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2 posted on 11/17/2011 4:49:30 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: musicman

This was a total waste ot time. Reid will never bring it up for a vote in the Senate, and Obama would veto it if it did pass.


4 posted on 11/17/2011 4:53:10 PM PST by Roklok
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This bill supposedly allows people with permits from their home state to use those permits in other states which issue such permits to their residents.

This bill will never become law without 0’s signature.

If the bill were made law, it would lead to an interesting anomaly: a person with a state permit from his home state could come to NJ and supposedly have his permit honored, even though NJ in practice virtually never issues permits to its own residents. This would greatly annoy the political establishment in NJ, which is anti-gun. It would also be somewhat sad for NJ residents, to find their own state honoring permits which NJ will not issue here! But it would be worth it, because something needs to happen to embarrass New Jersey. It is really not honest to pretend to issue permits, but really not follow through.

As a NJ resident, I have permits from other states which are already good in most of the rest of the country, but I cannot get one in NJ. Because of the wording of the new bill, it would not effect my out-of-state permits, because they are not issued by the state in which I live.

From a states rights view, states should control these things. However, the SC has ruled that the 14th Amendment means that the Bill of Rights applies to the states. (I don’t agree with that, but it is the prevailing standard.) That being the case, then a state does not have the right to infringe on the right to bear arms, a civil right guaranteed by the 2nd amendment. New Jersey clearly does so infringe, as do Maryland, and certainly Illinois, and much of California. Massachusetts is another “bad faith” state, because it charges $100 for an out-of-state person to get their permit, which lasts only for a single year.

It is really annoying when NJ is listed as issuing, when in practice it does not. One has a better chance of getting a concealed weapons permit in New York City, than in the State of New Jersey.


21 posted on 11/17/2011 7:44:32 PM PST by docbnj
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