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Navy frigate sent to Libya with four missiles (UK)
The Daily Telegraph ^
| 21 Nov 2011
Posted on 11/22/2011 3:31:41 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Venturer
The cuts start in 2013. There is a certain way to make sure that Hussein has nothing to do with the budget after the election.
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posted on
11/22/2011 5:27:50 AM PST
by
Former Proud Canadian
(Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, or the jobs that go with it.)
To: sukhoi-30mki
"Left hand down a bit, Chief Pertwee."
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posted on
11/22/2011 5:35:03 AM PST
by
Jonah Hex
("To Serve Manatee" is a cookbook!)
To: sukhoi-30mki
Yeah, but they have plenty of money to waste on all of their social welfare ratholes.
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posted on
11/22/2011 5:43:25 AM PST
by
Redleg Duke
("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
To: sukhoi-30mki; archy
It’s sad how far Great Britain has sunk.
This is what happens in a welfare state. Buying votes from the proles trumps having an effective military. Britain is now an empty husk.
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posted on
11/22/2011 6:03:54 AM PST
by
Travis McGee
(www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
To: Travis McGee
This is what happens in a welfare state. Buying votes from the proles trumps having an effective military. Britain is now an empty husk. And our congress just abbrogated their authority and responsibility to allow Obama to turn our nation 's military hollow.
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posted on
11/22/2011 6:11:32 AM PST
by
TADSLOS
(Lexicon Genetics- Rick Perry's Solyndra Moment)
To: sukhoi-30mki
In another recent admission, the Royal Navy said it was unable to spare a warship to guard British waters for the whole of October after last year’s defence cuts. This seems like a century ago.
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posted on
11/22/2011 6:17:48 AM PST
by
Oztrich Boy
(New gets old. Steampunk is always cool)
To: sukhoi-30mki
The Brits can be a stingy lot. I studied there, I know them.
To: Oztrich Boy
"Rule Britannia, we use to rule the waves........
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posted on
11/22/2011 6:36:56 AM PST
by
Robe
(Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
To: sukhoi-30mki
Whomever deployed this vessel should be court marshaled if they are in the military. If it was a civilian decision they should be executed in public.
All senior military officers who didn’t refuse to deploy the vessel should be publicly exposed and then court marshaled.
Sailing in harms way is one thing. Purposely being placed in harms way as soon as the colors are shifted is a totally different matter.
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posted on
11/22/2011 6:40:55 AM PST
by
em2vn
To: BufalloSoldier
Thats not a bad thing sometimes, though.
p.s where did you live and study?. What did you like and dislike about the UK, and be brutally honest.
To: sukhoi-30mki
And the enemidia knows this because? Who was stupid enough to reveal this bit of intelligence and put a ship and crew at risk? Sounds like treason!
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posted on
11/22/2011 6:59:47 AM PST
by
JimRed
(Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
To: JimRed
If you think the Royal Navy was being cheap in arming its frigate to enter a war zone, consider the USN and the Mk 48 torpedo.
For those not up on torpedoes, the Mk 48 is the primary anti-sub and anti-ship weapon of the American Navy's SSN (fast attack) and SSBN (ballistic missile) subs. About the size of a WW2 “dumb” (unguided) torpedo, the Mk 48 relies on wire guidance and active sonar to find and kill its prey. One shot is usually enough — look up the sinking of the destroyer escort HMAS TORRENS (DE-53) by the submarine HMAS FARNCOMB (SSG-74) in 1999 on YouTube ir Wikipedia.
In the 1990s, had the USN gone to war, its submarine fleet had one complete load-out of Mk 48s for all its SSN/SSBN boats. When they came back to reload their torpedo racks (those that came back), there were only enough Mk 48 reloads to fill HALF the racks on the boats. After the first reload, there were no more Mk 48s in the inventory for a second reload. Since then, nothing has improved for the Mk 48 situation except things have gotten worse.
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posted on
11/22/2011 8:44:08 AM PST
by
MasterGunner01
(To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
To: MasterGunner01
In the 1990s, had the USN gone to war, its submarine fleet had one complete load-out of Mk 48s for all its SSN/SSBN boats. When they came back to reload their torpedo racks (those that came back), there were only enough Mk 48 reloads to fill HALF the racks on the boats. After the first reload, there were no more Mk 48s in the inventory for a second reload. Since then, nothing has improved for the Mk 48 situation except things have gotten worse.
True, but the US wasn't preparing for a long-term slug-fest/war of attrition. There was enough firepower in the Navy to sink EVERY potential target multiple times over. And do it very quickly. That overall capability (quality over quantity for the entire military) was revealed when we dropped Iraq's Soviet-supplied offensive and defensive capabilities in a single night in mid-January 1991.
Mk.48s are close-in/knife-fight weapons. Very, very good ones, of course, but back in the 1990s it was understood that the SSN force would significantly attrit enemy surface ships with TSAM and Harpoons, and enemy subs with SUBROC (ok, that's only through the late 1980s) before having to turn to the Mk.48s. It was also understood that P-3s would significant attrit enemy subs before the SSN/SSBN force had to engage.
The fact is that a late-1980s/early-90s general conflict with the USSR would have seen their conventional military capability annihilated, probably with them then resorting to nukes, long before the SSN force finished its first war patrols and needed a reload.
To: Former Proud Canadian
Quite Correct. But if he is re-elected , hold on to your hat -—he will run wild.
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posted on
11/22/2011 2:17:26 PM PST
by
Venturer
To: Travis McGee
Its sad how far Great Britain has sunk. This is what happens in a welfare state. Buying votes from the proles trumps having an effective military. Britain is now an empty husk.
My latest addition to our crew in our little corner of the Rawles Redoubt is a former Royal Marine sergeant, about as unhappy with his initial exposure to urban USA [Indianapolis] as he was to what has happened to his native Blackpool.
His parents have passed on, and he had not the slightest interest in bnurdening his life with one of the typical dimwit lasses who's grown up under the Labour Party's governing policies and educational system. Accordingly, he;s looking forward to meeting a few nice Wyoming girls, not to mention one oer two who may not be all that nice.
But when I told him we had a couple of relocated Gurkhas in the area, he positively brightened. And when I told him he had the use of my L1A1 SLR until he could pick up a decent gat of his own, he was quite happy, and inquired a bit about bolt guns as well. Oh yes, I think he's going to fit in just fine.
Their loss is our gain. Enoch was right.
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posted on
11/22/2011 5:49:17 PM PST
by
archy
(I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
To: Venturer
If Hussein is re-elected, you might not have a country left in 4 years.
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posted on
11/22/2011 7:14:58 PM PST
by
Former Proud Canadian
(Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, or the jobs that go with it.)
To: Oztrich Boy
Quite imposing. Quite amazing. Wow.
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posted on
11/23/2011 12:49:16 AM PST
by
spetznaz
(Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
To: Former Proud Canadian
Don’t think that thought hasn’t crossed my mind.
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posted on
11/23/2011 4:20:37 AM PST
by
Venturer
To: Venturer
It’s kind of scary, and I don’t even live in the US.
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posted on
11/23/2011 4:46:36 AM PST
by
Former Proud Canadian
(Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, or the jobs that go with it.)
To: Former Proud Canadian
When we go down the world goes down son, I do not mean to be arrogant in saying that, but the United States is the greatest defender of freedoms in this world, and in any vacuum there is always something trying to fill the void.
That something today is Islam, or Communism.
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posted on
11/23/2011 4:53:11 AM PST
by
Venturer
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