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Reagan and Gingrich (Reagan's Ghost Writer?)
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Posted on 11/19/2011 1:28:19 PM PST by jessduntno

Reagan and Gingrich (from 1980)

In his 1980 debate with President Carter, Ronald Reagan famously said:

"...I think when you make that decision, it might be well if you would ask yourself, are you better off than you were four years ago? Is it easier for you to go and buy things in the stores than it was four years ago? Is there more or less unemployment in the country than there was four years ago? Is America as respected throughout the world as it was? Do you feel that our security is as safe, that we're as strong as we were four years ago? And if you answer all of those questions yes, why then, I think your choice is very obvious as to whom you will vote for. If you don't agree, if you don't think that this course that we've been on for the last four years is what you would like to see us follow for the next four, then I could suggest another choice that you have.

In an August 26, 1980 memo to Reagan advisers Evans, Laxalt and Kemp, Newt wrote:

When Carter in the debate has a nicely sounding statement on the economy or anything else, Reagan should not answer Carter or discuss the details of Carter's statement. Instead, he should look straight into the TV camera and say:

"You measure in your pocketbook whether or not what he's just said has been true these past four years. If your life is better, you should vote for him; he is the President and he's responsible. If your life is worse you should vote against him; he is the President and therefore he's responsible"

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A freshman has an idea...the whole memo is reproduced and goes into startling detail. Worth a look.

Note: I am NOT comparing Newt to George Washington.

1 posted on 11/19/2011 1:28:22 PM PST by jessduntno
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To: jessduntno

Bump.


2 posted on 11/19/2011 1:33:11 PM PST by jpsb
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To: jessduntno

If this is true, it is very interesting. Especially when you consider how important that line in the debate was. It framed the argument very concisely for that election and has been used in others to great effect. I wonder why someone like Newt, who loves to brag, didn’t let this info out earlier?


3 posted on 11/19/2011 1:38:33 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: jessduntno

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4 posted on 11/19/2011 1:39:04 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC BY DONATING NOW! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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5 posted on 11/19/2011 1:41:51 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: jessduntno

WOW...interesting! Thanks for posting.


6 posted on 11/19/2011 1:44:05 PM PST by Aria ( "If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.")
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To: Lazlo in PA

“If this is true, it is very interesting.”

If it wasn’t, it would be a pretty elaborate hoax. The memos are reproduced in full...and they don’t look like they came from Dan Rather’s Selectric!


7 posted on 11/19/2011 1:54:12 PM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: Lazlo in PA

I wonder that, too. Newt likes to talk about himself.


8 posted on 11/19/2011 2:21:45 PM PST by RockinRight (The circular firing squad among conservatives has Romney smiling.)
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9 posted on 11/19/2011 2:22:42 PM PST by TitansAFC (Doug Hoffman says it's good to support Newt, so stop being mad on his behalf when he doesn't want it)
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To: jessduntno

Liberals from Obama to Gingrich borrow constantly from President Reagan. But that just does not make them Ronald Reagan!

At least Herman Cain uses his own words, and they seem to resonate very well with the people. He is doing amazingly well considering the garbage being thrown at him by liberals and conservatives alike.

Too bad some people don’t stay on the train until we arrive at the station, because then we all lose.

Herman Cain is still the man with the plan who can: he can bring manufacturing back to America, bringing jobs, jobs, jobs with them. He can demand a balanced budget (with a few less crusty career politicians in Congress.) He can cut spending if the house and the senate are cleaned out, and replaced with people from the real world.

I would like to see term limits imposed. Small business can thrive when President Cain eliminates the EPA. More jobs, jobs, jobs! Everyone will have more money to live on because prices will be lower, and taxes will be fair. And on and on.

Don’t let the media put you off with it’s out and out lies. Stay on the train. with Herman Cain!

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10 posted on 11/19/2011 2:30:11 PM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: RockinRight
I wonder that, too. Newt likes to talk about himself.

You should read your tagline

11 posted on 11/19/2011 2:33:54 PM PST by tsowellfan
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To: Paperdoll
You clearly did not comprehend what the article says. In your haste to promote your candidate, you missed the fact that Gingrich did not "borrow" from President Reagan, he wrote the words that Reagan paraphrased to win that debate.

It was Gingrich's strategy and concept that Reagan used, not the other way around.
12 posted on 11/19/2011 2:41:01 PM PST by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
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To: Paperdoll

“Liberals from Obama to Gingrich borrow constantly from President Reagan. But that just does not make them Ronald Reagan!”

Oh, cripes. I never said they were equals. If you read the entire piece the link went to, it shows you a word for word blueprint of one of the seminal thoughts expressed. Take it or leave it, but it is remarkable that Newt wrote one of the most famous lines - and lines of thought - in recent political history.

I’ll stick with that.

Thanks for your opinion, but try seeing the point made, not justifying the one you want to make.


13 posted on 11/19/2011 2:44:14 PM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: jessduntno

And I get fed up with people who like to link their names with a truly fine man like Ronald Reagan just to make themselves look good. Can’t they stand on their own records?


14 posted on 11/19/2011 2:50:24 PM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: Paperdoll

“And I get fed up with people who like to link their names with a truly fine man like Ronald Reagan just to make themselves look good. Can’t they stand on their own records?”

Newt WAS linked to RR. He suggested his signature line and possible campaign winning slogan to him, for one. And his record?

He’s been working with the military since 1979, the only one who has created two Republican congressional majorities, who authored the Contract with America, balanced a budget for four years and passed tax cuts that led to job creation and lower unemployment.

Not too shabby.


15 posted on 11/19/2011 3:00:58 PM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: tsowellfan

I consider that a personality trait, but neither a positive or negative. I may well vote for Newt.


16 posted on 11/19/2011 3:05:51 PM PST by RockinRight (The circular firing squad among conservatives has Romney smiling.)
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To: Paperdoll
I get fed up with sycophants who like to create straw arguments to make their candidate look good.

Do try to follow along here. Newt did not attempt to link himself to Reagan, he did not write this article and he has never--to my knowledge--ever mentioned this revelation.

What Newt did was create the argument that was critical in catapulting Reagan into the Presidency. If anything, one could say that Reagan linked his name to Gingrich's by taking his advice and using his argument.

As to "standing on his own record," Newt is doing precisely that--even to the extent of inviting MSM scrutiny of that record--and his record so eclipses that of Herman Cain that one could say that it reduces Cain to irrelevance.
17 posted on 11/19/2011 3:08:19 PM PST by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
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To: Sudetenland; Paperdoll

“You clearly did not comprehend what the article says.”

Love is blind.


18 posted on 11/19/2011 3:16:05 PM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: RockinRight

You have to admit there is no one in the field who can mop the floor with the community organizer and chief but Newt while also correcting the media chumps who are asking the questions. This is a big popcorn event!


19 posted on 11/19/2011 3:18:34 PM PST by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: jessduntno

I don’t care if Reagan was a huge mechanical puppet controlled by Gingrich, I am voting for Cain. I will not let the media pick my candidate, by smearing my candidate with unfounded accusations and creative editing of interviews.

Go Cain!


20 posted on 11/19/2011 3:26:04 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Cain 2012!)
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To: Sudetenland

“Do try to follow along here. Newt did not attempt to link himself to Reagan, he did not write this article and he has never—to my knowledge—ever mentioned this revelation.”

Funny that you say “revelation.”

It really was a revelation to me that this was buried so well, when I first came across it. It was in my memory bank from somewhere back thirty years ago - I too do not remember Newt ever mentioning this - and it took some real digging to find it. The disheartening thing about this revelation, for me, is the way it firmed up my belief in the treachery of the Grand Old Potty.

I think that sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach is that the government on both sides has gone so completely rogue on the American people. That deconstruction of history drove the desire for the total purge of all things Newt from the GOP. It was so complete that I firmly believe this is the proof of it. I don’t think they want Newt anywhere near the White House.


21 posted on 11/19/2011 3:27:41 PM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

“I will not let the media pick my candidate, by smearing my candidate with unfounded accusations and creative editing of interviews.”

Huh?


22 posted on 11/19/2011 3:28:58 PM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: jessduntno

No, dear, I am half blind. It is very difficult for me to read anything but very short articles. Ane sometimes I misread a word or two., but I still have a heart for adding to the melee. Sorry.


23 posted on 11/19/2011 3:30:02 PM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: jessduntno
They want Mitt . . . it has ever been the "establishment Republican" way to believe that running for President is basically the privilege of the next guy in line.

They didn't want Reagan, they wanted Bush 41. They then wanted Bush 41 and got him. After Bush's turn, it was Dole's turn and that's who they managed to get. Once more, in 2000 they were frustrated by an upstart Bush 43--they wanted Cain. In 2008 they wanted Cain and they got him.

By now you would think that they would see the pattern. When an upstart gets the nomination, Republicans win. When the "establishment candidate" wins the nomination, they lose. The only exception to that was Bush 41 and the only reason he was nominated is that everybody assumed he would be a third term of Reaganism.

They don't want Newt, he is too conservative, too competent, and too willing to upset the apple cart on which they are all riding.
24 posted on 11/19/2011 3:34:12 PM PST by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
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To: Sudetenland

“They want Mitt . . . it has ever been the “establishment Republican” way to believe that running for President is basically the privilege of the next guy in line.”

Sorry...no, I recognize the Mitt hunger...I meant that they are going further and further to sabotage rather than the benign neglect of the past. It is getting into scrubbing history and “dirty tricks” on our own.

SP’s populism scared the bejeebers out of them. I still think they worry about a third party challenge or a draft.


25 posted on 11/19/2011 3:49:44 PM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: jessduntno
Where is this on display in the Reagan library, or what file???? Otherwise, has someone may have up with an Oliver type writer???
26 posted on 11/19/2011 4:21:55 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: org.whodat

“Where is this on display in the Reagan library, or what file?”

Still can’t figure out that whole Google, download, or open the file link thing, eh, genius?


27 posted on 11/19/2011 4:27:19 PM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: jessduntno
Newt never created crap, talk radio did.
28 posted on 11/19/2011 4:27:30 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: org.whodat

“Newt never created crap, talk radio did.”

You were created by talk radio? Huh.

This was written in 1980, dimwit. What did you expect, a PDF? Follow the links, read the books, read something. Either that or have another glass of that 100 proof stupid you seem to be chugging and keep telling yourself how smart you are.


29 posted on 11/19/2011 4:32:21 PM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: jessduntno
Nice try, and you proof Reagan ever seen and/read this is what.
30 posted on 11/19/2011 4:35:48 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: jessduntno

Thanks for this. We need Newt to save this country.


31 posted on 11/19/2011 4:45:46 PM PST by Marcella (Newt will smash Obama in debates. Newt needs money.)
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32 posted on 11/19/2011 4:52:44 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: jessduntno
Newt is the reason I do not believe this crap, the man has an ego the size of a super tanker, if he had a link to anything Reagan such as this he would have told you seven days a week twice a day and four times on Sunday. Either that are he would have popped a fuse.

it is the day of the computer, you can made and fake anything on paper and blue screen the monsters in the movies are not real.

33 posted on 11/19/2011 5:04:36 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: jessduntno

hmmmm

In reading that, without thinking about it, I could hear Newt speaking those words. It has his cadence and his succinct ability to cut to the core.

as to why he has never said anything? He greatly admired and cared about Reagan. And he is not given to bragging (which is different than pointing out what he HAS done as illustrations of what he WILL do.

In Watching the debate tonight, I was struck by how many of the other candidates were “When I (capitol “I”) am Commander in Chief, I...” etc.

Newt is more about solutions and examples over “I/me.”

The others, not so much.

Interesting that Ron Paul, the oldest, with more time to’ve had personal regrets about things in his past (when they were asked about it) had none...except that he didn’t pursue what he believes would’ve been a note-worthy sports record. (snicker) Must be comforting to look back on your life and think: “I’m spotless.”

What’s that old saying: “A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory.”


34 posted on 11/19/2011 5:10:17 PM PST by maine-iac7 (ALWAYS WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: org.whodat

“Nice try, and you proof Reagan ever seen and/read this is what.”

You really shouldn’t post while drunk.


35 posted on 11/19/2011 5:10:20 PM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: jessduntno
Note: I am NOT comparing Newt to George Washington.

It's a good think you wrote that, becasue I was about to drop an elbow on you. LOL!

36 posted on 11/19/2011 5:12:26 PM PST by writer33 (Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
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To: jessduntno
Here is newt in the eighties an admitted drunk: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/newt/vanityfair5.html
37 posted on 11/19/2011 5:17:55 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: maine-iac7

“In reading that, without thinking about it, I could hear Newt speaking those words. It has his cadence and his succinct ability to cut to the core.”

Well, there’s that...and I can’t imagine him allowing a bogus story at this stage. Plus, it is a small part of a rather obscure piece of writing. The author and time of publishing seem to be consistent and the scans look plain enough to be authentic...fakes usually try to embellish with something over the top.

It’ll be interesting to see if anyone picks this up - it is quite a revelation, I think.

And I agree, if it isn’t Newt (even a young Newt) it has that quirky “I’m looking for something here, wherever it leads...” quality. The problem Newt has with his detractors and the politics aficionados is that he just sometimes doesn’t engage the political filter and says what’s in the academic’s mind. That’s a no-no for them and the thing that I like best.


38 posted on 11/19/2011 5:19:39 PM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: Paperdoll
1. This didn't come from Gingrich.

2.Gingrich wrote this BEFORE the famous debate.

3. Gingrich worked close with Reagan.

4. Reagan was personally aware of Newt's abilities and why wouldn't he ‘use’ him? Peggy Newnan was most known as one of his speech writers - all president's have speech writer's. But Reagan was known to go through the speeches and tweek them...not just read them verbatim - like the POS we have in the WH now. Reagan was no dummy.

5. Ignorance of the above does make it not true.


39 posted on 11/19/2011 5:25:00 PM PST by maine-iac7 (ALWAYS WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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40 posted on 11/19/2011 5:25:00 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: ronnie raygun
This is a big popcorn event!

I've put in a years supply. ;o)

41 posted on 11/19/2011 5:27:45 PM PST by maine-iac7 (ALWAYS WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: org.whodat

Here is newt in the eighties an admitted drunk: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/newt/vanityfair5.html

Wow.

Here is RR in the sixties an admitted Democrat:

“This is Ronald Reagan speaking to you from Hollywood. You know me as a motion picture actor but tonight I’m just a citizen pretty concerned about the national election next month and more than a little impatient with those promises the Republicans made before they got control of Congress a couple years ago.

I remember listening to the radio on election night in 1946. Joseph Martin, the Republican Speaker of the House, said very solemnly, and I quote, “We Republicans intend to work for a real increase in income for everybody by encouraging more production and lower prices without impairing wages or working conditions”, unquote. Remember that promise: a real increase in income for everybody. But what actually happened?

The profits of corporations have doubled, while workers’ wages have increased by only one-quarter. In other words, profits have gone up four times as much as wages, and the small increase workers did receive was more than eaten up by rising prices, which have also bored into their savings.


42 posted on 11/19/2011 5:30:07 PM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: jessduntno

Here’s a speech from Newt that I got in an Email today! If I wasn’t already a fan, this would have clinched the deal. From Nov 2009: http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=qtjfMjjce2Y


43 posted on 11/19/2011 5:32:01 PM PST by matthew fuller ((1) fully fund defense, (2) transform entitlement programs, and (3) do not raise taxes!)
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To: Sudetenland
they want Mitt . . . it has ever been the "establishment Republican" way to believe that running for President is basically the privilege of the next guy in line.

I have said, for 30 years, that this is the Achilles Heel of the Republican party.

It's the main reason I finally 'retired" from active 'political action." It was that or, literally, crack some heads.

44 posted on 11/19/2011 5:33:56 PM PST by maine-iac7 (ALWAYS WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: jessduntno
And it has not one thing to do with anything other than it is history.
45 posted on 11/19/2011 5:34:54 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: org.whodat
Hey orggie.

You're slipping.

It took you to post #33 to get in y our Newt bashing...

Still haven't told us who YOUR horse in the race is - and how they can better beat obummer and how they can turn this country around quick enough to save us.

Go ahead. Go for it.


46 posted on 11/19/2011 5:40:27 PM PST by maine-iac7 (ALWAYS WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: org.whodat
oops - my mistake - you got by post #26 -with this typical -for y ou - erudite post:

Newt never created crap, talk radio did.

brwahahahahahaaha

47 posted on 11/19/2011 5:43:55 PM PST by maine-iac7 (ALWAYS WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: org.whodat
Nice try, and you proof Reagan ever seen and/read this is what.

Oh my. Is that the bottle talking/typing or just your inherent - ah - lack of gray matter?

This post of yours answers a lot of questions. Hereafter I won't point out how inane your posts are. For one thing, you probably don't understand half of what is posted and for another, I don't hit back at simpletons.

48 posted on 11/19/2011 5:49:56 PM PST by maine-iac7 (ALWAYS WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: org.whodat

“And it has not one thing to do with anything other than it is history.”

But Newt’s history does?

You are a crackpot. Seek help.


49 posted on 11/19/2011 5:51:48 PM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: matthew fuller

Geez. He doesn’t SOUND like a RINO.

I’m betting there is no comparable candidate’s speech out there.


50 posted on 11/19/2011 5:53:08 PM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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