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Local Pediatricians Refusing To See Non-Vaccinated Patients
KDKA - Pittsburgh ^ | 11/2/2011

Posted on 11/04/2011 4:28:40 AM PDT by surroundedbyblue

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) — Chris Barnes, 11, is getting his latest round of vaccinations for measles and tetanus.

“It doesn’t really scare me as much as other people, it’s just a shot,” he said.

Without regular immunizations, Chris would be turned away at his pediatrician’s office.

Dr. Wayne Yankus refuses to see patients unless they follow the government recommended immunization schedule.

(Excerpt) Read more at pittsburgh.cbslocal.com ...


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Um, Dr. A-hole can keep his poison to himself. These vaccines are contaminated with God knows what in addition to containing DNA from aborted fetuses. I think parents DO have the absolute right to refuse that crap.
1 posted on 11/04/2011 4:28:40 AM PDT by surroundedbyblue
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To: surroundedbyblue
Um, Dr. A-hole can keep his poison to himself. These vaccines are contaminated with God knows what in addition to containing DNA from aborted fetuses. I think parents DO have the absolute right to refuse that crap.

I never cease to be amazed by willfully ignorant FReepers. Keep your un-vaccinated self and un-vaccinated child away from my family.

Vaccines are safe.
2 posted on 11/04/2011 4:31:24 AM PDT by TSgt (whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive...it is the Right of the People to abolish it.)
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To: surroundedbyblue

His practice, his business. Unvaccinated patients should look for a different pediatrician. I know I wouldn’t go to a doctor who had a totally different approach to medical care from my own.


3 posted on 11/04/2011 4:34:21 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm sure your dog likes you.)
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To: surroundedbyblue

Does the schedule include Gardasil, I wonder.....


4 posted on 11/04/2011 4:37:47 AM PDT by mewzilla (Forget a third party. We need a second one.)
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To: surroundedbyblue

The crap, the absolute drivel is your fear and paranoia turned into posted words


5 posted on 11/04/2011 4:38:19 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: Tax-chick

Yep. I’d find another Dr, and this guy is free to practice as he wants

However, one must admit there’s no truth in advertising when it comes to vaccines.


6 posted on 11/04/2011 4:38:35 AM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: TSgt

Tell that to parents of vaccine-injured kids


7 posted on 11/04/2011 4:39:22 AM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: surroundedbyblue

Dr. Wayne Yankus refuses to see patients unless they follow the government recommended immunization schedule.

And we all know the Government can be trusted and that it never gets anything wrong!


8 posted on 11/04/2011 4:39:27 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: surroundedbyblue

Some vaccines are safer than others. I’m not interested in forcing young men to have Gardasil, which allegedly protects women from HPV and maybe cervical cancer and has side effects. This MD certainly has an attitude, but we live in America and still have a choice where to spend our money.


9 posted on 11/04/2011 4:41:59 AM PDT by Pat4ever
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To: surroundedbyblue

I can fully understand the doctor’s position. An unvaccinated child who comes down with one of those diseases that should have been vaccinated against is a danger to other children.

Just yesterday, I read about a little girl who almost died of a normally preventable illness because she doesn’t respond to vaccines. That little girl’s life depends on herd immunity (where others are vaccinated, decreasing her chances of encountering a contagious person)..

I also read about a baby who died of whooping cough that it contracted a week before its scheduled vaccinations. Very young babies are only safe if everyone around them is vaccinated.

I also tried to watch a video of children suffering from whooping cough. I say tried, because it was impossible for me to watch those poor kids who were fighting so hard to breathe, and I had to turn the video off.


10 posted on 11/04/2011 4:43:43 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: surroundedbyblue
People like to think in absolutes, such as your post about "vaccines are poison."

Cautious accuracy - "Most common vaccines have been shown, over time, to be safe for all but a very few recipients. Against the statistically-tiny risk of significant harm from vaccines, we must compare the risk of harm from contracting the relevant disease." - does not generate much of a thrill.

11 posted on 11/04/2011 4:45:37 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm sure your dog likes you.)
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To: surroundedbyblue
Tell that to parents of vaccine-injured kids

Consider the liability for the physician to expose newborns to willfully non-vaccinated older kids in his office.

12 posted on 11/04/2011 4:46:02 AM PDT by NautiNurse (That's the sound of the men workin' on the Cain gang)
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To: surroundedbyblue

There are altogether too many people who never lived through the times before vaccines for childhood diseases.
I remember a polio outbreak in school about a year or two before the Salk vaccine; my parents kept us home for 2 weeks. Two of my classmates wound up with paralysis and confined to wheelchairs.

People today have never seen whooping cough, measles, rubella, and so many other diseases. The are protected, spoiled and full of themselves.


13 posted on 11/04/2011 4:47:38 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Defeat Obama. End Obama's War On Freedom.)
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To: TSgt
Keep your un-vaccinated self and un-vaccinated child away from my family.

If your family is vaccinated against those diseases, what do you have to fear from contact with the un-vaccinated?

Just sayin'.

14 posted on 11/04/2011 4:50:55 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: BuffaloJack
People today have never seen whooping cough, measles, rubella, and so many other diseases.

Not even doctors have seen all those. My youngest son developed a rash that looked like measles to me. My older kids had had it, but none of my younger ones had. The doctor I saw to confirm measles (my son had other health issues, so I needed to know) admitted she had never seen measles in real life. It took another two doctors to decide it was in fact measles.

15 posted on 11/04/2011 4:58:45 AM PDT by Vor Lady (Everyone should read The Importance of the Electoral College by Geo. Grant)
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To: surroundedbyblue
I hope you never have to watch a child die from whooping cough.

Keep up your good fight and convince others to think as you do and one fine day, you'll watch it.

16 posted on 11/04/2011 5:16:38 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (I wish someone would tell me what "ditty wah ditty" means.)
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To: BuffaloJack
People today have never seen whooping cough, measles, rubella, and so many other diseases.

You're right. They take their good health for granted even though it's largely because others had the common sense to be vaccinated. I was born just after the discovery of the polio vaccine, but I remember well the epidemics of measles, mumps, whooping cough and chicken pox that swept through our family.

My poor Dad caught the mumps from us when he was 40. He'd somehow missed it as a child. He told us they were too poor during the Depression to have mumps.

17 posted on 11/04/2011 5:18:33 AM PDT by BfloGuy (Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
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To: TSgt; surroundedbyblue
surroundedbyblue: "Dr. A-hole can keep his poison to himself. These vaccines are contaminated with God knows what in addition to containing DNA from aborted fetuses. I think parents DO have the absolute right to refuse that crap."

TSgt: "I never cease to be amazed by willfully ignorant FReepers. Keep your un-vaccinated self and un-vaccinated child away from my family."

Me: TSgt, if vaccines are safe and effective, what do you care if no one else get's one? If they work, aren't you and your family protected? So why concern yourself with others who don't have the vaccine.?

18 posted on 11/04/2011 5:22:35 AM PDT by JakeS (I have never had a flu shot and I have never had the flu.)
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To: mewzilla
Does the schedule include Gardasil, I wonder.....

Let me answer your question with a question. Does a drug pusher with an MD after his or her name make money off giving gardasil shots?

19 posted on 11/04/2011 5:25:19 AM PDT by JakeS (I have never had a flu shot and I have never had the flu.)
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To: savedbygrace; TSgt
If your family is vaccinated against those diseases, what do you have to fear from contact with the un-vaccinated?

Just sayin'.


Because different vaccines have different lengths of time over which they are effective and different degrees of effectiveness. If you get a large enough inoculum of a disease organism, your immune system, though previously inoculated, can be overwhelmed. And in a doctor's office, where there may be patients with compromised immune systems, someone coming in with a full-blown contagious disease as a result of failure to vaccinate poses an deadly threat.

A vaccination is like a kevlar vest. It'll stop a lot of shots, but that doesn't mean it's impregnable.
20 posted on 11/04/2011 5:27:26 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: All

For those of you critical of my viewpoint: I’m not denying that SOME vaccines are ok, however many are not ethically produced & contain aborted fetal cells. And, most contain contaminants as well as a peanut-oil base. There is speculation (yes I realize it’s only speculation) mounting about the enormous spike in peanut allergies since these vaccines have been manufactured w/ a peanut oil base. So are these things disclosed to parents? No. And if your child develops an anaphylactic reaction to nuts, endangering their life on a daily basis, would you still consider these vaccines safe??

My point is that this physician is not allowing parents to make an informed choice. Instead, he’s spouting government propaganda. And I’m surprised that FReepers have been more critical of my view than of dome authoritarian jerk.


21 posted on 11/04/2011 5:29:14 AM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: surroundedbyblue

You apparently are not old enough (under 50) to remember the polio clinics with iron lungs or the measels epidemics that killed and maimed thousands or the mumps epidemics or the whoopi cough outbreaks. Made up stories about what is in vaccines do not help. Lack of knowledge that is your dilemma


22 posted on 11/04/2011 5:34:19 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: surroundedbyblue
this physician is not allowing parents to make an informed choice

Bosh. Every person receiving a vaccine or the parent of such person receives a page, front-and-back, detailing the operation and the known risks of the vaccine, along with information about what to do and whom to inform if the recipient has a negative reaction.

Dr. Whosis is mandated by law to distribute this form and receive written approval before administering a vaccine. Anyone who, after receiving this information, decides not to vaccinate himself or a child has the choice to go to another medical practice for care.

As I said above, who wants a doctor with a conflicting view of medicine?

23 posted on 11/04/2011 5:35:09 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm sure your dog likes you.)
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To: surroundedbyblue
Chris Barnes, 11, is getting his latest round of vaccinations for measles and tetanus.

“It doesn’t really scare me as much as other people, it’s just a shot,” he said.


Without the vaccine and getting measles, Chris has a 1 in 1000 chance of developing encephalitis. He has overall a 1 in 500 chance of dying. With a vaccination, he has a 1 in 1,000,000 chance of an adverse reaction.

As far as "aborted fetuses" goes, the vaccine does not contain DNA from aborted fetuses. The rubella virus is cultured in human cell lines. Some of these cell lines are cells that were cultured from tissues obtained from abortions in the 1960s. And you have no idea of the reasons for those abortions. They may have been for tubal pregnancies or some other similar medical emergency. At any rate, no new abortions are required to maintain these lines or to make the vaccines.

You may as well swear off the use of electricity because of all the people getting killed in coal mining. You're benefiting from their deaths. You could claim that it is immoral to benefit from the death of an innocent fetus. But it is also immoral to willfully put a child in greater danger of death and damage by diseases by refusing to have him immunized. Pro-choice? But that choice, just like in abortion, primarily puts him in danger, not you. A pretty expensive salve for your conscience.
24 posted on 11/04/2011 5:40:06 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: surroundedbyblue

The phisician is free to see whom he wants. There is NO requirement that he treat according to your view point. If you disagree with your doc get a new one. There is not yet a government mandate that medicine be practised a specific way.

Your scientific and historical ignorance is astonishing but no longer surprising. you probably buy the idea that there is mercury in vassinces too


25 posted on 11/04/2011 5:40:12 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: surroundedbyblue

I don’t have a problem with standard vaccines as it goes.

I do think we do not use much vigilance in demanding to know what else is in the vaccines and how could it or multiple shots of it, adversely affect kids.

We have a very corrupt government who doesn’t really deal in good faith anymore.

Anything they mandate is very suspect.

If we don’t look out for ourselves, nobody else will.


26 posted on 11/04/2011 5:41:18 AM PDT by dforest
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To: aruanan

Thank you for bringing rationality to the hysterical


27 posted on 11/04/2011 5:41:18 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: TomB
Um, Dr. A-hole can keep his poison to himself. These vaccines are contaminated with God knows what in addition to containing DNA from aborted fetuses. I think parents DO have the absolute right to refuse that crap.

We're being overrun by the illiterate and unscientific again on the matter of vaccination.
28 posted on 11/04/2011 5:41:25 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: JakeS

Its a control thing.


29 posted on 11/04/2011 5:44:08 AM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: aruanan

I got a flu shot last week and caught autism from it.


30 posted on 11/04/2011 5:52:19 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: aruanan

Thank you.

The ignorance here with regard to vaccines is incredible and dangerous.

Very few folks suffer side effects.


31 posted on 11/04/2011 5:56:51 AM PDT by TSgt (whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive...it is the Right of the People to abolish it.)
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To: Rich21IE
Its a control thing.

I think that's the crux of it. There is always going to be someone, or some entity, that wants to force you either to put things into your body that you don't want there, or prevent you from putting things into your body that you do want there.

For my part, I avoid vaccination wherever my own cost/benefit analysis tells me. I don't have any fears of being poisoned by a vaccine per se but I am very concerned about the unseen consequences of having my immunity diverted and being subject to an opportunistic infection or other disease process that my immune system would ordinarily have fought off on its own.

We have medical organizations and drug companies now suggesting that we be vaccinated for every condition under the sun. They push these vaccinations on an unwary public, and use social and economic leverage wherever possible to induce people to submit to having their bodies filled with all kinds of substances, the long-term effects of which may not be fully known.

32 posted on 11/04/2011 5:57:09 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Vor Lady

My daughter also had measles. I think the fact that she was vaccinated helped her. It was mild case.

I do trust the older vaccines - the basics - but anything new gives me pause. All medications have side effects and there is a risk/benefit analysis that needs to be done.

It is much better to vaccinate your kid than risk polio. However the anthrax tests they’re thinking about doing on kids now is probably not. Risk/benefit.

I was able to prevent then from getting the HEP-B until they were older and the vaccine could establish a good track record.

I’d probably even hold back on a general cancer vaccine if they ever develop one. (I guess they did with Gardasil.) As my kids’ pediatrician said, it takes ten years in the general population before the real side effects are known and recognized. Just hold back for a few years and watch before jumping on the bandwagon. (He said that this applied to ALL medications, including vaccinations. This was the advice given when I asked him for the Chicken Pox vaccine for my kids right after it came out.)


33 posted on 11/04/2011 5:58:53 AM PDT by Marie (Cain 9s Have Teeth)
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To: TSgt
"Keep your un-vaccinated self and un-vaccinated child away from my family."

Thank you for vaccinating your family to protect society from the diptherea, cholera, polio, etc. raging through our nation.

Cuz that's what the vaccinations are for, to protect others from the little disease vectors, ...in mommie's arm; down at the local open air grocery market; next to the open-air garbage pits and sewers harboring all those 19th century epidemic diseases ...most of which only exist in textbooks nowadays.

Do the math:

Probabability of contracting dipthera, cholera, polio, smallpox, etc.: ~ <0.001%.

Probability of SIDS, brain damage, damaged immune system, ADHD, etc. ~ >5%.

You-Make-The-Call

34 posted on 11/04/2011 6:13:06 AM PDT by Justa
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To: TSgt; surroundedbyblue

Some people think that vaccines never cause any harm, some people think they’re the devil incarnate; probably the truth is somewhere in the middle. Just as all medications don’t work for all people and can actually cause damage, some people have horrible reactions to vaccines. To think that everyone responds the same to every foreign thing that is introduced to their body is illogical.

If you think there’s nothing wrong with vaccines then by all means, get vaccinated and keep up to date with boosters and you shouldn’t have anything to worry about from the people who choose not to get vaccinated.

I don’t have a problem with all vaccines, but the ever increasing number of them is troublesome. I also find the combining of different vaccines troublesome. Studies are done on the individual vaccines, but none on the combo shots. Hep B for a baby? Makes no sense. Pertussis for a baby? Probably makes sense, but wears off after approx. 5 years. So go get revaccinated, if you’re afraid of your 5 year old coming down with Whooping Cough, even though by then if they’re generally healthy their immune systems are strong enough to fight the bacteria.

In this case, go find a doctor that will listen to your concerns about vaccines and work with you to come up with a reasonable alternative.


35 posted on 11/04/2011 6:14:00 AM PDT by Roos_Girl (The world is full of educated derelicts. - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: Justa

Hey medical and mathematical genius! You just proved my point! Vaccines are the REASON why the probability of contracting those diseases are so low! Stop vaccinating and watch those diseases come back with a vengeance.

I really used to believe the intellect on this forum was of a higher caliber than DU but these days I’m not so sure...


36 posted on 11/04/2011 6:17:53 AM PDT by TSgt (whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive...it is the Right of the People to abolish it.)
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To: Justa

Once Nearly Eradicated, Vaccine-Preventable Diseases Return to U.S.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Health/story?id=2265873&page=1

Childhood diseases return as parents refuse vaccines
http://yourlife.usatoday.com/health/medical/story/2011/06/Childhood-diseases-return-as-parents-refuse-vaccines/48414234/1

I believe Google has a text to speech application if you need these articles to be read to you.


37 posted on 11/04/2011 6:19:38 AM PDT by TSgt (whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive...it is the Right of the People to abolish it.)
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To: Roos_Girl

Here’s the key:

Don’t get a bunch of vaccines at once, spread them out over a period of time.

There are still instances where you have Guillain-Barre reactions however they are rare.

I’ve dealt with all the above.


38 posted on 11/04/2011 6:23:45 AM PDT by TSgt (whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive...it is the Right of the People to abolish it.)
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To: aruanan

“And in a doctor’s office, where there may be patients with compromised immune systems”

If your doctor’s office is full of a bunch of sick patients with ‘compromised immune systems’ I highly recommend getting another doctor.


39 posted on 11/04/2011 6:28:50 AM PDT by Justa
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To: TSgt

I agree, but spreading them out is not what the CDC protocol is, and therefore this doctor would probably consider you unvaccinated and “fire” you. For example, the CDC chart shows a 2 month old getting 8 vaccines at one appointmemt; Hep B, RV, DTap, Hib, PCV & IPV. DTaP is a combo that covers 3 diseases.


40 posted on 11/04/2011 6:31:25 AM PDT by Roos_Girl (The world is full of educated derelicts. - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: Roos_Girl

Exactly, this is why we spread them out for our 2 month old. I don’t mean over a year but over a series of weeks. Let the immune system deal with the vaccinations, get back up to full speed and then move on with the next round.


41 posted on 11/04/2011 6:33:20 AM PDT by TSgt (whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive...it is the Right of the People to abolish it.)
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To: exDemMom
An unvaccinated child who comes down with one of those diseases that should have been vaccinated against is a danger to other children.

As far as I'm concerned the Dr. can run his practice as he pleases. But, how is an unvaccinated child a risk to one who is vaccinated? If the vaccine works, the vaccinated child is immune to the disease. Exposure so a measles carrying child should pose zero risk to the vaccinated child, ...if the vaccine works.

42 posted on 11/04/2011 6:35:05 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: The_Victor

so = to


43 posted on 11/04/2011 6:36:24 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: surroundedbyblue

Fr. Wayne Yankus?

Are they kidding??

I object to mandatory immunization programs, but support the right of any doctor to treat or not treat a patient based on issues of conscience. There are other doctors who feel differently on the matter and patients should see one of them if so inclined.


44 posted on 11/04/2011 6:37:59 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: TSgt

Sorry, but I have accessed information you will never have access to: criminal investigation responses of healthcare professionals following the death of their infant vaccination patients. I asked the questions, they gave the answers. You’re wrong. It’s a Faustian deal. They admitted it and confirmed a direct correlation of vaccinations to SIDs.


45 posted on 11/04/2011 6:38:28 AM PDT by Justa
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To: Nifster

“”You apparently are not old enough (under 50) to remember the polio clinics with iron lungs or the measels epidemics that killed and maimed thousands or the mumps epidemics or the whoopi cough outbreaks. Made up stories about what is in vaccines do not help. Lack of knowledge that is your dilemma””

Find one person on FR who is OVER 50 by about 25 years and then ask who hasn’t had measles, mumps, chickenpox, whooping cough etc.

I think you may know a little something about “making up stories.” Educate yourself - plenty of information out there for anyone who will put the kool-aid down for a minute.


46 posted on 11/04/2011 6:39:19 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: TSgt

Okay, but why do that if there’s absolutely nothing wrong with vaccines? You’re not following the government recommended schedule. It’s okay for you to follow a schedule that *you* choose for your child, but not for someone else?

I’m just playing devil’s advocate here. You have your reasons for spacing things out, I’m not sure those reasons are any more valid than someone else who chooses to space out over months instead of weeks.

The point is, whether you space out over weeks or months or years, you’re not following government protocol and in this doctor’s eyes should be “fired”.


47 posted on 11/04/2011 6:42:02 AM PDT by Roos_Girl (The world is full of educated derelicts. - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: Roos_Girl

“”I don’t have a problem with all vaccines, but the ever increasing number of them is troublesome””

The number of doses of vaccines in the childhood vaccination schedule has TRIPLED over the past 30 years - from 23 doses of 7 different vaccines in 1980 to 69 doses of 16 different vaccines in 2010.

Does anyone here believe this won’t just keep increasing - using all children as guinea pigs? Most vaccines are tested by the vaccine manufacturers and our fabulous government signs off on them. There is too much information and research done by independent entities to believe there is anything great about the pushing of these PHARMACEUTICAL products! Always FOLLOW THE MONEY!


48 posted on 11/04/2011 6:48:37 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: Tax-chick
I know I wouldn’t go to a doctor who had a totally different approach to medical care from my own.

I filed a complaint and demanded a different doctor after a new one started questioning the kids if we had guns in the house, how dangerous they were and then started slipping in things about our mental states. I let it go on just to see where she was headed and enjoyed every minute of it. The kids were handling her well enough on their own by giving her weird looks and barely answering. Imagine her pursed lips when the one got fed up and told her dad carried a gun at work. She was gone from the clinic a few months later.

49 posted on 11/04/2011 6:49:05 AM PDT by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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To: bgill

Good for you! This hasn’t happened to us, but I would quickly change doctors or practices.

I used an obstetrics group in one pregnancy where one of the doctors was quite rude about my having (at that time) my 7th child. Although I only saw him a couple of times, and the other doctors and staff were perfectly pleasant, I did not go back to that practice for subsequent pregnancies.


50 posted on 11/04/2011 6:57:38 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm sure your dog likes you.)
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