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To: Patrick1; wmfights; P-Marlowe
Obamacare got routed in Ohio!

That is the proof that the union bill was not about Obama or supporting Obama.

Kasich was terribly served by the Ohio Legislature that loaded that legislation up with all kinds of junk. Honest to goodness, they tried to spell out HOW evaluations would be done on workers. It was silly. It got so much into the weeds that it even had students evaluating teachers. Honest to goodness. ("student satisfaction, which may be measured by surveys,questionnaires, or other forms of soliciting feedback")

Sen Tom Niehaus, a wheeler-dealer, helped construct a bill that would never pass.

Had this been a clean bill just about collective bargaining over pay and pensions this would have passed by a landslide.

The media is going to present this as some kind of triumph for Obama. The truth will be that Ohioans looked at this over-reaching bill and rejected because it was a monstrosity.

78 posted on 11/08/2011 7:22:13 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: xzins

xzins wrote:

“Obamacare got routed in Ohio!

That is the proof that the union bill was not about Obama or supporting Obama.

Kasich was terribly served by the Ohio Legislature that loaded that legislation up with all kinds of junk. Honest to goodness, they tried to spell out HOW evaluations would be done on workers. It was silly. It got so much into the weeds that it even had students evaluating teachers. Honest to goodness. (”student satisfaction, which may be measured by surveys,questionnaires, or other forms of soliciting feedback”)

Sen Tom Niehaus, a wheeler-dealer, helped construct a bill that would never pass.

Had this been a clean bill just about collective bargaining over pay and pensions this would have passed by a landslide.

The media is going to present this as some kind of triumph for Obama. The truth will be that Ohioans looked at this over-reaching bill and rejected because it was a monstrosity.”

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This is perhaps the best post I’ve read all night and I believe it hits the nail on the head. I had a thoughtful discussion on the phone with my mother last night who is a very hard-working Ohio public high school teacher. She is also a very staunch conservative who finds herself frequently at odds politically with her die-hard liberal colleagues because she values things like state solvency over teacher and union special interests.

However, she did express to me that she was very displeased with the numerous additional state requirements clogging up the measure, including taking 180 continuing education credits every five years, which would be very expensive and burdensome, and being subjected to excessive state-drafted “one-size-fits-all” standardized tests and evaluations. My mother was undecided about the measure and only in the final hours grudgingly decided to vote “yes”.

I agree that if Kasich and the Ohio Legislature go back to the drawing board and pass a clean bill to limit collective bargaining over pay, pensions, and benefits, it would have a much better chance of withstanding a voter referendum.


127 posted on 11/08/2011 10:55:10 PM PST by DestroyLiberalism
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To: xzins; Patrick1; wmfights; P-Marlowe
Had this been a clean bill just about collective bargaining over pay and pensions this would have passed by a landslide.

Thanks for giving me something positive out of this. From where I'm sitting it looks like a majority of the people in OH want big daddy govt to guarantee them a good life at someone else's expense. Everyone talks fiscal reform and personal responsibility until they have take control of their own lives.

135 posted on 11/09/2011 7:53:50 AM PST by wmfights (PERRY 2012)
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