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Note the date of this article: April 3, 2011. Seven months ago, before the start of this NCAA football season. This early article talks openly about Sanduksy's problems in 1998 were not a secret revealed by the November 5, Grand Jury report. Apparently they were known among the Penn State athletic family and those who reported on it.

Random thoughts:

The Grand Jury had been meeting since fall of 2009. Grand juries don't meet daily and DAs control the timing of indictment and meetings, often for political purposes. It is too cynical to wonder whether, after eighteen months, this report waiting until Joe Paterno won his all-time NCAA Div i 409th win on October 30th?

Look at the first comment to this article, by Michael 5148 on April 4, 2001:

This has got to be the worst piece of journalism I have ever seen. What knowledge do you have of this? I am unsubscribing from this newspaper solely because of this rag of an article.

Or MarkPA on April 5:

"Oh, you mean the rumors Madden has no problem throwing out whether or not they are based in fact? This typical character assassination is something that never should have seen the light of day, and it's a shame the Times sees no problems still writing this guy a check to put out unsubstantiated garbage like this."

Michael, are you possibly one of the Penn State students and fans who have never read the Grand Jury Presentment or the Grand Jury Report, but rioted last night when Joe Paterno was fired?

I lost a hero this week. I don't think I've lost the homemade Penn State football helmet from my childhood. I called my mother last night and she said it she thinks it's in the basement (she doesn't throw anything away). And I've gained something from this; some new-found cynicism:

This line from earlier in the week, when Joe Paterno thought he was retiring at the end of the season:

I have come to work every day for the last 61 years with one clear goal in mind: To serve the best interests of this university and the young men who have been entrusted to my care. I have the same goal today.

Ah, Joe, if only those pre-teen boys had been officially 'entrusted to your care."

And this recruiting letter from then-graduate assistant Mike McQueary, who is now a coach for Penn State and the head of recruiting:


1 posted on 11/10/2011 4:17:58 AM PST by Scoutmaster
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To: Scoutmaster
Sandusky had long been expected to succeed Paterno, and he reportedly turned down jobs at Marshall, Temple and Maryland in hopes the aging coach would soon retire. But Paterno came to feel that Sandusky was spending too much of his time on The Second Mile, and he told his assistant around May 1999 that Sandusky would not be the next head coach at Penn State.

“Joe had said, `You can’t do both, you can’t have two masters,”’ Paterno’s son, Scott, recalled earlier this week.

Sandusky cited his desire to devote more time to The Second Mile when he took early retirement following the 1999 season. But even though he was not particularly close with Paterno, he remained a familiar sight around the Penn State football complex. He was given an office in the East Area Locker building, across the street from the football building, as part of his retirement package, and would bring Second Mile kids around the football facilities.

“There were times where I was around his Second Mile kids, and to me what it seemed was a great program,” Scott said.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-pennstate-abuse-sandusky

2 posted on 11/10/2011 4:31:11 AM PST by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: Scoutmaster

Very interesting. Thanks.


3 posted on 11/10/2011 4:33:13 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Scoutmaster
I may be the most disinterested person about foot ball that exists but I have heard the name Paterno and associated it with foot ball. Can you tell me briefly, what he is accused of? Cover up?

I could probably just read one of the hundreds of articles posted about this subject but am not that interested. If no one wants to tell me because I am an anti foot ball fan, that's cool too.

5 posted on 11/10/2011 4:39:01 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country but Herman Cain loves mine.)
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What really disturbs me is that when Sandusky was retired in 1999 with no police notification, he was given free rein to continue his horrific acts with gusto.

Evidently Penn State was only concerned about their risk and NOT any harm to children. Otherwise they would have stipulated that he could no longer operate a charitable foundation with unlimited access to......little boys. Considering that he never took another coaching job I have to wonder if that was agreed upon when he "retired".

It's looking like in 1999 Penn State released a predator on into society. It wouldn't surprise me, when all is said & done, if the number of boys ends up at 100 or more. Penn State, you'd better call your banker. I have a feeling you're about to be writing some checks.
6 posted on 11/10/2011 4:41:28 AM PST by Shannon
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“Michael, are you possibly one of the Penn State students and fans who have never read the Grand Jury Presentment or the Grand Jury Report, but rioted last night when Joe Paterno was fired?”

I imagine if you were to ask any of the rioting students, or maybe just any student there on campus, they would say that yes, Paterno maybe should have followed up on the complaint, “done more” as Joe put it, but..... There should be no “but”. There is just a period, end of sentence. Paterno and all the people involved with this need to lose their jobs as they are ultimately representatives of the university.


7 posted on 11/10/2011 4:43:02 AM PST by texaschick
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One theory, and just a theory, is that the media and Grand Jury held off until Paterno broke the winningest coach record.


8 posted on 11/10/2011 4:43:40 AM PST by Wolfie
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This all goes back to Spanier.

Spanier came to Penn State with a homosexual agenda. In his years, Penn State has earned numerous awards from the LGBT community.

Under Spanier, Penn State conducted “Sex in the Dark”, “Pleasure Party”, created an LGBT Division of its Student Affairs Department, Pride Week, a gay fraternity and you can earn a minor in Sexuality and Gender Studies.

Spanier is credited with making Penn State one of the top LGBT-friendly schools in the nation.

If Spanier embraced the full homosexual agenda, then he embraced the concept that minors can grant sexual consent.


11 posted on 11/10/2011 4:58:10 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
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If this entire, sordid affair doesn't make every football fan, let alone Penn State fans, stop and examine their priorities, then we are a sad and pitiable peolple.

I come from Sandusky's home town. He was a legend there.

I've met the man. He was (or appeared to be) everything good and upstanding; tall, good-looking, clean, personable, out-going, easy to talk w/, a great athlete and an even better coach. He was Linebacker U. He was a source of pride for our football crazy town.

To say that we are shocked and devastated is an understatement, but its what happens when folks focus soley on the external; only on the glory and refuse delivery on anything that could challenge our pride.

We've just gotten smacked in our blind spot by an I-Beam.

But, of course, this isn't about us football fans, its about the world we live and work in. Its about power, prestige and self-preservation. And most important, its about vulnerable, innocent children being abused, and then thrown away, by men whose charge was their welfare; a betrayal of our very humanity.

I am ashamed.

15 posted on 11/10/2011 5:15:33 AM PST by Pietro
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To: Scoutmaster

This is a great post, thank you. I was wondering how a lengthy investigation like this could be kept secret and the results seem to be such a shock.

However, right now the biggest mystery to me is why that assistant coach (or whatever he is) who was the witness to the attack in the shower seems to be being held harmless.

Nobody is calling for him to be fired, or asking why he didn’t pursue things. So I’m wondering about that.

I’m very glad they got rid of the President and the other post about his gay agenda was also informative. I read a post on some sports site the other day and the writer was saying “sodomy” like it was a bad word (which it is, of coure); and it made me think - is this guy going to get slammed for using the gay lifestyle as a slur.

But this time he won’t I venture. I love how the left gets to have everything both ways.


17 posted on 11/10/2011 5:16:03 AM PST by jocon307
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One thing that does not seem to be mentioned in any of these stories, and it really bugs me:

The guy is seen in the shower sodomizing a 12 year old boy: monster, deviant, freak, must report to the police, must crucify.

The guy is seen in the shower sodomizing a 18 year old boy: rights, freedom, understanding, equality, acceptance.

Smells like BS to me.

The act seems the same, regardless of the age. Sick is sick, deviant is deviant, no ‘rights’ are involved. But as soon as this passes from the headlines, it will be back to ‘rights’ and ‘justice’ for people that want to engage in basically the same behavior. And it is BS.


18 posted on 11/10/2011 5:16:59 AM PST by I cannot think of a name
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What does this say about government unions, the tenure system, and the culture within colleges? all government unions? Isn’t this one of the powers that they have asked for - the ability to deal with problem employees in their own way? Had this stuff come out 2 weeks earlier, I doubt the Ohio ‘pro-union’ vote would have gone the same way...unless no one discusses the Penn State issue in this light.


19 posted on 11/10/2011 5:17:34 AM PST by LearnsFromMistakes (Yes, I am happy to see you. But that IS a gun in my pocket.)
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It’s hilarious to read the difference between the “comments” back in April compared to the ones made in November, 2011 at your link. LOL


21 posted on 11/10/2011 5:27:46 AM PST by Matchett-PI ("A Republican Larry Flynt should wave around $50,000 for proof of sexual harassment at Politico" -RL)
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Sandusky was just recruiting future Penn State athletes.
He was training them to be compliant to the university norms./S


23 posted on 11/10/2011 5:40:36 AM PST by 9422WMR
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ping


26 posted on 11/10/2011 5:52:59 AM PST by Taggart_D
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good find on the article.

Was it just a week ago that Happy Valley was happy and JoePa was a role model beloved everywhere? sigh.

As you have shown very well....every day we are going to learn more that we don’t want to learn.

I want to cover my ears and yell “LA LA LA LA LA”!!!!!


27 posted on 11/10/2011 5:57:21 AM PST by Scotswife
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I read the grand jury report. It made my insides crawl. My opinion is there will be MANY more children to come forward now. That vile monster was doing this for 15-20 years, plying children into his home with gifts then doing disgusting things to them.
What he did with them in the showers is unspeakable, but just the tip of the iceberg.
The cynical side of me believes there is plenty more of this under-rug-sweeping going on in other universities. But I believe there’s going to be many many more instances of Sandusky’s behavior that will come forward in the near weeks.


32 posted on 11/10/2011 6:18:28 AM PST by No_More_Harkin
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I have read the grand jury report. The evidence against Sandusky is overwhelming. He has declared that he is innocent! In addition to being a homosexual pervert he must also be delusional.
43 posted on 11/10/2011 6:49:50 AM PST by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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This is the same Mark Madden who was fired from his Pittsburgh talk radio show because on the day Teddy Kennedy died, he wondered aloud on-air “where is the outpouring of concern and compassion for Mary Jo Kopechne and her family?”


47 posted on 11/10/2011 7:06:12 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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Radio talk show host Mark Madden -- and author of this piece -- on radio this a.m.: See
* New Jerry Sandusky Rumor Threatens To Make Penn State Scandal Much Worse
* Jerry Sandusky Rumored to Have Been 'Pimping Out Young Boys to Rich Donors,' Says Mark Madden
51 posted on 11/10/2011 8:37:02 AM PST by Colofornian (The Ped State KNitKinsey Lionizers: The campus which most now love to loathe!)
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To: Scoutmaster; All; Colofornian; dfwgator
If the Joe Paterno quote and the Mike McQueary letter weren't ironic enough, Jerry Sandusky wrote an autobiography in 2001, the year before McQueary caught him anally raping a pre-teen boy in the Penn State football showers. And of course, before Joe Paterno said he was only told it was "fondling" (or something of a sexual nature). And we know of at least nineteen other boys who were molested by Sandusky.

As I said, the final bit of irony? Sandusky wrote an autobiography in 2001.

The title? Touched: The Jerry Sandusky Story.

I'm not kidding. Here's the cover:

Amazon's already sold out, but you can place your backorder here.

54 posted on 11/10/2011 10:16:27 AM PST by Scoutmaster (I stand for something; therefore, I can't stand Romney)
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