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To: truth_seeker; okie01; BluesDuke; All
Chavez is named after a 19th century LA councilman, not Cesar Chavez.

Yes, I knew that the name "Chavez Ravine" went quite a way back, and therefore it was obviously named for a Chavez earlier than Cesar Chavez.

The reasons for Mexican nationalist ramifications of the name "Chavez Ravine" do not relate to Cesar Chavez of the agricultural workers union. They relate to accusations of several Mexican-Americans living in the area who were allegedly evicted from their homes by city officials using eminent domain to acquire the land necessary to build Dodger Stadium, during the late 50s or early 60s. That's still a sore spot with some Mexican nationalist radicals and their leftist sympathizers in the media who use the former name "Chavez Ravine" to evoke the history of Mexican-Americans in the area and this still controversial episode, and to emphasize their position that the property was unjustly taken from the Mexican-Americans by the "Anglo" community at large. (There was a TV documentary about this a few years ago.)

I'm challenging you to show me any maps of Los Angeles since shortly after Dodger Stadium was opened in 1962 on which "Chavez Ravine" was used. In the early years of Dodger Stadium, the Dodgers made a conscious PR effort to avoid the use of "Chavez Ravine" (a "ravine" was just a huge hole in the ground and did not reflect favorably on the state-of-the-art new stadium they had built), while their American League tenants from 1962 to 1964, the newly created Los Angeles Angels, would use the name "Chavez Ravine" to irk the Dodgers. So the name of the place was a divisive issue between the two clubs and the two leagues in that time frame. Since then, "Chavez Ravine" has pretty much faded into the dustbin of history and, as I said, off local maps. It should only be used now in historical references.

42 posted on 11/02/2011 9:42:22 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

“I’m challenging you to show me any maps of Los Angeles since shortly after Dodger Stadium was opened in 1962 on which “Chavez Ravine” was used.”

I made no claim about maps. What difference does it make?

The world is just the way that it is. Lost Angeles is just the way it is, also.

I don’t live there, and would not do so of my own free will.

Do you remember Fernando-mania? He was a good player, and brought happiness to fans.

Remember when the people in East Los Angeles cornered the Midnight Stalker, a hispanic psycho from Tejas?

For several decades Los Angeles was just about the most exciting city in the US, faults and all.

Fifty years from now, when I’m long gone, cities will live on, and the USA will still have plenty of problems.

I’m a product and resident of fairly pristine suburbia, more comfortable in smaller places, but I’ve walked the streets of New York, London, Rome, and a few others.

I much prefer California coastal suburbs, faults and all too.

Right now my biggest problem is surviving the effed up economy, not the name of Dodger Stadium.


43 posted on 11/02/2011 11:36:28 PM PDT by truth_seeker (is)
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To: justiceseeker93
I remember Chavez Ravine being used colloquially in writings about the Dodgers for many years, in addition to the Angels' early references before they moved into the original Anaheim Stadium. I haven't seen it used too often, if at all, in the years since. The complete story of how the land was chosen, the stadium was built, and the true actuality of the Chicanos who squatted there, is told in two splendid books, Mr. Neil Sullivan's The Dodgers Move West, and Mr. Michael Shaprio's The Last Good Season: Brooklyn, the Dodgers, and Their Final Pennant Race Together.
44 posted on 11/02/2011 11:50:27 PM PDT by BluesDuke (Another brief interlude from the small apartment halfway up in the middle of nowhere in particular)
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