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Herman Cain apologizes to Latinos, touts Arizona, Alabama laws
POLITICO ^ | 11/18/11 | ALEXANDER BURNS

Posted on 11/18/2011 2:18:25 PM PST by mdittmar

Herman Cain once again walked back his joke about building an electrified fence along the U.S.-Mexico border, telling Univision in an interview that the comment “wasn’t intended to offend” Latinos.

Then Cain outlined a border policy he supports – relying on state-level initiatives to control illegal immigration – and specifically praised the Arizona and Alabama immigration laws that Latinos loathe:

SANDRA PEEBLES: Mr. Cain, many Latinos were offended by your comment on the electric fence. I understand that you support legal immigration, but regardless of the fact there are 11 million undocumented people in this country. What do we do with them?

HERMAN CAIN: We do several things. First, if I offended somebody with the comment I apologize. It wasn't intended to offend. And the other thing that I would say is, it wasn't directed at people that are already here. The last time I checked nobody was sneaking out of America. They sneak into America. Now, first we clean up the bureaucracy for legal immigration. It's too cumbersome. It's bureaucratic. We can fix that. It doesn't utilize technology the way it should to make it easier for people to come through the front door - which I wholeheartedly endorse. Secondly, the way we deal with the illegals that are already here - empower the states. The federal government is incapable of solving that problem for the 11 to 12 million illegals that are here. I would defer to the states, just like Arizona is trying to do something. Alabama, Georgia, they've all passed laws to begin to deal with it, to try to make it easier for employers to hire legal residents here. To make it easier for employers to help people become legal. That's how we approach the problem.

I’m not sure whether that’s one step forward, one step back, for Cain and Latino voters, or something less helpful than that.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Alabama; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; borderwars; caiin; cain; electified; fence; illegalaliens; latino; voters
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This is fun to watch;)
1 posted on 11/18/2011 2:18:27 PM PST by mdittmar
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To: mdittmar

Do legal residents and citizens of Hispanic descent think it’s OK when the get burglarized, beaten and raped by an illegal alien invader as long as he is also Hispanic?


2 posted on 11/18/2011 2:22:15 PM PST by Thom Pain (OMG ABO USA = USC: United States of Chicago)
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To: mdittmar

Why would Latinos be offended by an electrified fence - unless they are entering the country illegally!

If you go to any Port of Entry on the border, there is a wide open portal with no electric fences. All you have to do is stop with the nice CBE person standing there and tell him a few things.

If you are a Latino worried about an electric fence, you are an illegal and a criminal. Get the hell out of here.

No apologies are needed for lawbreakers.


3 posted on 11/18/2011 2:22:17 PM PST by oldbill
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To: mdittmar

I don’t give a smelly Obama if they are offended.

I’ll apologize to any ILLEGAL who is here and leaves their house unlocked for me to come in and take what I like.

Politico, shove it up your own smelly Obama...and take a deep breath while you are there.


4 posted on 11/18/2011 2:22:51 PM PST by Da Coyote (Liberalism - when you absolutely, positively have no ability to produce wealth.)
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To: onyx; TheConservativeParty; NoGrayZone; BenKenobi; Kartographer; justsaynomore; MNJohnnie; ...
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5 posted on 11/18/2011 2:24:52 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: mdittmar

“To make it easier for employers to help people become legal.”


What does this mean? Path to citizenship?


6 posted on 11/18/2011 2:28:34 PM PST by magritte
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To: BenKenobi

Wish we could retitle these articles. Ugh.

How about, “Cain stands behind Arizona and Alabama!”


7 posted on 11/18/2011 2:29:29 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: mdittmar

Who exactly decided that “WALK BACK” is now the only suitable synonym for “to clarify”, or “to explain one’s ideas in greater detail”, or “to clear up misunderstandings caused by a particular choice of words”?

Everyone in the media has adopted “walk back” and other than saying he didn’t intend to offend anyone, I don’t see Mr. Cain’s clarification about how he would address this problem deserves to be called “walking back”.

The media just pisses me off.


8 posted on 11/18/2011 2:30:53 PM PST by bigbob
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To: magritte

“What does this mean? Path to citizenship?”

Everyone who comes legally is on the path to citizenship, if they work and stay in the country long enough.

What Cain is talking about is making it easier for those who are qualified to get green cards, and get work permits so that they can come to America ready to hit the ground running.

Rather than rewarding people for breaking the law, you reward people for obeying the law and doing the right thing.


9 posted on 11/18/2011 2:32:02 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: BenKenobi

Ah, got it. I also believe allowing them to enter the military as a path as well.


10 posted on 11/18/2011 2:33:03 PM PST by magritte
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To: magritte

Guess you will have to read the Arizona,Alabama and Georgia laws.


11 posted on 11/18/2011 2:33:48 PM PST by mdittmar (i)
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To: bigbob

At least we know who the real conservative is by how they are willing to ‘shape the narrative’, per se.


12 posted on 11/18/2011 2:34:07 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: mdittmar

Not much point right now...most everything is tied up at the federal level..


13 posted on 11/18/2011 2:36:37 PM PST by magritte
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To: mdittmar

“To make it easier for employers to help people become legal.”

I see, so Cain really is okay with the hiring illegals... as long as the employer helps the illegal....... become legal.

Maybe I don’t understand him-—my brain hurts.


14 posted on 11/18/2011 2:38:36 PM PST by Gator113 (~Just livin' life, my way~.. Newt/West 2012.“I’ve got a lot swirling around in my head.”)
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To: BenKenobi

did you mean hit the ground running as in running from the immigration...

running and illegal immigrants made me laugh...

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15 posted on 11/18/2011 2:47:57 PM PST by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: mdittmar

Cain talking out both sides of his mouth, AGAIN!

Way to go, Herman! LOL


16 posted on 11/18/2011 2:49:03 PM PST by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Gator113
I understand this perfectly,but then my brain does not hurt because I don't spend most of the time sitting on it.
17 posted on 11/18/2011 2:54:41 PM PST by samantha (Sarah is our TEAple. leader for America the Beautiful...Go Herman Cain.)
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To: mdittmar
What do we do with them?

When someone comes into my home and I don't want them there, I usually place the in front of the door facing the way they came in and then boot them in the ass. It's not rocket science.

18 posted on 11/18/2011 2:55:20 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Stop BIG Government Greed Now!!!!)
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To: Reagan Man

SO Reagan Man— who is your candidate? Is badmouthing Cain helping him or her?


19 posted on 11/18/2011 2:55:44 PM PST by 22cal (Forgiven, not perfected)
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To: Gator113

“I see, so Cain really is okay with the hiring illegals... as long as the employer helps the illegal....... become legal.

Maybe I don’t understand him-—my brain hurts.”

I don’t see how people who enter the country legally should be considered illegals.

What he’s saying is that people who America wants to have here to work, and because they are qualified, should be able to do so with less red tape and bureaucracy. Again, you reward people for doing the right thing and obeying rather than disobeying the law.


20 posted on 11/18/2011 3:01:17 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: teeman8r

“did you mean hit the ground running as in running from the immigration...

running and illegal immigrants made me laugh...”

No, as in showing up everyday for work and working their ass off. The whole American dream. Work hard, start a family, earn a living and get rich.

For an enterprise, it’s like running a start up, you get things rolling, and you hit the ground, hard. That’s exactly what legal immigrants have to do, because they are starting without much at all in America. They have to build from scratch.


21 posted on 11/18/2011 3:03:43 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: Gator113

“I see, so Cain really is okay with the hiring illegals... as long as the employer helps the illegal....... become legal.”

Some enter legally on a tourist visa, it expires, while they are trying to get legal resident alien status for employment. It is the long time delay to get approved for employment, which is cited by many about this topic.


22 posted on 11/18/2011 3:05:03 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: 22cal
Its not badmouthing if its the truth. So stop whining. Fact is Cain is always talking out both sides of his mouth. This won't be the last time either.

My guy is Perry and he's been getting hammered for weeks. Some justified, some not. Goes with the territory, bucko.

23 posted on 11/18/2011 3:17:19 PM PST by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: mdittmar

Kudos to Cain for refusing to pander to Univision, as Perry did. Polutico is mad that he re-endorsed 1070 on the Spanish network, but legal immigrants and citizens applaud him.


24 posted on 11/18/2011 3:18:29 PM PST by montag813
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To: BenKenobi

“I don’t see how people who enter the country legally should be considered illegals.”

Neither do I. However, those were Cain’s words I was questioning. “....employers to help people become legal”. People legally here, do not need employers to make their legal presence legal... they already are.

I do not disagree with your explanation as to how it should be, but again, that is not what he said.

Look, I want Newt to win, but Cain is still our guy. He needs to learn to be clear... his failure to think before he speaks is feeding the media, hurting him and his supporters, while making us all look bad. THAT, and it makes my brain hurt. ;>)


25 posted on 11/18/2011 3:19:53 PM PST by Gator113 (~Just livin' life, my way~.. Newt/West 2012.“I’ve got a lot swirling around in my head.”)
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To: Gator113
I see, so Cain really is okay with the hiring illegals... as long as the employer helps the illegal....... become legal.

No...Cain endorsed AZ-style laws which mandate e-verify and have tough employer sanctions. He is putting his typical positive Cain-spin on it, which I love.

26 posted on 11/18/2011 3:22:19 PM PST by montag813
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To: Reagan Man
Cain talking out both sides of his mouth, AGAIN!

No...he gave a tepid apology and then walked that back with a clever quip about no one sneaking out. Then he endorsed AZ-style laws. YOUR guy (Perry) barely speaks English with either side of his mouth, opposed SB1070, and opposes a fence.

27 posted on 11/18/2011 3:26:51 PM PST by montag813
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To: Gator113

‘Neither do I. However, those were Cain’s words I was questioning. “....employers to help people become legal”. People legally here, do not need employers to make their legal presence legal... they already are.’

And why do you think that he was referring to people who are already in America? He’s referring to people who are not in America, who want to come to America.


28 posted on 11/18/2011 3:29:40 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: samantha

” I don’t spend most of the time sitting on it. “

“Most”, so you admit that you do spend time sitting on your head, but the greater (most) portion of your time is spent doing something else. LOL@

My head hurts because it takes studying and several interpreters to understand what Cain says, as well as notes to keep track of his revisions to his revisions.

Although limited by your schedule, why is it that you sit on your head?


29 posted on 11/18/2011 3:30:06 PM PST by Gator113 (~Just livin' life, my way~.. Newt/West 2012.“I’ve got a lot swirling around in my head.”)
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To: truth_seeker

Yes, this is a big, big problem.

It’s far easier to bypass the system altogether then to get clearance for employment in the US, jumping through all the hoops. This is part of why you see so many entering illegally.

This needs to be fixed.


30 posted on 11/18/2011 3:32:03 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: BenKenobi

Uncle-—I give up.


31 posted on 11/18/2011 3:33:44 PM PST by Gator113 (~Just livin' life, my way~.. Newt/West 2012.“I’ve got a lot swirling around in my head.”)
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To: montag813
Aside from his rhetoric and campaign pronouncements, Cain is an empty suit. No governing or legisaltive record to judge him on. No substance whatsoever.

Perry has a successful conservative governing record that folks can judge him on. And Perry supported the Arizona illegal immigrant law allowing the Texas AG to join in the lawsuit challenging the Feds. And Perry supports strategic fencing, boots on the ground and the best hitech hardware money can buy. It would be great to see an Israeli type border barrier on the entire 1200 mile Tex-Mex border. Paid for by the Feds. Not by the state of Texas.

32 posted on 11/18/2011 3:38:59 PM PST by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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33 posted on 11/18/2011 4:06:25 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: BenKenobi

In one of the debates Cain also pretty much said he’d let the illegals already here stay.


34 posted on 11/18/2011 4:17:50 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

Wow, way to be specific.


35 posted on 11/18/2011 4:21:25 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: Reagan Man

Well, that’s what happens when you are a real businessman who pays taxes rather then collects them. He has a record, solid conservatism, going back to ‘94 with his public opposition to health care.

Last I checked, Perry was in support of Slick Willy’s plan.


36 posted on 11/18/2011 4:24:50 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: Thom Pain
YOU: Do legal residents and citizens of Hispanic descent think it’s OK when the get burglarized, beaten and raped by an illegal alien invader as long as he is also Hispanic?

Cain: The way we deal with the illegals that are already here - empower the states. The federal government is incapable of solving that problem for the 11 to 12 million illegals that are here.

Sounds good to me......

37 posted on 11/18/2011 4:25:49 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (ue)
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To: mdittmar

Herman do not turn your back on your base. Illegal immigration is HUGE issue for tea party members. There should be a fence built.


38 posted on 11/18/2011 4:31:39 PM PST by doc
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To: montag813
No...he gave a tepid apology and then walked that back with a clever quip about no one sneaking out. Then he endorsed AZ-style laws. YOUR guy (Perry) barely speaks English with either side of his mouth, opposed SB1070, and opposes a fence.

No Perry did not oppose SB1070.

Perry also wants the fence , where practical in Texas. He wants other types of control in the places where a fence is not feasible.

39 posted on 11/18/2011 4:39:07 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: mdittmar

OK, Herman, you aren’t right for me.


40 posted on 11/18/2011 4:40:51 PM PST by GingisK
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To: BenKenobi
Cain has spent recent years as a radiotalkshow host. Rush, Levin and Hannity are conservative radiotalkshow hosts, but I wouldn't vote for anyone of them for potus. Without a governing or legislative record on which to judge Cain, we are left dissecting his public rhetoric, both past and present. When his rhetoric falls short, Cain falls short. One thing of substantive value we do have to judge Cain on is his vote for Clinton-Gore in 92. The fact his wife is STILL a Democrat doesn't help Cain with some folks.
41 posted on 11/18/2011 4:41:38 PM PST by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Gator113
My wife has a friend (Canadian) and her husband came in on a work-visa. He works for a large firm, and for some reason there aren't enough Americans to do the high-paying software stuff that he does. /S

Anyway - his company has been working hard to extend the work visa while also helping him become a citizen. It has been about 14 years, and I can't recall if they recently became citizens or are almost there. Not sure if that is typical or not - but it sounds like it is quite a long process.

42 posted on 11/18/2011 4:51:14 PM PST by 21twelve ("We can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust....and another lost generation.")
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To: 21twelve

“Anyway - his company has been working hard to extend the work visa while also helping him become a citizen.”

Exactly. He didn’t come here illegally, so his employer is not helping him to become legal. The employer is helping him to become a “citizen”. This system sucks on so many levels......14 years, ouch.


43 posted on 11/18/2011 4:59:52 PM PST by Gator113 (~Just livin' life, my way~.. Newt/West 2012.“I’ve got a lot swirling around in my head.”)
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To: Reagan Man

“I wouldn’t vote for anyone of them for potus.”

So you’d rather vote for someone who supported Clinton’s health care reform than vote for someone who opposed Clinton’s health care reform. You argued that we don’t know Cain’s positions on the issues, I’m arguing that yes, we do.

Just like we know Rush’s positions, we know Cain’s. And unlike Perry, Cain opposed Clinton’s health care reform. Perry supported it back then. Go and check.

“When his rhetoric falls short, Cain falls short.”

When his rhetoric is long, Cain goes the distance. It works both ways. In this case, his rhetoric is superior to Perry’s legislative record.

“The fact his wife is STILL a Democrat doesn’t help Cain with some folks.”

As opposed to Perry, who only ran as a republican, when he couldn’t get elected as a Democrat?


44 posted on 11/18/2011 5:05:58 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: Gator113

“Now, first we clean up the bureaucracy for legal immigration. It’s too cumbersome. It’s bureaucratic. We can fix that.”

From Cain’s quote above it sounds to me like he wants to make it easier for folks like my wife’s friend - not the illegals that are already here.

On the other hand - the whole immigration thing is tough. Even legal immigration. When we don’t have enough jobs to go around all ready. I doubt that this Canadian guy has something that lots of Americans don’t have. But I guess it has always been that way (when the Irish started coming over, etc.) But - of course this country was built by hard-working immigrants (like all of my grandparents), and will continue to be.

The illegals is a huge thing though. And as much as I would like to see them arrested and put on a bus - that isn’t going to happen. (Most would be on the next “bus” back anyway).

Targeted arrests in some areas have done some good and send others back home(the fear factor). Fences and tougher borders is a huge one obviously. Getting after the EMPLOYERS of illegals has a big effect. Heck, I think Obama has done better than most at getting rid of the illegals. (Even THEY can’t find work and are heading back home.)


45 posted on 11/18/2011 5:19:00 PM PST by 21twelve ("We can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust....and another lost generation.")
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To: BenKenobi
>>>>>You argued that we don’t know Cain’s positions on the issues...

Never said that. You did. We're talking politics and rhetoric alone is not a record to judge someone on when they run for public office. We don't REALLY know what Cain would do once he got into office. That is the epitome of an empty suit. Same goes for all radiotalkshow hosts who choose to run for public office without a public record of governance and/or legislation to back them up. If Cain had won in 2004 and spent some time in the Senate, we'd have something to evaluate and analyze him on. Right now, there is nothing.

I read all the threads about the letter Perry sent to Mrs. Clinton and he never said he supported Hillarycare. But its a fact, Cain voted for BillyBoy and Algore in 1992. Btw, Perry has been a Republican for over 23 years. Mrs Cain is STILL a Democrat.

46 posted on 11/18/2011 5:24:22 PM PST by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Reagan Man

“That is the epitome of an empty suit.”

Nonsense. We know all of his positions from his talk radio show, and from his political history. He’s been a conservative far longer than Perry, and was on the right side of the Clinton healthcare reform.

Perry was on the wrong side. Rather than being an empty suit, we can be more sure of Cain than Perry to be on the right side of this essential issue.

“If Cain had won in 2004 and spent some time in the Senate, we’d have something to evaluate and analyze him on. Right now, there is nothing.”

How’s that experience thing working out for you? If we want experience and electibility, that would prompt you to support Romney. We need someone who isn’t tainted, and that’s Cain. Someone who’s actually been on the other side of the aisle paying taxes rather than collecting them.

“I read all the threads about the letter Perry sent to Mrs. Clinton and he never said he supported Hillarycare.”

Yeah, he did. Go look up the facts.

“But its a fact, Cain voted for BillyBoy and Algore in 1992.”

You’re thinking Perry. He even ran Gore’s campaign and came out in favour of Hillary care.

“Btw, Perry has been a Republican for over 23 years. Mrs Cain is STILL a Democrat.”

Last I checked Mrs. Cain ain’t running for president. Apparently Mrs. Perry is.


47 posted on 11/18/2011 5:29:47 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: magritte

Cain’s path to citizenship begins with entering the country legally.

He is not talking about granting citizenship after the fact.


48 posted on 11/18/2011 5:31:26 PM PST by justsaynomore (http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: Gator113

Your problem is that you pick and choose what Cain says to try and make a point, instead of framing his statements as part of his platform.

He has not been ambiguous about immigration, he has maintained all along that he believes the first step on the path to citizenship is to enter the country legally.


49 posted on 11/18/2011 5:35:25 PM PST by justsaynomore (http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: Reagan Man
Comparing Cain's "record" to Rush and Hannity is funny...they've never ran (several) major corporations or associations.

Without a governing or legislative record on which to judge Cain, we are left dissecting his public rhetoric, both past and present.

Again, go back and check out his resume. I'm ready for someone with business sense to clean up the economic mess this country is in. We've seen what those with "governing and legislative" experience can do.

50 posted on 11/18/2011 5:35:45 PM PST by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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