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Police officers arrest a man twice because they think he possesses items that are illegal. They are wrong. It takes an expert to determine that the guns are legal. If a police officer cannot easily determine if an item is illegal or not, how can a citizen be able to do so?
1 posted on 11/22/2011 6:01:50 AM PST by marktwain
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marktwain wrote:
"If a police officer cannot easily determine if an item is illegal or not, how can a citizen be able to do so?"

Well, in the PRK, that's the citizens' problem... 'citizen'.

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2 posted on 11/22/2011 6:22:22 AM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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The law is unconstitutional... if a trained police officer can’t know whether its illegal to possess a given type of weapon, enforcement is likely to be arbitrary and capricious. It cannot be enforced fairly since the average citizen has no way to know in advance if he is in compliance with the law. The law’s constitutional defect cannot be cured. It must be struck down.


4 posted on 11/22/2011 6:49:32 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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"Laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding", "shall not be infringed".

Easy. They are legal. Now bring Kalifornistanian law into agreement with the Constitution and all will be well. For those who insist on perpetuating their current legal fiction, try them and execute them for violation of USC Title 18 Sections 241 and 242.

5 posted on 11/22/2011 6:50:00 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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The heck with “vague and ambiguous,” what about being against the Miller precedent? Does the firearm have “some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia”? Is it “any part of the ordinary military equipment or that its use could contribute to the common defense”? If so, the law runs contrary to the logic and rationale of the Miller case, which stands on the 2nd amendment.


7 posted on 11/22/2011 6:54:24 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: marktwain

Of course the CaliCommie Legislature will probably “fix” the problem by outlawing all semi-autos.


19 posted on 11/22/2011 9:39:31 AM PST by Hugin ("Most time a man'll tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear"--Open Range)
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To: marktwain
It takes an expert to determine that the guns are legal

Nonsense!

The laws, 2 involved, are clear. Certain receivers are banned. When "off list" receivers are part of a complete weapon, that weapon is still illegal if it has a defined combination of evil features.

Given a list of banned weapons and the evil features formula, 6th graders could make an accurate determination within a couple of minutes.

There are exception to the rule. I've witnessed more than one gun enthusiast question the legality of an unmodiified magazine release, without first determining if the weapon was center fire.

21 posted on 11/22/2011 1:52:00 PM PST by Amerigomag
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