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The Venom in Feds' Vaccinations
Townhall.com ^ | November 8, 2011 | Chuck Norris

Posted on 11/08/2011 3:56:12 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 1 in 110 children have autism spectrum disorders, which is strikingly more than just two decades ago.

"Autism spectrum disorder" as a classification hasn't even made it into the DSM-V, though it'll be in the 2013 edition. Two decades ago no one was talking about "autism spectrum disorder." Back then there was:
Autistic Disorder,
Asperger’s Disorder,
Childhood Disintegrative Disorder, and
Pervasive Developmental Disorder Not Otherwise Specified.
It's this last one that is a catch-all for everything else that doesn't meet the more rigidly defined categories above. It may very well be that the "big increase" in autism is reflective of a greater willingness of doctors and others to stick something they can't otherwise categorize into this "Not Otherwise Specified" category. That doesn't at all mean there is a growing number of children "with" a Not Otherwise Specified disorder but that there are more that are being assigned to that category. People used to refer to someone suffering from a "wasting disease." This descriptive category is now replaced by various types of cancer and other diseases that cause "wasting." Pervasive Developmental Disorder Not Otherwise Specified is such a category. The number of people in it depend on how often something is described as a "pervasive developmental disorder."
41 posted on 11/08/2011 5:32:59 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Shannon
From reading your comment it would appear that you think that any mother who helps her child through a medical issue is worthless unless she's got a science degree. Brilliant.

No, I think that any person who deems themselves an "expert", which she is doing, based solely on being a mother, is sadly deluded. Especially when the advice she gives out is so out of step with real medical experts.

Stick the other foot in, bud.

My God. How old are you?

42 posted on 11/08/2011 5:37:57 PM PST by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: TomB

More nuttiness.


43 posted on 11/08/2011 5:37:58 PM PST by aruanan
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To: aruanan
More nuttiness.

With at "hostile" cherry on top.

44 posted on 11/08/2011 5:52:35 PM PST by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: TomB

The “real medical experts” have done a whole lot to cure autism, haven’t they? Not. Educate yourself before you go bashing people who have found a way to help their children with autism.


45 posted on 11/08/2011 5:53:54 PM PST by Shannon
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To: Shannon
The “real medical experts” have done a whole lot to cure autism, haven’t they? Not. Educate yourself before you go bashing people who have found a way to help their children with autism.

Interesting, she has found a "cure" for autism, and is isn't being reported in any news service?

No, she says she "cured" her child, but presents no evidence.

Why do you find her so credible? Is it her big boobs? Skinny waist (did you see how much she slimmed down after her last child!!)? How about that new hair style?! Tell us. What makes Dr. Jenny such a savant?

47 posted on 11/08/2011 6:24:22 PM PST by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: TomB

Boy, not only are you hostile, now you’re getting crude. Frankly you’re acting like a bully.


48 posted on 11/08/2011 7:27:28 PM PST by Shannon
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To: Kaslin
The increase of vaccines given to infants who don’t have a mature immune system yet borders on criminal to me...The infant cannot handle the vaccines that now they are by law given...just like vaccination against hepatitis, which has zero chance of getting hepatitis...If I had small children today I would refuse quite a few of those vaccinations...Polio-yes, it is a childhood disease. Pertussion yes, it can be fatal in a child...Tetanus yes, easy for a baby to get a puncture wound. Diphtheria yes it is a child killer. DPT plus polio are good, all are child killers...Every vaccine carries some risk, the risk of getting those disease's causing death, are greater than the risk of untoward side effects that are a rare exception, yet they occur and its sad for that child..
49 posted on 11/08/2011 8:06:38 PM PST by goat granny
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The infant cannot handle the vaccines that now they are by law given...

Can you be more specific please? What, specifically, is in the vaccines that an infant's immune system can't handle?

50 posted on 11/09/2011 3:19:09 AM PST by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: exDemMom
most of the genuine autistic children were institutionalized in the 60s, but the institutionalization rate has been dropping, of course you will run into more autistic children.

there just aren't as many children with developmental disorders these days, making the remaining ones stand out.

I sympathize with your properly seeking to avoid the tinfoil-hat thing. But at the same time, administrator-types will try both of these (opposite) explanations to try to convince you that you're not seeing what you're seeing. Sometimes they're correct, and sometimes they're not. I'm not talking about seeing kids at the mall (there were no malls, now that I think of it). In both periods, I'm talking about families I know or knew in small towns where there's really nowhere to hide your secrets. They didn't have institutionalized children. As I said, we may or may not have a handle on the cause, but I'm seeing more of it, and the observations of others confirm my impression.

51 posted on 11/09/2011 5:35:56 AM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: TomB

Been a while. Yeah the same crop always shows up. Hope you’re hail healthy and hearty.


52 posted on 11/09/2011 7:28:26 AM PST by discostu (How Will I Laugh Tomorrow When I Can't Even Smile Today)
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To: discostu
Hope you’re hail healthy and hearty.

Fully up to date with my vaccines, so good to go!

Fell free to ping me to any of these threads.

Have a good one.

53 posted on 11/09/2011 7:53:56 AM PST by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: TomB

It seems that its not what is in the vaccines, but in the total number given that can compromise an immature immune system...but that is just my opinion on the number given..


54 posted on 11/09/2011 11:44:27 AM PST by goat granny
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It seems that its not what is in the vaccines, but in the total number given that can compromise an immature immune system...but that is just my opinion on the number given..

So it is the active ingredient in vaccines (i.e. the "stuff that makes it a vaccine) that infants are getting too much of?

55 posted on 11/09/2011 12:13:23 PM PST by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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Read what I wrote, its the NUMBER of vaccines given to an infant that can overwhelm the immature infants system..I did NOT speak of the “stuff” as you put it, that is in the vaccine. What I said is obiviously not what you read. Try again to read my first sentence..


56 posted on 11/09/2011 12:20:32 PM PST by goat granny
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To: goat granny; aruanan
Read what I wrote, its the NUMBER of vaccines given to an infant that can overwhelm the immature infants system..I did NOT speak of the “stuff” as you put it, that is in the vaccine. What I said is obiviously not what you read. Try again to read my first sentence..

OK, let's try this. The active ingredient in a vaccine is a antigen (actually proteins and polysaccharides). That is the thing that activates the child's immune system. So that is what you feel "overwhelms" the system.

That said, it is worth looking at the total number of those antigens in the vaccine schedule. You see, vaccines are always being improved. It is now the case that the total number of antigens in the vaccine schedule (around 130) is less than the old Smallpox vaccine alone (200) and much lower than the total in 1980 (over 3000!). So it is clear that we are not overwhelming the immune system with the number of vaccines given.

Hope this helps.

57 posted on 11/09/2011 1:00:00 PM PST by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: TomB

Doesn’t help me, I didn’t ask for your help, your the one that asked the question. Hope you have now answered your own question to me to your satisfaction...


58 posted on 11/09/2011 1:06:46 PM PST by goat granny
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To: goat granny
Doesn’t help me, I didn’t ask for your help, your the one that asked the question. Hope you have now answered your own question to me to your satisfaction...

How can it not?!

I gave you the facts concerning vaccines. Don't you believe them? Do you have any competing facts to support your assertion?

59 posted on 11/09/2011 1:19:20 PM PST by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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Not to get too personal Tom, I have grandkids that have graduated university, more than I and personally am not interested in a discussion on vaccines.

I won't even let the doctor give me flu shot and it drives him nuts seeing that I have COPD, unstable angina, came up with eczema at the age of 72 for the first time in my life, and have insomnia. That insomnia is why I am sometimes on F.R. at 5am... But when some of the grandkids were babies I was amazed at the amount of vaccines they received as infants.

When my kids were infants it was DPT, polio, small pox and the last child didn't even get a small pox vaccination cause the doctor said there was a greater chance of having a bad reaction than getting small pox as there had been no case of it in the US for years...She is in her 40's and still has not had a vaccination for small pox. It would only be necessary if she were to leave the country....

That is the reason I am not interested in getting into a disagreement on vaccines, pro and con. :O)

Time for my evening coffee and cigarette...have a great evening... GG

60 posted on 11/09/2011 3:38:06 PM PST by goat granny
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