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Ron Bracken: Climate of secrecy led to crumbling of Camelot
CentreDaily.com (State College, PA) ^ | Nov. 11, 2011 | Ron Bracken

Posted on 11/11/2011 8:45:31 PM PST by Colofornian

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To: buccaneer81
Don't be surprised to see madden and a little podunk Western Pennsylvania newspaper be nominated for Pulitzers.

You heard it here first.

Not a slam-dunk, I don't think. The Pulitzer committee doesn't go out of the way to bestow favor on those who inconvenience the homosexual march to oblivion.

Still, you may be right, and I hope you are.

41 posted on 11/11/2011 10:45:50 PM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: Lancey Howard

Lancey,

I appreciate your objectivity when this has been pure turmoil for grads like you.

I don’t envy being in your situation — or those 40,000 students part of the university.


42 posted on 11/11/2011 11:21:32 PM PST by Colofornian (The Perv State KNitKinsey Lionizers: The campus which most now love to loathe!)
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To: Colofornian

The article mentioned “five men”. Does that include McQueary’s (sp) dad who knew about the ten year old boy in the shower?

I saw on espn tonight that McQueary told his players “I’m done.”


43 posted on 11/11/2011 11:25:19 PM PST by Terry Mross (Where is the OPPOSITION party? I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: Lancey Howard

Carrot Top has told his players “I’m done.” He should be and his dad should be questioned, too. You’d think eventually his dad would ask his son “What ever happened about that incident with the coach and the ten year old?”


44 posted on 11/11/2011 11:27:40 PM PST by Terry Mross (Where is the OPPOSITION party? I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: eyedigress; All
I guess you could call it that. If I saw a man of authority raping a small boy I don’t think my career would come to mind. GOD is very dis-pleased and it now shows the destruction of an entire university.

I agree with you but allow me to take this in another parallel direction.

None of us are unaware of what abortion is. Many of us are aware of exactly where the abortion clinics are.

Fortunately there are 2/3rds less abortion clinics in this country than say, about 20 years ago...thanks to God, in part, operating thru the pro-life movement...

But I bring this up not so much to digress so that we talk about abortion victims the rest of the thread...but simply as a reminder -- including myself -- to watch my/our sense of smugness here.

It's easy to say that if we knew about "doctors" (abortionists) dismembering very small boys and girls, that we wouldn't think about our careers but do everything we could peaceably to intervene so that these pre-borns wouldn't have to suffer...but, really...do we as a people?

I don't think so. With the same fingers we rightfully point with indignation @ Michael McQueary...those fingers could also be ones God points at us for failing to protect the womb...which is STILL the most dangerous place to be alive on this planet.

Now I know there's a HUGE difference 'tween rescuing a child being raped vs. trying to rescue a pre-born child, but even if we speak generically of this...are we willing as a nation to start putting our young children ahead of our careers?

Think about it. Meditate upon it.

45 posted on 11/11/2011 11:31:47 PM PST by Colofornian (The Perv State KNitKinsey Lionizers: The campus which most now love to loathe!)
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To: Terry Mross
The article mentioned “five men”. Does that include McQueary’s (sp) dad who knew about the ten year old boy in the shower?

I would think that would be McQueary, Paterno, Schultz, Curley & Spanier. They all knew. They all had Penn State paychecks. They all compromised children because they all made a covenant with the spirit of child rape.

We all need to ask ourselves: Where have any of us made a covenant with spirits we otherwise militate against?

In the interest of protecting ourselves, our paychecks, our career goals, our reputation, have any of us, for example, made a "covenant" with the spirit of death? (The spirit who oversees the abortion industry)

Where perhaps have we "gone along" with the abortion industry so as to not rock any boats or ruffled feathers?

46 posted on 11/11/2011 11:38:39 PM PST by Colofornian (The Perv State KNitKinsey Lionizers: The campus which most now love to loathe!)
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To: Terry Mross
You’d think eventually his dad would ask his son

Guess what? The father of former Penn State quarterback McQueary was as much an enabler of the predatory homosexual pedophile Sandusky as anybody else who knew what Sandusky was and looked the other way for a decade or more. The father didn't one night hear a shocking and sordid eyewitness account of a legendary coach engaging in violent gay pedophilia in the team showers from his anguished son and then forget all about it. He has probably thought about it every day of his life. ALL of them are enablers. It simply boggles my mind that not ONE adult stepped up and pressed the cops to confront Sandusky. Not one.

/bile spit

47 posted on 11/12/2011 12:16:04 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Colofornian
Another question that nags: Forget about the cops for a minute - - why did not a single person ( I'm looking at you, Joe Pa) walk up to Sandusky directly and say to his face, "Jerry, I heard something very disturbing..."

Yeah, Paterno made his own bed in this thing. Good bye, Joe Pa. It's been real.

Real illusory.

48 posted on 11/12/2011 12:32:55 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard
Another question that nags: Forget about the cops for a minute - - why did not a single person ( I'm looking at you, Joe Pa) walk up to Sandusky directly and say to his face, "Jerry, I heard something very disturbing..."

Very good question...and one I haven't seen anybody else raise yet.

It's not as if they didn't go "way back" together.
And it's not as if JoePa would have had to even go out of his way to ask, given the frequent appearances JS made on campus.

Of course, the practical aspect of considering this is: Would any of us really expect the double-life JS to "come clean" to such a query from JoePa?

Doubt it.

In this sense, we don't know if Joe ever confronted JS or not...but you know what...

If I was a civil attorney in litigation with JoePa and with Penn State...and he was being depositioned...guess what question I'd ask him:

"Mr. Paterno: How often did you see Jerry Sandusky on campus between March of 2002 and say, the year 2008? Mr. Paterno: Did you ever any of those times query Mr. Sandusky along the lines of...'Jerry, I heard something very disturbing...'??"

49 posted on 11/12/2011 1:20:11 AM PST by Colofornian (The Perv State KNitKinsey Lionizers: The campus which most now love to loathe!)
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To: Lancey Howard

When have you ever read in a situation like this that only a single pervert was involved?


50 posted on 11/12/2011 1:42:23 AM PST by Melchior
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To: buccaneer81

Thanks for the link.


51 posted on 11/12/2011 3:04:46 AM PST by iowamark (Rick Perry says I'm heartless.)
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To: Colofornian

I hope that this Camelot analogy does not catch on.


52 posted on 11/12/2011 3:11:36 AM PST by iowamark (Rick Perry says I'm heartless.)
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To: Colofornian

Aside from the crimes alleged, this entire article is nonsense when it tries to connect its own worded “climate of secrecy” to these crimes.
Every college football program or college itself is run along the same lines. - at least the programs that I have been personally involved with.
Tenure is the shining example of this, not a sex crime - unless you believe that all institutions of higher learning are incubators for child sex assaults.
Total BS.


53 posted on 11/12/2011 5:43:53 AM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Colofornian

Your response did not mentions McQueary’s dad. Talking about making a pact with the devil. His son would lose his job if he pushed it. And he didn’t want that.

I imagine we’ve all looked the other way on different things. But I doubt very few people would look the other way if they saw a grown man sodomizing a ten year old.

I will tell you that even elementary schools look the other way. I know a woman whose ten year old son had been molested by her ex husband (who was sitting in prison at the time). A teacher discovered the kid messing with a 6 year old in the bathroom. Through counciling, and a few other incidents, she was beginnng to realize that her son had become a perp. She went to the school and turned in her own son. The school’s response? “Oh, they’re just kids experimenting.” She tried to explain just how bad this was and asked the school to at least notify the six year old’s parents. Nothing was done.


54 posted on 11/12/2011 7:36:52 AM PST by Terry Mross (Where is the OPPOSITION party? I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: Talisker
It's worse than that - we are a nation which no longer protects it's people.

Nothing is worse than when childrens lifes are sacrificed...they cannot protect themsleves...we are called to do so and suppose to be the adults..."in the room".

This is why our nation continues on the skids....children are not protected any longer...nor are they safe even from their own parents ..who abort them, beat them, drop them off, and discard them as if they are nothing at all...and the bystandards who refuse to step in. It's endless in this day.

55 posted on 11/12/2011 8:54:40 AM PST by caww
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To: caww
children are not protected any longer...nor are they safe even from their own parents ..who abort them, beat them, drop them off, and discard them as if they are nothing at all...and the bystandards who refuse to step in.

The 21st century: China emulates our economic strength and the US emulates China's lack of societal morality.

56 posted on 11/12/2011 12:45:47 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: eyedigress
I really do feel sorry for the students and especially the seniors having a great season.

I really do feel sorry for the raped kids ...

This investigation (not to mention the 1998 investigation and various other Sandusky episodes) has been in the public domain for a long time. Maybe the kids didn't know about it before the were recruited but betcha they knew after they got there.

57 posted on 11/12/2011 12:53:35 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Terry Mross
I will tell you that even elementary schools look the other way.

I am sure that there were probably some in State College.

From the Victim #1's mother's public statement this week we found out that she went to the high school (her son had by this time been molested by Sandusky for years) to find out why the school was letting Sandusky out of class to go on trips with him.

And what did the school officials do when the son then broke down and told them about Sandusky?

The urged the mother to carefully consider the consequences of reporting this to the authorities!

This was in 2008! Fortunately the mother immediately took her son out of school and went directly to child services.

It's sickening. Imagine how the mother feels seeing the reports that that school (Central Mountain High in Lock Haven, PA) is being reported as turning Sandusky in and stopping his raping!

The school let Sandusky pull the boy out of class without parental knowledge or consent and then tried to cover their butts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Central Mountain High School, Lock Haven PA

58 posted on 11/12/2011 1:02:14 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: eyedigress

did you see the following in the article you posted?! :

Among those who testified was the mother of Sandusky’s youngest adopted son, a boy he met through The Second Mile, took in as a foster child and later legally adopted as an adult.

Matt Sandusky’s mother, Debra Long, told The Patriot-News that she had raised concerns about the behavior of her son and Sandusky once her son went to live with the Sandusky family in 1995.

“We tried to stop it back then,” Long said. “We were dragging it to the court system all the time and we couldn’t prevent it. It upsets me, because these kids didn’t need to go through this.”


59 posted on 11/12/2011 1:31:26 PM PST by CharlotteVRWC
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To: CharlotteVRWC

I read all of it. The Penn State fans that support the power that knew about this need to get real. The University is now a center-piece of childhood rape that ripples from the top down. I think it is a shame.

I could just imagine Gen. Neyland, Bear Bryant, Knute Rockne or even Lou Holtz, being made aware. Joe Paterno is a disgrace and his legacy is shot. Sorry Penn State Fans


60 posted on 11/12/2011 1:58:03 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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