Gingrich: ‘I’m a genuine, intellectual conservative’ (gives his ideas on illegals and the border)

American Independent ^ | November 16, 2011 | Douglas Burns

[Cincinatus' Wife]

CARROLL — As he surged to the top of two national polls Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich spent nearly three hours at the Santa Maria Winery in Carroll on Monday, speaking with voters, taking questions, signing books and screening a movie he co-developed celebrating Pope John Paul II.

Gingrich also conducted a 10-minute interview with The Carroll Daily Times Herald and La Prensa, an Iowa Spanish-language newspaper, before going on air nationally with Fox News’ Sean Hannity from a makeshift, temporary studio...

....La Prensa asked Gingrich’s reaction to an often-repeated line from Cain about constructing a border fence with Mexico so that it can electrocute immigrants, and possibly even snare them in an associated moat stocked with alligators.

“It was a bad idea,” Gingrich said.

He added, “I hope he was joking. I’d like to think he was joking.”

Gingrich then turned to his own immigration plans, calling for control of the border in a way that is “human and practical.”

“I’m working on an immigration program which is firm but at the same time has a human aspect to it that I think most Hispanic Americans would appreciate,” Gingrich said.

Earlier, in a question-and-answer session with voters in the winery, Gingrich said he wanted to impose severe penalties for employers who hired undocumented workers. Moreover, he put forward a plan modeled on the Selective Service System used by the military in World War II in which local committees of citizens could help determine the immigration status of a city’s illegal residents based on factors like how long they’ve lived in the area, family roots and contributions socially and in business.

Gingrich said rhetoric about deporting all illegal immigrants isn’t realistic.

“I think it’s very unlikely the American people are going to break up families,” Gingrich said...

[Georgia Girl 2]

“Rick Perry has called for the border to be SEALED, the cartels killed off and NO amnesty”

Thats all well and I like what Perry has to say on most things but he’s polling at about 7% so what good is it going to do anybody? We have to look at the real contenders because it won’t be long until we have to actually vote for somebody.

Newt Gingrich is very well qualified to be President. With Herman fading its likely going to be Newt or Mitt. I’m not going with Mitt unless its actually Nov 6th 2012 and its Mitt or Barry.

[redgolum]

Big corps want the illegals. Keeps wages down. There will be an agreement, but no amnesty.

If there is amnesty, they have to start paying all the same taxes that they do for legal employees.

[Jeff Head]

Newt is a smart man. he knows Washington and he knows the political lay of the land. he has a number of very good initiatives and plan.

But...these feelings on immigration and illegal aliens put me off entirely.

His ad with Nacny Pelosi about Global Warming...like flip-flops with Romney, have put me off entirely.

I at one time thought he would be a good VP candidate for Cain...but not any more.

He would be a lot better than Obama if it came down to it...but it would not be a true conservative vote, although I believe a strong consetrvative House and Senate would keep him pretty much in line.

No...I am still for Cain, but now see Cain needing a Rubio or someone like that as his VP should he get that far.

Sarah was my first choice, followed by Cain.

As to the borders. :

1. Build the double fence. it was voted in law by the Republican Congress back in 2002 or so and funded...but never completely built. It can be done and it should be done.
2. Put the National Guard on the Border and use observation posts, patrols, UAVs and other surveillance to locate and then interdict anyone approaching or trying to cross the border fence.
3. Make hiring an illegal a criminal offense and begin prosecuting the managers, Presidents, CEOs who do so. Include large fines.
4. Have Congress define what "subject to the laws thereof" in the constitution means, and define it to mean citizens born here, or people who legally immigrate here. Have the anchor baby provision specifically defined as not being subject to our laws, but to the laws of their parenbts country and our only law is to send the mother and baby back.
5. Outside of absolute emergency medical care, end all hand-outs, perqs, welfare, etc. to illegal aliens, including schooling.
6. Announce a six month period where illegal aliens who register and turn themselves into the federal government can go home with no criminal charges and be elligable (as long as they are not criminals, terrorists, etc.) for legal immigration...but after the six months if we catch you you are arrested, DNA taken, and immediately deported with a life time ban on immigrating to the US.
7. After the six months begin using the INS and FBI and HHS to locate and deport illegal aliens.
8. Make it a capitol crime to enter the US for the purpose of selling or trafficing in illegal narcotics.
9. After all of this, then develop a guest wroker program for 12-18 months at a time, for specific jobs that are first open to US citizens that allow foreigners to come and take if US citizens do not which precludes them from bringing their families with them, and makes their stay here absolutely dependent on reular check ins with INS, no criminal activity, and going home after their term of employment.

[fightinJAG]

WHO DO YOU WANT?

Does this make a difference to the facts of Gingrich's record?

Are you implying that Timber Rattler has maybe made up the facts of Gingrich's record, as contained at the links, because he maybe supports a different candidate?

If you read this information on a candidate's record AND you agreed it raised substantive questions, would you support that candidate?

[NoGrayZone]

Thanks!!! =)

[fightinJAG]

He even uses the tired old straw man that we can’t deport them all, and of course, doesn’t mention enforcing the law and ending the enticements which would result in gradual self-deportation.

An excellent, concise rejoinder. Bears repeating.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

.....Newt Gingrich is very well qualified to be President.

How so? What do you expect in the next president?

[fightinJAG]

What I heard Rush say was that the reason Trump was popular, when he was, was that he was taking it to Obama.

I did not hear Rush say that Newt was the “only” one taking it to Obama.

I heard Rush say it was very important to examine a candidate’s record and that, if a person could not clearly articulate the simple principles of conservatism in regard to a particular issue — that, if a person did not sound like a conservative — they weren’t conservative.

[Timber Rattler]

You’re missing a picture of Gingrich with Al Sharpton on their “Education Tour” to promote Obama’s education policies.

Hey, thanks for reminding me about that. I just added it to the Newt Truth File for future use.

[slowhandluke]

Folks who need to modify 'conservative', usually really mean 'not-conservative'.

A case in point: Gingrich Backs Obamacare's Individual Mandate Requiring Health Insurance

Newt suggests it's like auto insurance. But for auto insurance you are (usually) required only to buy liability for damage you do to the other guys car.

Here, we are being required to buy insurance to avoid damage to the other guy's compassion. If we have health insurance, the other guy doesn't have to decide if he has to be compassionate towards us and help with the medical costs.

And, since the mandated payments we make will also subsidize other folks, we don't have the need to decide to be compassionate towards anyone else at all.

Talk about moral hazard... Nothing good will come from leaving all compassion issues to the government.

[CharlesWayneCT]

It wouldn’t matter if it took 10 years, if it was the smart way to do the job.

The problem is it’s a waste of time AND money. It would be like trying to protect your home, and you decided to fence in your entire yard but leave your driveway open because it’s easier to get your car into the garage. And then you leave your front door unlocked because you always forget your keys.

Sure, you have a “border fence”. And it keeps a couple idiots who don’t know any better out. But it doesn’t solve the problem, and you could have kept people out of your house with a good lock and a security system.

That’s the deal with the “full border fence”. A good fence that works unmanned is very expensive. You can’t build it in the middle of a river, and you don’t want to give the river and the access rights to Mexico, or try to capture mexican territory. And most of the border is so totally inhospitable that it would be tons easier just to hop in a small watercraft and run a few miles up the gulf coast, than it would be to wander 10s of miles through the desert and perform a river crossing.

So you build a fence where the populations are. You put electronic surveillance where it would take someone a day to cross, and you monitor it with border patrol agents with helicopters that can respond in a few hours. They can catch ANY person crossing the desert in plenty of time.

You also patrol the border with unmanned drones, and get that border camera idea back up and running — so that a million americans who care can monitor the border for you (how many of you signed up for that? I did, but they shut it down really quickly).

That solves a PART of the problem. Now you need to handle the big problem of people coming in legally, and then overstaying their welcome. With the billions of non-existant tax dollars you saved by not building hundreds of miles of useless fence where at best 2-3 people a year would bother to try to cross, you can implement a nationwide tracking system for legal immigrants. They get smart ID on arrival, when their time is up if they don’t check out, they are tracked down and deported. If they stop showing up for the work they came to do, they are tracked down and deported.

You also need to reform the guest worker program, so that you only allow in people that we NEED, that you offer jobs to americans first, and again, you put in place a way to make sure migrants LEAVE when their time is done.

So it’s not that it takes too long to build a fence, it’s that it is stupid to build a full fence, relative to spending the money in smarter ways.

[fightinJAG]

You’re welcome.

[caww]

Well you're the first who pretty much says what really needs saying...the issue of illegals has been used for so long as a political card that it's really past correcting it as we could of, and all the politicians are responsible for that. Rather like trying to put the genie back in the bottle.

Mexico isn't going to cooperate with any deals period... and will use their leverage to maintain the status quo. Illegals are a primary source of their GDP....so they will surely fight this as much as the Unions fight to keep their money flow going. Illegals are straight out a revenue ticket for the Mexican Government.

Enforcing the current laws would have been helpful but of course they continue stating they lack the man-power...which is just another way of them gaining their revenue source...and skimming off the top.

The there's the Mafia and Drug Cartels who surely will play in this game to keep their revenue flowing

And let's not forget those border towns who are subsidized with revenues to secure the border, whose tax-payer's money never quite gets the job done...otherwise those revenues will dry up...so it benefits those governing for cheap labor and to keep the government tit pumped

So as I see it the American people can cry out all we want...they..(meaning the states nor the government) are ever going to correct the situation...never. There will be some form of Amnesty like it or not...so the question is who has the least harmful of the two to the American citizen and at least root out the undesirables and those leeching on to the system.

[Georgia Girl 2]

I expect the next president to do everything in his power to cut the size and scope of government, create a climate for job growth, secure the southern border, promote a strong and positive image of the United States abroad, support our allies especially Israel and attempt to clean up the corruption and waste in the Federal government. Newt’s 21st Century Contract With America promotes some very strong ideas to correct the problems in this country. He also has a proven track record in Congress for reform. Like him or hate him he and the GOP congress dragged Bill Clinton kicking and screaming into a balanced budget, tax reform and welfare reform. Then Clinton was smart enough to turn around and take the credit for it.

Rick Perry for whatever reason has not seemed to be able to gain enough traction to be a serious contender. Maybe he will come back but its starting to get a little late in the game.

[caww]

I just added it to the Newt Truth File for future use.

Well then if you have a file might be a good idea to update what truths about Newt are actually truthful because much of what you're posting has been debunked or proven otherwise...or is no longer where Newt stands.

It's pretty troubling when people have to resort to 20 yr. old information....or use spun sound bites to discredit any candidate.

[caww]

There’s another huge difference between Newt and Perry....Newt clearly idntifies Islam/Muslims for whatand who they are and as much very familiar with their agenda..both Stealth and Radical...all of which are a serious threat to our nation, especially having not just infilitrated our country but now have high positions in our governance.

Perry on the other hand sees no problem with accomodating them, their Mosques and Communnity Centers (bases) and co-operation with them. He believes the “fix” for the muslim issue is to invite them to participate in our country and among our people.

Here’s a great link on where Newt stands.....and how judges etc. are appeasing muslims rather than fighting or opposing this take over of our country...he wants very specific guidelines for anyone who serves this nation in a government position...and explains this..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=pR2yfsgGYOU

[Huck]

Newt is smart, quick on his feet, a good debater, but otherwise is a genuine phony.

Exactly. He's so smart, so quick on his feet, such a good debater, he can (and does) ably argue any side of any issue, depending on what's in it for Newt at that particular moment.

[caww]

I apologize Georgia I liked the wrong link of Newt on Islam...here it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHUHDcbVV6A

[caww]

Your name says it all...just as your response...you are a troll out to simply knock any candidate but your own by any means possible....snakes in the grass are not worth the time nor the effort. Ending this now before it’s even started for I will not be used for you to springboard your trash...