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To: WilliamHouston

All Buchanan and your arguments rest on assumptions that are false or preposterous:

1. Poland should have ceded Danzig to Germany. a) Danzig was already controlled by Nazis. Poland wanted to keep some purely trade-related rights to a port. Giving Poles nonmilitary access to ports is so offensive to Germans, that they are justified carving up Poland with the USSR. (meanwhile, they already controlled Danzig, and could have merely blocked access to the ports. They didn’t do that, they conquered the whole country. So, that definitely must be Britain’s fault)

2. Buchanan’s whole argument rests on the fact that Hitler would have “played nice,” if he just could have had Danzig. Well, what is your proof? I think there is plenty of proof that wasn’t the case. There was Austria. There was Czechoslovakia. There was Poland. The fact of the matter there was a lot of intelligence that Nazi Germany had aggressive plans besides that. We know now that Hitler was only prevented from kidnapping Pius XII by the Italian military.

I would never argue that Churchill is beyond criticism, but you need a lot more proof than you have given me to show that Hitler was peaceful beyond just wanting Danzig, who was pushed by a bloodthirsty Churchill.

41 posted on 11/01/2011 2:18:47 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

(1) Danzig was “controlled” by the Nazis, but it was, as you have pointed out the “Free City of Danzig.” Unlike Hamburg or Berlin, Danzig was not part of Germany, and it wasn’t part of Germany because Poland also claimed the “Free City of Danzig.”

(2) If Poland had ceded its stupid rights to a city that was destroyed anyway in WW2, then Germany would have never invaded Poland.

(3) Danzig should have never been made into the “Free City of Danzig” in the first place. 95 percent of Danzig was German. It was German than Los Angeles is American.

(4) Germany carved up Poland with the USSR because, because the Poles struck an alliance with Britain who gave them the war guarantee. Had not Britain not given the war guarantee, Poland would have ceded that stupid city, and history would have taken a different course.

(5) Austria was a German state. The Sudetenland, the Rhineland, and Danzig were indisputably part of Germany. That wasn’t a Nazi position either.

(6) Poland invaded Czechoslovakia in league with Germany and Hungary to annex the Poles who lived under Czech rule.

(7) No, Hitler never had “aggressive plans” against Britain. In fact, he wanted an alliance with Britain. He wrote a whole book about foreign policy that was based on his proposed alliance with Britain.

(8) You said earlier that Buchanan wanted Hitler to kidnap the Pope. Then you retreated from that argument and admitted you made up the story.

(9) Churchill was a buffoon who destroyed the British Empire. It was his actions that lost the Empire. British historians like Barnett and Taylor have made these arguments for years now.

(10) Hitler wanted Danzig and the Polish Corridor and for Poland to play a satellite role (similar to Croatia, Romania, Hungary, and Slovakia) in his war against the Soviet Union.

In hindsight, we know that Hitler invaded Poland and struck the alliance with Stalin (an alliance with communists that he despised) because of the Polish war guarantee that Chamberlain had foolishly issued.

If the Poles had not taken that worthless war guarantee from Chamberlain, and if the Poles had ceded Danzig which was 95 percent German anyway, which was destroyed in the course of the war anyway, then Hitler and Stalin wouldn’t have invaded Poland, but would have probably gone to war with each other.

Britain would have never gone to war with Germany. France wouldn’t have gone to war with Germany. America wouldn’t have gone to war to bailout Germany. Japan wouldn’t have dared attack America by itself.

Instead, the worst case scenario unfolded, a war that could have been prevented, an unnecessary war.

43 posted on 11/01/2011 2:34:46 AM PDT by WilliamHouston
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