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Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer Blames Second Amendment For ATF/DOJ Gun Walking Mistakes
Townhall.com ^ | Novemeber 2, 2011 | Katie Pavlich

Posted on 11/02/2011 6:45:37 AM PDT by Kaslin

During a Senate Judiciary subcommittee hearing today on Capitol Hill, Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer, who is facing pressure surrounding his role in the Obama Justice Department’s Operation Fast and Furious, asked for more gun control and blamed law abiding gun shop owners for violence in Mexico.

Breuer declared that nearly 70 percent of guns found in Mexico come from the United States, a figure that has been disproven by the National Rifle Association, FactCheck.org, PolitiFact and by Senator Charles Grassley’s office multiple times.  Also during testimony, Democratic Senator Diane Feinstein pushed for more gun control and Breuer expressed his agreement with her statements that American gun laws are too “lax” and therefore result it more violent crime.

Feinstein asked Breuer if he thought a reporting measure for long gun rifles would be helpful to ATF. Breuer answered yes. Remember, the Department of Justice has already circumvented Congress by requiring the sale of multiple long gun rifles in California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas be reported to the ATF. These new regulations were implemented in early July 2011:

The international expansion and increased violence of transnational criminal networks pose a significant threat to the United States.  Federal, state and foreign law enforcement agencies have determined that certain types of semi-automatic rifles – greater than .22 caliber and with the ability to accept a detachable magazine – are highly sought after by dangerous drug trafficking organizations and frequently recovered at violent crime scenes near the Southwest Border.  This new reporting measure -- tailored to focus only on multiple sales of these types of rifles to the same person within a five-day period -- will improve the ability of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to detect and disrupt the illegal weapons trafficking networks responsible for diverting firearms from lawful commerce to criminals and criminal organizations.  These targeted information requests will occur in Arizona, California, New Mexico, and Texas to help confront the problem of illegal gun trafficking into Mexico and along the Southwest Border.


“The problem is, anybody can walk in [to a gun shop] and buy anything,” Feinstein said.

This comment by Feinstein was particularly disappointing considering during Operation Fast and Furious law abiding gun shop owners expressed deep discomfort with selling massive amounts of high powered weapons to known drug cartel straw purchasers, yet ATF officials told them to do so anyway, saying they would be “serving their country” by helping ATF in the operation.


Breuer said the number one tool he needs is to know when guns are purchased, essentially what can be interpreted as a national reporting measure. What Breuer and Feinstein are missing is this: The Obama Justice Department in partnership with ATF is the largest American supplier of weapons to Mexican drug cartels through Operation Fast and Furious; not law abiding gun shops. See Obama DOJ Gave Cartel Enough Guns to Arm a Marine Regiment.

Also, Breuer tried to claim that when Operation Fast and Furious came to light publically in Spring 2011 through media reports, ATF officials “made it clear” they don’t condone walking guns. Not true, in fact William Newell, ATF Special Agent in Charge of the Phoenix Field Division at the time Operation Fast and Furious was implemented (he has since been promoted to a cushy position in Washington D.C.) and carried out, wouldn’t rule out the idea of conducting another program like Fast and Furious in the future when asked during Congressional testimony in July 2011.


As I wrote in July after a House Oversight Hearing about Fast and Furious:

Former ATF Special Agent in Charge William Newell would not condemn Operation Fast and Furious and allowing guns to walk into Mexico during testimony and questioning. In fact, Newell went so far as to say he was unaware of guns walking into Mexico, despite internal emails showing he did know. Newell admitted the agency made mistakes but would not admit the program was a bad idea and exposed that he was in communication with a member of the White House national security team. His testimony also conflicted with previous testimony given by Special Agent John Dodson of the Phoenix Field Division who said on June 15, “Allowing loads of weapons that we knew to be destined for criminals, this was the plan. It was so mandated.”

“At no time in our strategy was it to allow guns to be taken to Mexico,” Newell said, adding that at no time did his agency allow guns to walk.


“You’re entitled to your opinion, not your own facts,” Issa responded.

Yesterday Breuer came out publically to admit he had made a “mistake” by not telling Attorney General Eric Holder about gun walking that occurred under the Bush Administration through Operation Wide Receiver, saying essentially he should have sounded a warning about gun walking when it started to occur during Fast and Furious, but he remained silent. It is important to point out that under Wide Receiver, there was an effort to track 300 weapons in collaboration with the Mexican Government. Under Operation Fast and Furious, there was no effort to track 2,000 guns that were purposely walked in to Mexico and the Mexican Government was left in the dark about the operation. Today during testimony, Breuer said he, “Didn’t draw the connection,” between the tactics used in the two separate programs, which is hard to believe.


Breuer’s testimony and statements about “not making connections” between two separate but similar gunwalking programs and his claim he never told Attorney General Holder about his concerns or Fast and Furious at all, raise new questions.

Why is Breuer coming out with these revelations now? The House Oversight Committee Investigation into Fast and Furious has been going on for months, yet Breuer all the sudden regrets not sounding the alarm about the dangers of gunwalking when Operation Fast and Furious started in the Fall of 2009? While claiming he never told Attorney General Eric Holder about the program? Although Breuer claims he personally never told Holder about the tactics being used in Fast and Furious, five detailed memos about the lethal program dated July and August 2010 were addressed directly to Holder. Despite Breuer’s testimony, the question of “who authorized Fast and Furious,” remains unanswered.

 

"The American people—and especially the family of murdered Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry—deserve answers from the Justice Department about why they claim they didn’t know gunwalking was occurring in Operation Fast and Furious when the department’s fingerprints are all over it," Senator Grassley said during the hearing.

It looks like someone, Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer, is falling on a sword, and that sword happens to be Eric Holder’s.


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1 posted on 11/02/2011 6:45:38 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

He’s still on the public payroll ?


2 posted on 11/02/2011 6:47:32 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Kaslin

Arizona Sheriff Says 2 Guns Found in Bust Linked to ‘Fast and Furious’

Published November 01, 2011 | Associated Press

An Arizona sheriff says that two guns seized as part of a major drug smuggling bust have been connected to a botched federal investigation known as “Fast and Furious.”

“Fast and Furious” was a controversial Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms’ investigation that lost track of up to 1,400 weapons that were sold in Arizona gun stores to suspected straw buyers for Mexican drug gangs.

A number of guns have been recovered at crime scenes in Mexico and two were found at the scene of a Border Patrol agent’s death.

Now Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu says two more “Fast and Furious” guns have been seized in Arizona from members of the Sinaloa cartel, Mexico’s most powerful.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/01/arizona-sheriff-says-2-guns-found-in-bust-linked-to-fast-and-furious/print#ixzz1cYThYvqr


3 posted on 11/02/2011 6:47:38 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Kaslin
So let's say he's correct. The obvious conclusion would be to have our border closed, with entry / exit points controlled by inspection and declaration.

Works for me.

But whoever in the federal gubmint is getting paid off by the mexican drug cartels to obtain high quality weapons and ammunition will not be happy.

4 posted on 11/02/2011 6:49:27 AM PDT by blackdog (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop)
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To: Kaslin

This has always been about creating a crisis that resulted in a cry for more gun control in the US. Thank God they were caught red-handed.

The Obama Admin has murdered hundreds in their little covert op to discredit constitutional gun ownership in America.

They belong in jail for treachery, treason, and murder.


5 posted on 11/02/2011 6:50:04 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: Kaslin

Yeah Breuer, blame the Constitution for your own stupidity.


6 posted on 11/02/2011 6:50:35 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Kaslin
“The problem is, anybody can walk in [to a gun shop] and buy anything,” Feinstein said.

Correct. It's part of the whole "shall not be infringed" thing.

7 posted on 11/02/2011 6:50:38 AM PDT by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Facts don't matter, the narrative does.

The Gunwalker “scandal” still doesn't get much play because it doesn't server the interests of the Fedgov.

We will wake up with an EO banning guns sooner or later.

8 posted on 11/02/2011 6:51:40 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Kaslin
"“The problem is, anybody can walk in [to a gun shop] and buy anything,” Feinstein said."

Uh, I'd like 5 AK-74's (full auto, of course), 300 RPGs, IED material and some SAMs, and a couple of cruise missles, please.

9 posted on 11/02/2011 6:54:21 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Kaslin

That damned, pesky Constitution!


10 posted on 11/02/2011 6:54:40 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: Kaslin

More like a “True Believer”, imuo.


11 posted on 11/02/2011 6:54:54 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

According to the DoJustUs website, Lanny is a “Visionary” ethicist.


12 posted on 11/02/2011 6:55:40 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Kaslin

New Democrat talking points are out. Feinstein (Fineswine) was spouting this line yesterday.


13 posted on 11/02/2011 6:56:35 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici ("Si, se gimme!")
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To: KeyLargo
An Arizona sheriff says that two guns seized as part of a major drug smuggling bust have been connected to a <botched federal investigation known as “Fast and Furious.”

We cannot let this pass. Fast and furious was NOT A BOTCHED OPERATION. It went per plan and that plan was to move guns to the cartels in Mexico so that the administration could push for stricter gun control laws as these guns were found at crime scenes.

That worked to perfection. Nothing botched here.

And then we discovered that Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was shot to death using one of these guns. That opened the can of worms.

Fast and Furious wasn't botched, it was uncovered.

14 posted on 11/02/2011 6:57:08 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: Kaslin

These are the sort of people OBAMA has surrounded himself with. All of a like mind with their community organizer boss.


15 posted on 11/02/2011 6:58:44 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Kaslin

These people need to be prosecuted after obamao is voted out and those guilty of treason and sedition should face a firirng squad for justice.

LLS


16 posted on 11/02/2011 7:00:59 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: Kaslin
There is no doubt the Obamah Administration wanted American guns in the hands of Mexican drug cartels to bolster their attack on our Constitution's 2nd Amendment!

They wanted to claim Mexican violence were due to American guns in their hands.

And that's exactly what they did and their program has cost many lives, including one of our border agents.

What the ATF and DOJ sanctioned was criminal!

17 posted on 11/02/2011 7:13:58 AM PDT by TexasCajun (Fast & Furious , Solyndra & Light Squared would be enough to impeach any White President !!)
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To: Kaslin
During a Senate Judiciary subcommittee hearing today on Capitol Hill, Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer, who is facing pressure surrounding his role in the Obama Justice Department’s Operation Fast and Furious, asked for more gun control and blamed law abiding gun shop owners for violence in Mexico.

Well, Duh...that was Obama's and Holder's plan all along. Under the radar of course. But they got caught. Jail time please.

18 posted on 11/02/2011 7:22:06 AM PDT by hattend (If I wanted you dead, you'd be dead. - Cameron Connor)
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To: VeniVidiVici

They are always working the media and propaganda. They need to be charged criminally.


19 posted on 11/02/2011 7:22:10 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: Kaslin

“You’re entitled to your opinion, not your own facts,” Issa responded.

LOVE. IT!!

Colonel, USAFR


20 posted on 11/02/2011 7:23:55 AM PDT by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: Paladin2

Not only can the average person, ie, “anybody” NOT buy “anything”,

but the items and quantities bought in this scandal were specifically made allowance for outside the laws that DO apply to “anybody” else.

The ATF specifically told these gunshop dealers to let these suspicious activities go.


21 posted on 11/02/2011 7:25:41 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Kaslin

Another lying punk who needs his ass kicked. A freaking corrupt lawyer shouldn't be lecturing anyone on what laws are needed. He should be following the law himself!

22 posted on 11/02/2011 7:33:13 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Kaslin

Let’s assume these Commie true believers are correct in quoting their hero, Mao - Political power comes from the muzzle of a gun.

Let’s assume that Patriots are correct in their assessment, which includes Mao’s truth as an ultimate statement - Political power is exercised by citizens first at the soap box, then the ballot box, and ultimately, as a last resort, at the ammo box.

Let’s assume the Commies, who have infiltrated our institutions carefully over the past century, have essentially deprived the citizens of a truthful soapbox, and fraudulently co-opted the integrity of the ballot box.

If these assumptions are correct, the only thing standing between the Commies and their dream of destroying and conquering this country - their stated goal - is that pesky little 2nd Amendment, which, BTW was put there in the Constitution exactly as a last line of defense against such tyranny.

Both the true believers and the useful idiots infiltrating our government swore an oath to defend the Constitution. For such people, however, swearing an oath with no intention of keeping it is merely a means, a necessary ruse justified by the end goal.

These people are all traitors. Unfortunately, the institutionalized corruption of Washington will insure that this charge is never brought against them, nor the appropriate sentence carried out.

Therefore, our best hope for now is to continue to use what remains to us of the soap box and the ballot box, and to keep our powder dry. The muzzle of a gun is indeed the ultimate source of political power, and therefore our ultimate defense against tyranny.


23 posted on 11/02/2011 7:39:56 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Kaslin

“Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer...asked for more gun control and blamed law abiding gun shop owners for violence in Mexico.”

You mean a federal regulator wants more regulation of the thing he regulates? In completely unrelated news, recent trick-or-treating kids say they want more treats.


24 posted on 11/02/2011 7:41:34 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Enterprise

God, these people are simply shameless - still sticking to their talking points, months after they’ve been blown out of the water. They must have nearly complete faith in both the gullibility of the American people and the complicity of the mainstream media to keep moving forward with this diseased template (i.e., ‘we need more gun control because guns bought in America are being used by Mexican drug cartels.’)


25 posted on 11/02/2011 7:45:13 AM PDT by Basil Duke
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To: jagusafr

There are two great lines of disdain. One is “You are entitled to your opinion, not your own facts.” The other is “I can’t, I have to rearrange my sock drawer.”


26 posted on 11/02/2011 8:19:40 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: WayneS
“The problem is, anybody can walk in [to a gun shop] and buy anything,”

The problem is, most criminals do not buy their guns in a store, Feinstein!

27 posted on 11/02/2011 8:49:49 AM PDT by NRA1995 (Obama's presidency is shovel-ready; let's bury it in 2012!)
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To: KeyLargo

They - LSM - still insist upon calling it a “botched federal investigation,” don’t they?


28 posted on 11/02/2011 8:52:09 AM PDT by Noumenon (The only 'NO' a liberal understands is the one that arrives at muzzle velocity.)
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To: Kaslin

I’m laughing myself silly from this idiotic statement of the year, as far as I am concerned...

There is absolutely no way we can ever take this administration or this department serious again about anything...

I wish I could walk right up to Holder and Obama and laugh my head off at them, tell them what absolute idiots they really are...And it would be the truth!!!

Lock me up for what??? Telling the truth???

Tell you what...Lemme dial up the volumn some, maybe you didn’t hear me...

Investigate me for what??? Hehehe, Pump up da volumn!!!

Geesh, what interesting times we live in...


29 posted on 11/02/2011 9:20:22 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: kcvl
Another lying punk who needs his ass kicked. A freaking corrupt lawyer shouldn't be lecturing anyone on what laws are needed. He should be following the law himself!?

Another lying traitor who needs to be hanged by the neck until dead...

the infowarrior

30 posted on 11/02/2011 9:20:52 AM PDT by infowarrior
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To: xzins

“...They belong in jail for treachery, treason, and murder...”

Padre, do you REALLY think that’s going to happen?

Way I see it, the two main culprits will walk, and flunkies like Breuer and others will take the fall, like the Good Little Comrade apparachniki they are.

We live in a world where what SHOULD happen doesn’t, and where good people pay the price for what the scum of the Earth do.

I don’t see that changing anytime soon.


31 posted on 11/02/2011 9:21:22 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Kaslin

More proof - as if any more was needed - that the owebama administration is absolutely FULL of corrupt, anti-American d-bags who are truly evil through and through.


32 posted on 11/02/2011 9:21:28 AM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: Kaslin
It looks like someone, Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer, is falling on a sword, and that sword happens to be Eric Holder’s.

Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore!"


33 posted on 11/02/2011 9:26:55 AM PDT by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: NFHale

I don’t expect it to happen. There’s a real possibility some kind of complicity or negligent homicide charge could stick....eventually.


34 posted on 11/02/2011 9:37:48 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: xzins

I hope you are right.


35 posted on 11/02/2011 9:39:01 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale
Way I see it, the two main culprits will walk, and flunkies like Breuer and others will take the fall, like the Good Little Comrade apparachniki they are.

Way I see it, Holder, at least, is impeached next year, IMHO.

IIRC, Issa told Holder last May that Fast & Furios was felony stupid.

36 posted on 11/02/2011 12:05:12 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

“...Way I see it, Holder, at least, is impeached next year, IMHO...”

Again...hope you are correct.

Do You think the leaders-that-be in the GOP have the balls to do it?


37 posted on 11/02/2011 12:17:37 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale
Do You think the leaders-that-be in the GOP have the balls to do it?

If they have them plus brains, they will. This is without a doubt, the biggest political scandal in U.S. history. There are too many dead bodies including two federal agents. A Fast & Furious weapon was traced to Zapata's murder besides Terry's and all of those Mexicans.

Impeaching them in the House should be a no brainer. Except in states where they are safe, up to 16 rat senators that will have to defend a vote not to remove Holder next November. They are behind the eight ball, big time! The Cain witch hunt is just a smoke screen, IMHO.

38 posted on 11/02/2011 1:17:04 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

“...If they have them plus brains, they will. ...”

My friend...this is the first black Attorney General. They’re TERRIFIED of being called “racists” - even though the left calls all of us that on a daily basis.

Grown men afraid of a word...it’s pathetic.

But I do hope to God you are correct on this. I would dearly love to see this racist commie pr*ck frog-marched out in an orange jump suit, and THEN his equally worthless boss.

Time will tell.


39 posted on 11/02/2011 3:08:22 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NRA1995

Feinstein is especially hypocritical on guns. She packs heat but does not think thta any of her subjects should. She is simply a dirty pig.


40 posted on 11/02/2011 5:12:34 PM PDT by jospehm20
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
He’s still on the public payroll ?

Sure. He'll be wanted later, for Operation Strip the Reactionaries Naked.

41 posted on 11/02/2011 6:31:40 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: Paladin2
Uh, I'd like 5 AK-74's (full auto, of course), 300 RPGs, IED material and some SAMs, and a couple of cruise missles, please.

"Would you like some PETN with that?"

42 posted on 11/02/2011 6:33:06 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: WayneS

>>“The problem is, anybody can walk in [to a gun shop] and buy anything,” Feinstein said.
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>Correct. It’s part of the whole “shall not be infringed” thing.

Can I find cannon? Mortar? Self-propelled howitzers? Full-auto M249s?
(In nearly all gun-shops? How about even in *most*?)

“Shall not be infringed,” is today held by the courts to mean “may be restricted as determined by us.”


43 posted on 11/02/2011 7:41:22 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

He just admitted to the motive of the DOJ’s gun running crime. It’s their opposition to the second amendment and their desire to deep six the constitution. Put them on trial!


44 posted on 11/02/2011 7:48:18 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: NFHale

>Do You think the leaders-that-be in the GOP have the balls to do it?

No, I do not.
The GOP didn’t even float the idea of a law* recognizing abortion to be murder when they had Executive and Legislative branches, even as a token showing, to their stated platform-plank of reversing Roe v. Wade.

*— It should be doable via Law, as the Constitution EXPLICITLY denies the federal government the ability to terminate a person’s life w/o trial (5th Amd) which is EXACTLY what Roe v. Wade allows.


45 posted on 11/02/2011 7:49:06 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: xzins

This has always been about creating a crisis that resulted in a cry for more gun control in the US. Thank God they were caught red-handed.

The Obama Admin has murdered hundreds in their little covert op to discredit constitutional gun ownership in America.

They belong in jail for treachery, treason, and murder.

BUMP!


46 posted on 11/02/2011 8:20:37 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: xzins; InterceptPoint; LibLieSlayer; TexasCajun; opentalk; kcvl; dagogo redux; infowarrior; ...

“They belong in jail for treachery, treason, and murder.”

“Fast and Furious wasn’t botched, it was uncovered.”

“These people need to be prosecuted after obamao is voted out and those guilty of treason and sedition should face a firirng squad for justice.”

“What the ATF and DOJ sanctioned was criminal!”

“Another lying traitor who needs to be hanged by the neck until dead...”

“These people are all traitors.”

“Another lying punk who needs his ass kicked.”

“They need to be charged criminally.”

“This is without a doubt, the biggest political scandal in U.S. history.”

BUMP! BUMP! BUMP! BUMP! BUMP! BUMP! BUMP! BUMP! BUMP!

AGREE


47 posted on 11/03/2011 8:31:56 PM PDT by PGalt
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