mitt Romney, that he’s proposed a plan that preserves the current rates, and you’ve proposed this plan that would radically change the system?
RICK PERRY: Well I consider what Mitt’s doing kind of nibbling around the edges. I consider what we’re doing bold. Appropriate. And when you couple it with the rest of things in our plan, whether it’s the budget— in the balanced budget amendment we’ve talk about, when it’s cutting the spending— setting it at 18 percent— of our gross domestic product— spending caps— you got to get the spending under control. I mean, it doesn’t make any difference what the tax system is if they keep spending money like they’ve been spending. You got to have a courageous president to stand up and says, listen, if— if you send a bill to me that spends more money than what we’ve coming in, I’ll veto it. I mean, I’m going to try to work with you the best I can, but I’m going to veto it.
JOHN HARWOOD: You say we need a courageous president. Do you think that— he really is a moderate, and that’s he’s nibbling around the edges? Or do you think that he lacks the guts to propose a plan this strong?
RICK PERRY: You know, I don’t know. I happen to think that when he had the opportunity to move private sector— experience into the public sector as the governor of Massachusetts, they were 47th in job creation in America at that particular point in time. So I have led the nation in job creation. I know how to get things done from a government standpoint. I have been an executive— in governing that has been successful. And that’s what I think Americans are looking for. Someone who has the courage to stand up and say we’re not going to spend that money. I cut spending in
IMHO Perry's problem is Perry.
I don't see conservatives in the Midwest being do-see do ed over to Perry because
1. His in-state-tuition for Illegals. Midwesterners want them sent back to Mexico and they want tough anti-immigration laws enforced, not more laws created to accommodate them.
2. His performance in the debates and his communication skills.
3. A wife that is coming across as being domineering and part of the “ticket”.
4. Dropping out of the debates because he's not a “debater”. What a crock! If he can't discuss issues with adversaries (MSM) or his competition he should not be running for POTUS.
JMHO
But Perry's plan is NOT a flat tax.
Did you ever notice that NOT ONCE did you address the fact --- a pretty big fact, I'd say -- that Perry's plan is a hybrid plan? That it adds a mini-me flat tax code ON TOP OF the Fedzilla code we have in place now? And that it leaves that Fedzilla code in place indefinitely, all the better to entrench crony capitalism and corruption while even fewer taxpayers are looking?
This is something like the fourth or fifth "analysis" of Perry's plan that I've seen that COMPLETELY IGNORES the plan and simply focuses on how great a flat tax, or the flat tax portion of Perry's plan, would be.
That is unacceptable as "analysis," gentlemen.
If you had done a true analysis, Ken and Ken, you would have had to address at least some of these arguments in this thread.
And if you really wanted to be prepared, you could read my little archive of rants on why having a two-tier system under the Perry plan is dangerous to our freedom (at #18).
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