GOP's First Spouses Club (Newt's long history of infedelity)

NY Daily News ^ | 10/1/2011

[TheOldLady]

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[HamiltonJay]

“, but if one can’t be faithful to the oath made to a spouse, time and time again, I worry how can one be faithful to the oath of office.”

Well lets see, both of his marriages were over 10 years before the allegations of affairs, and the longest he can hold office is 8, so I think we’re fine. Of course I don’t agree with your logic that thinks that what goes on in a marriage automatically reflects on other oaths a person takes, but so be it.

[HamiltonJay]

Yes, he’s been married 3 times... do we know the intimate details of the relationships? No, and I’m not going to try to find out. I don’t think anyone gets married with the intent of it ending, unless they are gold digger looking for the quick divorce and payout.

Does this make me feel he can’t be a good President? Um, well the current one has ZERO divorces, but is the worst president of my lifetime.. and I was born before Carter was in office, so, I don’t think his divorces inately disqualify him from office.

[reaganaut]

Well, in your opinion, is Mitt Romney representative of the good Mormon? Do Mormons tolerate the immoral, godless liberal/socialist/progressive policies foisted on the good people of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and our nation by Governor Romney? Or are he and his ideological twin Harry Reid just rare examples of the evil side of Mormonism?

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Actually, Mitt is much more the rule rather than the exception of Mormonism. I found out the hard way that many more Mormons are like Mitt and Ried than aren’t. There are complex cultural and theological reasons for this that I can go into but they tolerate Mitt and a lot of other things from their ‘priesthood holders’.

I’m pinging some other freepers who will probably say similar things.

[FastCoyote]

“Well, in your opinion, is Mitt Romney representative of the good Mormon? Do Mormons tolerate the immoral, godless liberal/socialist/progressive policies foisted on the good people of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and our nation by Governor Romney? Or are he and his ideological twin Harry Reid just rare examples of the evil side of Mormonism? “

As Reaganaut implies, figuring out what is going on in the mind of an upper echelon Mormon priest/powerbroker is a crap shoot because you are dealing both with the hubris of their believing they will become gods along with a long institutional history of victimology purposely used to make sheep of Mormon followers. Mix in a vengeful and cultish concept of blood atonement (which shuns or ostracizes non-believers, they used to kill them) and you get a boiling pot of inner resentments and inhibitions that make these guys potential time bombs. The question of whether they are faithful to their wives and have nice kids doesn’t help when you are caught up in a whirlpool of crazy cultural superstitions and paranoias under some Bishop’s leadership (I’ve been tee a number of times).

It would be like going to New Guinea and meeting a well dressed tribal spokesman who half a dozen years before had been a headhunter. You just know the translation of cultural norms may not be what you think they are, you are looking through a multifaceted prism.

Joseph Smith was driven out of Kirtland in part for a bank grifting scheme. In Far West Missouri he becomes a general with a thousand man army with raiders burning Douglas County - a massacre of Mormons by state militia is averted only at the last second before a cavalry charge and Smith is jailed. In Nauvoo, Smith has another army and takes on the aspects of a general before he is killed in a shootout at the jail (he was armed.) Brigham Young takes them to Utah and starts his own mini-war and develops the blood atonement concept which is enough to make anyone paranoid.

So you have to ask yourself, were all the “oppressors” of Mormons, in state after state,crazy bigots, or did they rightly get upset when they felt they were being rolled over by a Mormon Borg machine? In all the Mormon apologist literature, there is NEVER an admission that they did anything wrong, though their leader was a known womanizer and peepstone grifter. My personal experience in business and politics in Mormon Nevada leads me to believe Mormons instigated as many problems as not in the early years and many of those cultural quirks still exist just below the surface.

So you ask whether Reid and perhaps Romney are rogue actors? Well if you have followed the Warren Jeffs tales and how he has now gone nuts and started a paranoid clampdown on his followes, you have an idea of the types of bizarre currents that are running beneath the surface of a guy like Romney (Reid for sure has a dual personality but may be just insane, I know more about him than anyone).
Now, is Romney as crazy as Warren Jeffs? That’s not what I’m implying. But does Romney have weird subsurface personality conflicts that come from trying to become a perfect god, combined with a long family history of ties to the cloistered victimology of traditional Mormons, well you betcha. Does this affect his motivations for becoming president? You bet his personal aspirations for godhood also play a part of this, as well as his poorly hidden arrogance (he IS better than the rest of us, he HAS to be to get his planet).

So the question for conservatives to ponder, given all the other problems we have to deal with, why would we want to endure these deep seated psychological misgivings in a candidate, plus elect a RINO, when we are at a critical juncture in American history and about to go over a cliff?

[VideoDoctor]

Who gives a rats ass about his personal sexual marital life.

If Newt can solve the problems ailing this Country then I'll vote for him.

His past is of little or no concern to me. Newt is like Eastwood's "Dirth Harry" character. If he can take care of the immediate problem with direct force then he's my man.

[SENTINEL]

Reid and Romney are typical of many LDS cult leaders. Current leadership has made it clear that the Glenn Beck type mormons are on the way out, and to rise in the ranks these days, one must make a hard left turn. The LDS sect "prophet", ET Benson, who is the reason most older mormons are so conservative, died and Harry Reid has both told BYU that Benson led the church down the wrong path, AND has since made public appearances with current "Prophets" after the fact. The society is so tightly controlled this is unthinkable and must be the plan. "When the leaders speak, the thinking has been done"...It doesn't matter that they see Reid and Romney as the hypocrites they are (and many of them do), LDS sect mormons don't question leaders, period.

Jim imagine I'm trying to get you to take a step forward. You look down and think you are at the edge of the roof on a tall building. There is nothing I can say, no argument I could make, nothing I could do that would make you even consider the possibility that you could or should do it. I could tell you 14 times that we're both just standing on the sidewalk, but it is simply not in the realm of possibility for you. You are afrraid to do it, convinced you are right and that I mean you harm, and angry about the whole thing. this is the very best way I can describe what happens to your brain while in the mormon cult. I was there. It simply is not in the realm of possibility that Joseph Smith was anything other than the "man who communed with God(s)", any assertion or suggestion otherwise is simply as ridiculous as asking me to step off a building. The associated fear and anger are also very real, all evidence completely disregarded, uninvestigated.

It is VERY REAL brainwashing, in a VERY REAL CULT. A cult that is now trying to take over a second third of our national government.

You've seen it here a hundred times....this is how they have folks like Saundra Duffy, former patriot extraordinaire, campaigning for Romney who is Bill clinton on steroids.

[reaganaut]

That is an excellent analogy.

[combat_boots]

OK. I’m in on this.......

I was married quite young. Too young. The marriage turned sour for a whole host of reasons, part of which was that we were growing up. It was a classic power struggle and a maturation process. We had been so straight-laced that it was cliche. We even tried to hide the issues from others, although I imagine it was actually apparent.

We found other people as the marriage disintegrated. It was almost French, but it was also revenge. On each other. Those relationships, apparently, ended for both of us, too. My heart was broken completely.

I went through some bad experiences in all kinds of ways, but I’ve changed. God gave me another chance at love, and I took it, quite by accident. It’s been a surprise. Like tasting a snowflake or watching a breathtaking sunset off Carmel, California.

I can’t judge. I can say it was my own just desserts.

So, I don’t want to judge Gingrich or Cain because I can’t. I also can’t display the zealousness of a reformed alcoholic-like holier than thou judgmentalism.

I have known a relative that got so eaten up with hate and bitterness that cancer developed and a slow death ensued. I want to say that was over a failed marriage, but I don’t know. I do know that this is a long way out in time for anyone to hold a grudge. I find myself being bitter, too. Man, that just gives rent-free head space for no good reason, you know?

My original experience changed my life. And you know what? I knew at the marriage cerenmony that it was the wrong thing to do, but the plans were made, and so, I decided to tough it out and make it work.

Someone once said to me to quit beating myself up about things. If God can forgive me, am I really supposed to respond with, “Well, OK, but, You see, I have my standards”?

[combat_boots]

It also took me 20 years to get another dog after my dog died. Now, we have 3. All that time wasted over grief. That is at least 2 generations of dogs, who just plain love you and want to make you laugh and play.

But I was wrapped up in my own thinking.

I did finally get a couple of cats, but cats are different. They prefer staff to management.