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To: allmendream

“Based upon what?”

What’s the source for your claim that the 100 deaths are of healthy individuals, and not immune compromised. You made this claim, and since this is your field, I presume you have a source ready.

Or perhaps, you’re hoping that your vast expertise will be sufficient. Your call.

“I don’t believe any vaccine should be mandatory.”

Really? You don’t believe that DPT or MMR should be mandatory? And you’re an immunologist? What’s your rationale for not requiring DPT or MMR? I think there’s solid science behind recommending all 6 be mandatory.

“My argument has been the same throughout - your statement that it makes no sense to vaccinate a perfectly healthy person is absolutely ignorant.”

The problem is that I never made this claim. Never did. You’re arguing with yourself and not me. All I ever said is that I didn’t believe that we should be inoculating against chicken pox.

“Thanks for the LATE clarification that you are ONLY talking about chicken pox.”

FFS, I refer you to the earlier post in the thread, where I said, exactly this. I am glad you are finally admitting that you were wrong about what I said. Just to think, had you actually done what I asked and read up on the thread, you could have saved yourself considerable consternation.

“With the clarification that it was ONLY about chicken pox it is still ignorant drivel.”

And then we get back to the other argument.

“There IS a good reason to vaccinate against chicken pox, because the disease can cause scarring,pneumonia, encephalitis,and even death. And NOT just in the immune compromised.”

Did you just look up the list of scary complications? Is it likely to do any of these? No.

There’s no justification to vaccinate against an overwhelmingly benign disease that isn’t a threat to public health. End stop.

BTW, I’m still waiting for you to acknowledge my point about herd immunity for diptheria and herd immunity for influenza. There is a difference, right?


83 posted on 11/07/2011 2:23:18 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: BenKenobi

Your failure to provide a source when asked about a VERY SPECIFIC claim is justified because I failed to provide a source for the claim that there were around 100 chicken pox deaths a year in the USA prior to vaccination?

Here is my source.

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/969773-overview

Where is your source that “all or almost all” of these were immune compromised?

I didn’t bring up my “vast expertise”, you asked.

I see how this works for idiots without credentials - they ask “what are yours?” and if you HAVE them - then you are merely arguing from authority (preposterous as I never tried to validate my statements through my own authority) - and if you do NOT have any - then you are arguing from ignorance (as BenKenobi is).

I don’t think ANY vaccine should be mandatory because I don’t see that as one of the limited and enumerated power given to government.

Chicken pox is not benign. If that is the basis of your preposterous argument that there is no reason to vaccinate a healthy person (for chicken pox ONLY you clarify later) then it is absolutely based upon ignorance.

ONLY healthy people should be vaccinated.

Ideal health is when someone should be vaccinated.

Sick people should not be vaccinated.

This is not difficult for an intelligent person to understand. But I can see where you would have a lot of trouble with the concept.


85 posted on 11/07/2011 2:41:00 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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