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To: rmlew; WilliamHouston
How do you know he's a committed Catholic? Perhaps he is, but this is a rare case where I question the validity of his commitment. First of all, he is willing to overlook the murder of millions of Catholics. Perhaps that's not a theological issue, but I wonder how he can overlook it. Secondly, Popes are not infallible in geopolitics, but the degree to which he sweeps under the rug what Pius XII said and did is interesting. Most importantly, his whole argument blaming everyone but Nazi Germany ignore the suppression and hostility by Hitler. Pius XI and the future Pius XII took the extraordinary step of writing an encyclical, Mit Brennender Sorge, in German, not Latin. The Nazi's, quite rightly, took great offense to it.

All in all, I suppose some argument could be made that one is a, "committed Catholic," but would not care to defend the lives and rights to practice Catholicism of others, but just barely. I have my doubts. Personally, I think Buchanan's position is despicable, and he give anti-Catholics a bad name.

63 posted on 11/01/2011 11:58:45 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

“How do you know he’s a committed Catholic? Perhaps he is, but this is a rare case where I question the validity of his commitment.”

Umm ... because I have been reading him for ten years and he makes that clear in the book that I reviewed?

“First of all, he is willing to overlook the murder of millions of Catholics. Perhaps that’s not a theological issue, but I wonder how he can overlook it.”

No, Pat’s point is actually that the policies which you seem to support are what resulted in the deaths of millions of Catholics, which brought about the absolute worse case scenario, the most destructive war in the history of the world.

“Secondly, Popes are not infallible in geopolitics, but the degree to which he sweeps under the rug what Pius XII said and did is interesting. Most importantly, his whole argument blaming everyone but Nazi Germany ignore the suppression and hostility by Hitler.”

Pat’s analysis is fair and objective: it is clear that Hitler wanted a war with the Soviet Union, not a war with Poland, and went to war with Poland only because the Poles refused to cede their claim to Danzig.

The only reason there was a war with the West is because Britain and France declared war on Germany over Poland and the only reason they did that is because Chamberlain “guaranteed” the independence of Poland.

What is your response to that? You have claimed that Danzig was “really” part of Germany, when it was a “free city,” and was not part of Germany at all.

“Pius XI and the future Pius XII took the extraordinary step of writing an encyclical, Mit Brennender Sorge, in German, not Latin. The Nazi’s, quite rightly, took great offense to it.”

Let me see here: after the triumph of the Allies, what happened to Catholicism in Europe? What happened to Catholicism in the United States?

How is Catholicism doing now in France? Hitler lost. FDR and Churchill triumphed. Look at Britain today. That is the triumph of Winston Churchill.

“All in all, I suppose some argument could be made that one is a, “committed Catholic,” but would not care to defend the lives and rights to practice Catholicism of others, but just barely. I have my doubts.”

Oh, I see: in your view, “defending Catholicism” means waging a world war against Germany, which resulted in the death of millions of Catholics and the collapse of Catholicism in Europe and its near collapse in the United States, and in your view this was necessary to “protect” the Pope from Hitler, when the only thing that brought German troops into Italy was the Allied invasion.

“Personally, I think Buchanan’s position is despicable, and he give anti-Catholics a bad name.”

LMAO.

Like I said, what happened to Catholicism in the United States? What happened to Catholicism in Spain, Germany, France, Italy, and Ireland?

Catholicism is doing great, right? Just wonderful because Catholicism was saved by firebombing Catholics in Germany, right?

What about German Catholics? How many of them died in the Second World War? How many Catholic women were raped in Poland, Hungary, Austria, Croatia, and Germany by the Red Army?

That’s very pro-Catholic, right? Hungary, Croatia, and Poland under Communist rule for half a century? Communists nearly taking over France and Italy. Millions of dead Catholics in Germany.

Could it have been otherwise? What would have happened if the war mongering idiots like FDR and Churchill hadn’t triumphed? Do we have a clue?

Well, there is Ireland, Spain, Portugal, Switzerland, and Sweden which decided to STAY OUT of the stupid conflict.


82 posted on 11/02/2011 10:15:25 PM PDT by WilliamHouston
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