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Thanks Joe! It was JIT!
Posted on 11/22/2011 3:37:12 PM PST by kristinn
Notice how if anyone starts to get close the real problem - Obama's economic, political, and anti-American train wreck, they're quickly cut off and the subject is changed?
Why are we letting the Left hold us hostage like this?
NOPE! Not so fast...
Jose is still a criminal. Either he goes to jail and gets deported, or utilizes the "wetback draft" joins the military, signs a special waiver declining all GI benefits, serves overseas, and gets an honorable discharge.
Maybe then...
Yep. A true example of ‘Gone Galt’. I don’t ever see her as a politician, she couldn’t get elected. Her positions are uncompromising (as well they should be), and politicians have to compromise as they go about doing their work. Best if we could get her into the Cabinet level (inside the machinery) where she could really turn the screws on all these aholes. Conservatives have to start playing ‘smarter’ than their enemies and start getting deviously smarter. Conservatives are ‘too nice’ and ‘too upfront’ because by nature they are ‘principled’ people, unlike their enemies who are ‘not too nice’ and ‘not too upfront’ and could care less about being ‘principled’, and so they wind up hoodwinking everyone into positions of power to then really screw everyone.
Their kids and grandkids born in the US are citizens and can't be prevented from all of that. Many illegals would deport themselves if they couldn't work or purchase things. But the ones Newt was talking about who have grandkids here and have put down roots would stay, even if it meant being dependent on their kids and grandkids.
Time will tell.
Anyways, a few weeks ago we had a similar conversation and he told me he would not vote for Obama again. We discussed Herman Cain and he said he would definitely be voting for him over Obama.
Now, honestly, this guy is a flipping genius and yeah, he is black even though I hadn't really thought about it before. I always thought of him as "professor" (he's actually a doctor but I like professor better) or by his nickname which is short for the Spanish version of his name, even though he's from NYC. We've had a lot of fun, from Florida to Vegas and I've even had to cart him to the hospital and take care of him and paperwork and stuff.
He's a dear friend, and but he earned my deep respect for his sheer brilliance and brutal honesty. Yet even he voted for Obama in 2008, with all that sheer brilliance and talent, he voted for the socialist bastard because he was black.
Best I could do was say "Ah jeez, don't do that again..." He said if Cain was our guy he'd support him, but he's already promised he wouldn't vote for Obama again.
Anyways, we have one convert - LOL!
1. There are blacks not satisfied with Obama that will not vote for him again.
2. Cain gives them "more cover" to vote Republican than a white candidate would. They don't have to feel as traitorous, or be afraid to admit their vote to their family. If Cain is the GOP nominee, this effectively doubles the impact of the dissatisfied black vote that stays home with a white GOP nominee.
This makes me think Cain is the most electable Republican candidate. That said, I still prefer Gingrich.
and isn’t a Washington insider who got rich on Washington corruption
This doesn't have to do with citizenship. It has to do with legalization of their status to stay and work here. Essentially, they will be able to receive everything a citizen does except vote. 50% of illegal aliens lack even a high school degree. They are filling 8 million jobs in this country at a time when 25 million Americans are looking for a full time job. We already have 300,000 to 400,000 anchor babies who receive birthright citizenship.
Yet you are missing that the Heritage Foundation is specifically defining amnesty as granting citizenship. Only the families of CITIZENS are entitled to family reunification.
Not so. Green card holders can have their families join them. People in an LPR status have the right to bring spouses and minor children into the country. And it is pure sophistry to believe that once you legalize the 12 to 20 million illegals in this country, there won't be a move to provide them with a path to citizenhip. And I doubt that Congress would ever pass what amounts to second class citizenship for millions of people. It is the camel's nose under the tent.
I wondered about that one last night! Very deserving! :)
Newt is making it up as he is going along. I wonder how he would implement such an amnesty. Does he even have any idea as to how many we are talking about? Would the grandparents have access to Obamacare or Medicaid in the US if they are poor?
I found it ironic that Newt was talking about amnesty for those who have been here for 25 years. It was 25 years ago that we had the "one-time" 1986 amnesty. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over again and expecting different results.
How did you react when the little boy in South Florida was taken away from his family and sent back to South America? Where you soundly behind that decision? Did you watch with satisfaction as the swat team tore him from the arms of family members?
tell them to take them with them, or we will place them into foster care.
Yes, but ONLY spouses and minor children, i.e. immediate family. Citizens are allowed to bring in almost all relatives, their parents, grandparents, aunts, cousins, even in-laws. The Heritage Study you were talking about was surely referencing that in their numbers.
And surely, if you are defining a new pathway to LPR status, you can limit it more than it currently is in other pathways.
Listen, I agree with you more than I agree with Newt. But realistically, Newt's approach of closing the border and beginning to deport illegals (just not 100% of them) is one million times better than any president of my 50 year lifetime. And one HUNDRED million times better than Obama. And even though I wish this weren't true, I really don't believe a president could succeed in trying to deport them all. On this issue moderates tend to support SOME deportation, but won't go for 100%, so together with the liberal votes that don't want any deportation, any attempt to do 100% would be doomed to failure.
Yeah, not unlike crucifying imperfect conservative candidates and expecting moderates like Romney not to benefit from it. /sarc
“To which I say - how about a 5th? Only longer this time, where he can use his “fluent Chinese” and the various other languages he speaks (the best of which is Double-Talk).”
That was a good one. I’ll bet he speaks Gobbledegook too.
Yes, you have to be a citizen for extended chain migration, but you can still bring in the nuclear family as an LPR. And I believe that once you legalize the status of any illegal to stay here permanently, there is no way Congress or the public will agree to creating another class of LPRs. 57% of all immigrant-headed households with children in this country, legal and illegal, use at least one major welfare program. Why would we want to import poverty? Already, we bring in 125,000 LEGAL FOREIGN WORKERS A MONTH--permanent immigrants and those on temporary work visas--despite the economic downturn.
And surely, if you are defining a new pathway to LPR status, you can limit it more than it currently is in other pathways.
That all works well in theory, but that is not the way it will happen in the real world. As someone who has worked for five years as a member of a grassroots immigration group that lobbies on the Hill and in Richmond, I can tell you that the other side will fight any such differentiation tooth in nail, both in public fora as well as in the courts. The US will never create a permanent legal resident class that has no opportunity to become a citizen.
But realistically, Newt's approach of closing the border and beginning to deport illegals (just not 100% of them) is one million times better than any president of my 50 year lifetime. And one HUNDRED million times better than Obama.
Newt's plan is neither new or better than any other President. Look at what Eisenhower did. Newt is essentially repeating the McCain plan that would deport the estimated 2 million "criminal aliens," and allow the remainder to be legalized.
And even though I wish this weren't true, I really don't believe a president could succeed in trying to deport them all. On this issue moderates tend to support SOME deportation, but won't go for 100%, so together with the liberal votes that don't want any deportation, any attempt to do 100% would be doomed to failure.
The proponents of amnesty are wont to create the false choice between a blanket amnesty and mass deportation of 12 to 20 million illegal aliens. In reality, we have other choices and alternatives that don’t reward people who have broken our laws with the right to stay and work here and an eventual path to citizenship. The 12 to 20 million illegal aliens did not enter this country overnight and they will not leave overnight. Attrition through enforcement works. We have empirical data from Georgia, Oklahoma, and Arizona proving that it does.
I see no sense of urgency to legalize those already here. The last time we had an amnesty in 1986, it resulted in a flood of illegals into the country to take advantage of the amnesty. Fraud and corruption were rife. The USG estimated that 1 million would apply and the true number turned out to be 2.7 million.
Conferring rights and privileges upon illegal aliens has a corrosive effect on the Rule of Law, the very foundation of our Republic. It is also a slap in the face to legal immigrants who have followed the rules and obeyed the laws. There are millions of immigrants waiting their turn overseas to enter the U.S. legally and approximately 40 million immigrants living in the U.S., most of whom followed the law.
Right now, our current laws say that anyone who entered this country should be deported. They have violated our laws and our sovereignty. Moreover, most have violated many other laws, e.g., ID theft, working illegally, tax evasion, driving without a license, etc. Just this past month we passed a milestone. Since 9/11 50,000 Americans have been killed by illegal aliens. Hundreds of thousands of others have been injured and the targets of crime. Shouldn't we be more worried about the welfare of the legal residents of this country than those who broke our laws?
FYI: 40% of those here illegally came here legally and overstayed their visas. Securing the border is necessary, but so is full implementation of the US_VISIT program to track and deport visa overstays.
The U.S. adds one international migrant (net) every 36 seconds. Immigrants account for one in 8 U.S. residents, the highest level in more than 90 years. In 1970 it was one in 21; in 1980 it was one in 16; and in 1990 it was one in 13. In a decade, it will be one in 7, the highest it has been in our history. And by 2050, one in 5 residents of the U.S. will be foreign-born.
Currently, 1.6 million legal and illegal immigrants settle in the country each year; 350,000 immigrants leave each year, resulting in a net immigration of 1.25 million. Since 1970, the U.S. population has increased from 203 million to 310 million, i.e., over 100 million. In the next 40 years, the population will increase by 130 million to 440 million. Three-quarters of the increase in our population since 1970 and the projected increase will be the result of immigration. The U.S., the world’s third most populous nation, has the highest annual rate of population growth of any developed country in the world, i.e., 0.977 percent (2010 estimate), principally due to immigration.
87 percent of the 1.2 million legal immigrants entering annually are minorities as defined by the U.S. Government and almost all of the illegal aliens are minorities. By 2019 half of the children 18 and under in the U.S. will be classified as minorities and by 2039, half of the residents of this country will be minorities. Generally, immigrants and minorities vote predominantly for the Democrat Party. Hence, Democrats view immigration as a never-ending source of voters that will make them the permanent majority party.
Since the 1965 Immigration Act, our pro-population growth immigration policies have fueled major demographic changes in a very short period of time. In 1970, non-Hispanic whites comprised 89 percent of the population; today they are 66 percent; and by 2039, they will be 50 percent. The Democrats, under the banner of multiculturalism and diversity, have forged a political coalition that depends on individuals coalescing around racial and ethnic identities rather than the issues. The continuing and increasing flow of minority immigrants, mostly poor and uneducated, provide a natural constituency for the Democrats, which see them as their principal source of political power.
A work visa issued to someone that illegally invaded our nation....what do you call that?
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