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Scientist: Human Life Begins at Conception, Fertilization
Life News ^ | 11/18/11 | Gerard Nadal, Ph.D.

Posted on 11/18/2011 4:16:38 PM PST by wagglebee

When one considers the ethics of manipulation, the question of whether we ought to, or whether we may manipulate an organism or entity depends on the answer to the first and most fundamental question:

In the fields of obstetrical medicine and reproductive medicine the ethical debates have raged for four decades. Enlightened discourse between opposing parties must assume good motives by all involved, and then go about asking the essential questions, following where the truth of science and reason lead.

Many claim that life begins at some point distant from fertilization, always beyond the point at which they propose some manipulation (abortion, embryonic stem cell culturing, etc…). There are always a list of biological functions that are given to define when human life begins: Cognitive capacity, etc.

The simple biological truth of the matter is that the Cell Theory states that all cells arise from pre-existing cells. There is no blackout period between sperm and egg uniting, and then the emergence of ‘life’ at some point distant.

The Carnegie stages of human development indicate that human development begins in the zygotic stage. Then there is the assertion of developmental biologist and leading textbook author in the field, Scott Gilbert. In his text, Gilbert takes us through the life cycle of a dog. His text, Developmental Biology, is arguably the leading text in the field. According to Gilbert:

“Traditional ways of classifying catalog animals according to their adult structure. But, as J. T. Bonner (1965) pointed out, this is a very artificial method, because what we consider an individual is usually just a brief slice of its life cycle. When we consider a dog, for instance, we usually picture an adult. But the dog is a “dog” from the moment of fertilization of a dog egg by a dog sperm. It remains a dog even as a senescent dying hound. Therefore, the dog is actually the entire life cycle of the animal, from fertilization through death.”

First, note how he sets the word dog off in quotes at one point, to communicate the very essence of the organism:

But the dog is a “dog” from the fertilization of a dog egg by a dog sperm…

The same may be said of all vertebrates, including cats, giraffes, chimpanzees, and humans. Substituting the word human for dog in Gilbert’s analysis gets to the heart of the matter. We are human for our entire life cycle. We are whole and complete in form and function at every stage of our development, for that given developmental stage. The prepubescent child is fully human, even though they lack the capacity to execute all human functions, such as abstract reasoning, or reproduction.

In the same way, the early embryo is alive and fully human, though it has not yet executed all human organismal functions.

Photo via: embryology.med.unsw.edu.au


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In the same way, the early embryo is alive and fully human, though it has not yet executed all human organismal functions.

Precisely!

1 posted on 11/18/2011 4:16:40 PM PST by wagglebee
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2 posted on 11/18/2011 4:17:48 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 11/18/2011 4:18:34 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Anyone who has ever taken 8th grade biology already knew this. That “nonviable tissue mass” crap is something the people hating/abortion loving commie ‘RATS came up with.


4 posted on 11/18/2011 4:23:15 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Stop BIG Government Greed Now!!!!)
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To: wagglebee

You don’t have to be a scientist to know that life begins at the moment of conception.


5 posted on 11/18/2011 4:26:39 PM PST by JakeS (I have never had a flu shot and I have never had the flu.)
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To: wagglebee
What seems so glaringly obvious to conservatives you could not pound into the heads of liberals.

Liberalism is a disease.

6 posted on 11/18/2011 4:27:17 PM PST by South40 (NO RINOS IN 2012!)
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To: wagglebee

btw...thanks for posting this! :-)


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10 posted on 11/18/2011 4:31:46 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC BY DONATING NOW! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: wagglebee

From a scientific point of view, there never has been a question of whether the embryo is alive and human from the moment of conception.

That is precisely why so many artificial definitions of “human” have been invented. The only thing these definitions have in common is that whatever marker is put forth as being the definitive measure of what is “human” always, conveniently, develops after the point at which abortions are no longer performed (by the abortionist promoting that specific definition, anyway).


11 posted on 11/18/2011 4:32:33 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: wagglebee

There is never a moment, not one second, that a human zygote, embryo, fetus, etc. etc., is not human.

There is never a moment, not one second, that a human zygote, embryo, fetus, etc., etc. is not alive.

Thus, from the moment of conception, a human being is deserving of all of the rights and privileges of every other human being living under the protection of our Constitution.

Abortion is evil. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Abortion is the handmaiden of the Devil himself.

Every human being that is aborted is celebrated by Beelzebub with glee.

And woe unto our nation that has allowed more babies to be aborted - legally - than were slaughtered in all of the wars we were involved in, all of the victims of the Holocaust...

I weep for what we have done.


12 posted on 11/18/2011 4:33:18 PM PST by turfmann
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To: wagglebee

“Enlightened discourse between opposing parties must assume good motives by all involved, and then go about asking the essential questions...”

Only someone intellectually dishonest would assume or even care about “good motives”. Would the author suggest that “enlightened discourse” would require us to assume “good motives” or care about motives on the part of Nazis in a discussion of whether Jews are “fully human”.

The proabortionists are moral monsters.


13 posted on 11/18/2011 4:34:02 PM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: wagglebee

“Enlightened discourse between opposing parties must assume good motives by all involved, and then go about asking the essential questions...”

Only someone intellectually dishonest would assume or even care about “good motives”. Would the author suggest that “enlightened discourse” would require us to assume “good motives” or care about motives on the part of Nazis in a discussion of whether Jews are “fully human”.

The proabortionists are moral monsters.


14 posted on 11/18/2011 4:34:02 PM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: wagglebee

I find it interesting that it takes an educated idiot to figure out what we have all known all our lives. We can really rely on these people to help us understand.......wonderful.


15 posted on 11/18/2011 4:34:36 PM PST by RC2
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To: JakeS
You don’t have to be a scientist to know that life begins at the moment of conception.

Someone once noted that every teenage boy who has ever bought condoms knows when life begins.

16 posted on 11/18/2011 4:36:54 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
I think the pictures of the embryo with a tail have been disproved 150 years ago.
17 posted on 11/18/2011 4:36:56 PM PST by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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Pro-life bump!


18 posted on 11/18/2011 4:40:18 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wagglebee

The DNA of the zygote cell is it’s own, the DNA of the child.

The child’s DNA is different from the father’s - and also different from the mother’s DNA.

The zygote cell is therefore not of the mother’s body, as every cell of her body has her own DNA and the zygote’s DNA is that of the child.


19 posted on 11/18/2011 4:41:44 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: wagglebee

Life begins when you become a conservative.


20 posted on 11/18/2011 4:42:03 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: wagglebee

My husband used to say, “A fertilized egg is either a tomato or a person - which is it?” Only one answer.


21 posted on 11/18/2011 4:45:27 PM PST by Marcella (Newt will smash Obama in debates. Newt needs money.)
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To: wagglebee

Thank you for posting this!!


22 posted on 11/18/2011 4:46:26 PM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: wagglebee

That’s easy enough for you to say but I’m becoming more and more convinced that Democrats are not human.


23 posted on 11/18/2011 5:12:08 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: wagglebee

Many are in denial of this basic science


24 posted on 11/18/2011 5:17:22 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: turfmann

Only God can “breathe” a soul into a body, therefore I contend that there is no such thing as an “unwanted pregnancy”, no matter what the circumstances, for man cannot coax or force God to do that which He is unwilling to do. Only He decides when a womb is fertile and when it is barren.

From the movie “Come What May”
http://www.youtube.com/v/RndNVjZnQ6g&hl=en&fs=1


25 posted on 11/18/2011 5:40:44 PM PST by uptoolate (For the record: I have complete assurance that nothing can pluck me from His hand)
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To: wagglebee

Straightforward explanation. It will get us nowhere. People can go through extraordinary mental contortions to justify their positions - no matter how egregious.

But I’ll throw in a Pro-Life ping anyway!


26 posted on 11/18/2011 5:56:58 PM PST by Brownie63
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“That “nonviable tissue mass” crap is something the people hating/abortion loving commie ‘RATS came up with.”

For years now, we’ve been beyond the debate about whether or not it is a human life. They openly concede it is, and still adamantly support the right to destroy it.

Bald eagle eggs have more protection than a human egg; destroying them is a crime.


27 posted on 11/18/2011 6:03:10 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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Bald eagle eggs have more protection than a human egg; destroying them is a crime.

Great point and right on the money.

28 posted on 11/18/2011 6:06:52 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Stop BIG Government Greed Now!!!!)
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To: uptoolate

Great movie. We own that one. Will never win an Oscar or Emmy or whatever but the message is wonderful!


29 posted on 11/18/2011 6:15:06 PM PST by christianhomeschoolmommaof3
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Thanks; it is just one of the bizarre contradictions of the “abortion debate”.

I had a “professor” in the early 1990s that supported abortion, and used an example of waking up with another person lying on a gurney next to you, connected to you with tubes, etc. for life support (their organs weren’t functioning). She then tried to make the case that nobody should be forced to endure that, completely removing any personal responsibility from the issue and absolutely conceding that it involved a human life. She was basically making the argument of the Nazis in their destruction of retarded people, and in pursuit of the same goal: a master (white) race. The Axis lost WWII; the Nazis won.


30 posted on 11/18/2011 6:19:30 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: kearnyirish2

Wow! She sounds like a real loon. She’s lucky that her mother didn’t mind having her tubes connected to the nutty professor.


31 posted on 11/18/2011 6:22:46 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Stop BIG Government Greed Now!!!!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

She was a loon; I mention her name any time the school calls for fundraising. Even back then, the only support I had when I initially engaged in raising a contrary viewpoint was from Hindus and Muslims in the class.

It must really depress that wench that the numbers of both of those groups have increased substantially in NJ since then.


32 posted on 11/18/2011 6:28:54 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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33 posted on 11/18/2011 6:35:48 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: wagglebee; All

The full DNA structure occurs when the cells meet. Without this moment in time no case on DNA could stand, thus life begins at that moment (conception), God the spark of life when the first cell forms.


34 posted on 11/18/2011 7:22:42 PM PST by jafojeffsurf (Return to the Constitution)
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To: wagglebee

I’m entitled to reach my own conclusion about when a life begins and I conclude that a single fertilized cell is alive only in the sense that it is able add more cells to itself. Much beyond a few cells, though (I can’t say exactly where) it becomes an itty bitty human being whose killing is a sin.

A sin, yes, but should these killings be unlawful? I’m inclined to say yes because sanctioned abortion (not to mention subsidized abortion) is probably not good for the moral health of the society.


35 posted on 11/18/2011 7:37:22 PM PST by frposty (I'm a simpleton)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Anyone who has ever taken 8th grade biology already knew this.

Then former Justice of the Supreme Court Harry Blackmun and others obviously were unqualified for their positions, having flunked 8th grade biology...

the infowarrior

36 posted on 11/18/2011 10:43:01 PM PST by infowarrior
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To: PieterCasparzen
The zygote cell is therefore not of the mother’s body, as every cell of her body has her own DNA and the zygote’s DNA is that of the child.

Likewise known, and blatantly ignored by the "court" that decided Roe v Wade. That decision rates right 'up there' with Dred Scott, and for many of the same reasons. It flies in the face of basic humanity, science, and religion, it likewise legitimizes something which any fully rational person could only describe as evil to its core...

the infowarrior

37 posted on 11/18/2011 10:48:54 PM PST by infowarrior
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To: frposty
I’m entitled to reach my own conclusion about when a life begins and I conclude that a single fertilized cell is alive only in the sense that it is able add more cells to itself.

What other definition of biological life is there than metabolic functioning? You are entitled to your own opinion but you are not entitled to your own facts.

38 posted on 11/19/2011 1:06:33 AM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: wagglebee
Someone once noted that every teenage boy who has ever bought condoms knows when life begins.

I had not thought of that, but you are absolutely right. Thanks.

39 posted on 11/19/2011 5:42:09 AM PST by JakeS (I have never had a flu shot and I have never had the flu.)
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To: TigersEye

“You are entitled to your own opinion but you are not entitled to your own facts”

There are no concrete facts upon which to base a conclusion about the start of life.

Upon further thought, I believe that the act of conception is sacred. Were one of my children to get pregnant I would not advise an abortion unless it was apparent that it would avert a larger disaster.


40 posted on 11/19/2011 10:12:13 AM PST by frposty (I'm a simpleton)
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To: frposty
There are no concrete facts upon which to base a conclusion about the start of life.

Sure, there are. That first cell formed by the fusion of the gametes is the simplest possible form of a new, genetically distinct individual. Be it ever so humble, it's a new life. Of course, many of them never make it to implantation or to full prenatal development or post-natal development or to adulthood for one or another reason, but all of those reasons have this in common: they ended life.
41 posted on 11/19/2011 10:19:28 AM PST by aruanan
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To: wagglebee
In the same way, the early embryo is alive and fully human, though it has not yet executed all human organismal functions.

As was said here many years ago:
Genetically speaking, there is a time before which an individual of a sexually reproducing species does not exist and after which it does, be it ever so humble. From that moment to the moment of its dissolution it passes through definable stages of development and degeneration. Here are some that apply to us: zygote, embryo, fetus, newborn, infant, toddler, child, pre-adolescent, young adult, mature adult, old-aged. Upon this continuum of development place an asterisk where “it” becomes “human” and perhaps another where its humanity ceases as far as the empirical world is concerned. Many would place the asterisks at fertilization and death (death defined as the irreversible disruption of the continuum). I do. It is this creature appearing at fertilization and disappearing at death that is human.

42 posted on 11/19/2011 10:26:20 AM PST by aruanan
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To: frposty
There are no concrete facts upon which to base a conclusion about the start of life.

Except for metabolic functioning like cell division. Or initially; the almost miraculous combining of two cells which individually are incapable of mitosis into one cell that is.

43 posted on 11/19/2011 11:22:58 AM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: wagglebee

Can an egg or the sperm be dead? Are they not alive? Does not abortion end life, whereas the combination of an egg and wiggly sperm CONTINUE/create a new unique life???


44 posted on 11/19/2011 7:24:56 PM PST by huldah1776
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To: wagglebee

Too bad “LifeNews” and the compromised NRTL “leaders” they shill for act politically as if this isn’t so.


45 posted on 11/19/2011 7:28:47 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Nutritionally, you are what you eat. Politically, you are what you endorse.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“Anyone who has ever taken 8th grade biology already knew this.” This is why I was so astonished at the 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling. I was 17 at the time and thought it was obviously wrong scientifically and I expected the American people to rise up and demand a Constitutional amendment to protect human life from conception. That didn’t happen.

Regarding the humanity of a fertilized egg, I ask: 1) Is it alive? 2) What species is it? If it is alive and human, killing it is murder. QED

See my essay I wrote in 1977 about abortion on my Free Republic home page.


46 posted on 11/19/2011 8:21:49 PM PST by Forgiven_Sinner (Seek you first the kingdom of God, and all things will be given to you.)
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47 posted on 11/20/2011 10:30:54 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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I’m entitled to reach my own conclusion about when a life begins and I conclude that a single fertilized cell is alive only in the sense that it is able add more cells to itself. Much beyond a few cells, though (I can’t say exactly where) it becomes an itty bitty human being whose killing is a sin.

So, is this your way of saying that it's "above your pay grade"?

A sin, yes, but should these killings be unlawful? I’m inclined to say yes because sanctioned abortion (not to mention subsidized abortion) is probably not good for the moral health of the society.

Why don't you say that abortion should be "safe and legal and rare" because that certainly seems to be your attitude.

48 posted on 11/20/2011 10:40:05 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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“is this your way of saying that it’s “above your pay grade?”

We can beat this subject to death like it’s been beaten a thousand times before.

The last few posts are my conclusions at this time. It’s above my pay grade in that I’m not qualified tell others what their conclusions should be.

Abortion should be medically safe. Our government should not make it totally illegal and should not subsidize it. It should be rare.

Next question, please.


49 posted on 11/20/2011 11:52:28 AM PST by frposty (I'm a simpleton)
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We can beat this subject to death like it’s been beaten a thousand times before.

53 MILLION babies have been murdered since 1973, there are currently over 3500 babies being murdered EVERY DAY, an INNOCENT AMERICAN BABY IS MURDERED EVERY 24 SECONDS. Given all that, and seeing that FR is a pro-life forum, I am fully prepared to "beat this subject to death" and I don't give a damn what the naysayers think about it.

The last few posts are my conclusions at this time. It’s above my pay grade in that I’m not qualified tell others what their conclusions should be.

So, I assume you are "personally opposed" to abortion, but don't want to tell others not to kill babies?

Abortion should be medically safe. Our government should not make it totally illegal and should not subsidize it. It should be rare.

You sound just like every leftist in America.

Next question, please.

Okay, why aren't you on DU? You clearly have much more in common with them.

50 posted on 11/20/2011 12:09:36 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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