Posted on 11/23/2011 10:32:54 AM PST by TBBT
Newt is right on, the same path as Obama on amnesty. Yep sure enough.
No, moron, it will never be accepted here because every "rational, realistic plan" of the past has utterly failed.
There is nothing to prevent this one from being just another failed attempt.
Nothing.
Unless, of course, you, McCarthy and every other functional idiot posts a $500,000,000 cash performance bond to ship them all back if the once again common sense obvious happens.
Ronald Reagan said the same thing.
He also said a country that could not control it's borders was not a country at all.
We are about to lost all the SouthWest by virtue of the womb. Israel is facing the same problem.
You are a freaking genius!
Of course we already must have unlimited funds.
Just use the unlimited resources which increase daily to support the ever increasing wave of additional illegals....
Pure genius!
From reading the Red Card FAQ, I do not support it.
It’s chock full on the standard defeatist premisses, like ‘jobs Americans wont do’, ‘the border is impossible to secure’, etc.
And honestly, letting the worker and a “private” employment agent determine how many permits are issued? Talk about the fox guarding the henhouse....
This coming from someone with your screen name is absurd, or do you not remember the Balkins?
It also states we eliminate birthright citizenship if I read it right. That right there is a big enough “plus” to outweigh some minuses.
Obviously he learned that we will put up with anything as long as they package it pretty enough.
GW funded a fence remember? McCain said if they want a gd fence we will build a gd fence. Then there was an election, the suckers fell for it and ........the beat goes on.
...”eliminate birthright citizenship”...
They say that “Congress should do something” about it.
They are right.
They are not saying that it should be decided BEFORE their other policies are put in place. They basically call for an open border, albeit with Red-Card in hand, so their policies would ensure another million or so anchor babies in short order.
Truth hurts huh? Newt stepped in in big time, and I was shouting at him to stop after the first sentence, but he just had to keep digging.
Newt, not unlike you doesn't have an unspoken thought. He could have said what he needed to say in one sentence, but he had to elaborate. He will now find out how popular amnesty by any name really is.
I agree insofar as correcting the probably-wrong Supreme Court interpretation that gave us birthright citizenship would be a great thing; it would cut off a HUGE magnet for illegal immigration, plus the often-overlooked “birth tourism” by legal visitors.
But that correction will take a good chunk of time, if it’s even possible at all. We need a 2/3 vote by both chambers of Congress — would we even get that in the House today, let alone Reid’s Senate? — and 3/4 of the states’ legislatures, also very unlikely. Possible, but unlikely. And it’d take years to get it done.
Sure, once it IS done, and once the border is truly secure (.. another matter that will take years), then we can talk about selecting some long-residing “angel” illegal immigrants and allowing them to go unpunished. Sure. But only AFTER those two things.
Meanwhile, we (IMO) need to be strict in enforcing the law, lest we entice more folks to become illegal immigrants. “So long as they don’t catch me for several years, and I commit no additional crimes, they won’t deport me! They’ll just pass yet another amnesty, especially if I have a couple of US-citizen kids when I AM caught,” goes the thinking, and who can really blame them?
Dang you better try to keep up, the latest report from the EU says water does not rehydrate. Story was on Drudge yesterday, made Rush as well.
Just think about it. What Newt said was that the “american public” could not stomach watching people pulled from their homes and taken away. Try to imagine the MSM with full coverage and the CNN crew shaking their heads in disgust as they televise hysterical people being taken out of their houses by Federal agents and put on buses and taken to detentin facilities for deportation. It would turn into a nightmare in 24 hours. The public outcry would be overwhelming.
Actually a small percentage of people would qualify for Newt’s criteria and only a small percentage would even come out of the shadows. Most illegals have no interest in speaking English or becoming citizens. They like staying in the shadows, soaking up the freebies and not paying taxes. Fake ID, no car insurance. No responsibility. Its a dream life. We will probably have to let a few stay and then enforce the laws and let them self deport.
and you keep posting statements without backing them up ... what, you expect me to do YOUR research. How about pointing me to sites that support YOUR metrics. Oh yeah, maybe its because they DONT EXIST because you are a flamethrower and your accusations are heresay. You have not poked a single hole, and your knowledge of Econ is comical at best.
The Fed did NOT originally involve themselves in subsidies to address deflation (keeping an industry from going under), they did it to attack inflation (a product being priced above what the market could bear). This was during the great depression, and it was the core philosophy of the New Deal. Food Stamps, Welfare ... you know, all the things you hate ... they were put in place to placate the masses ... sheesh, maybe you should study history before you try complex concepts like Econ.
That said, until you make a SINGLE salient arguement, there is no purpose in me wasting any more of my time trying to educate you. Your goal is to destroy Newt, not actually solve a problem, or deal with reality. Have fun flamethrower. Later!
Ya know, if you only address one issue, people say they won because you conceded the ones you did not address.
You address all the issues and they complain you brought an elephant gun to hunt ants.
When it comes right down to it, the Newt haters are looking at this as ammo against him, and quite frankly, my goal is not to dissuade them, it is to provide a salient counterpoint to those who see the tiff and want to make up thier own minds but dont understand the nuances (i.e, they actually have open minds) ... and based on the bulk majority of the feedback I have gotten, I accomplished my goals. In short, I got a lot of positive feedback. Sorry if you did not concur.
Newt Gingrich argued that the federal government should refrain from deporting illegal immigrants who had been in the U.S. for many years if the effect would be the break up of a family.
I do NOT support breaking up whole families. Of course if I was in a position to be deported, I would take my children with me, be they citizens or not. Maybe illegal scum don’t love their kids?
Thanks sickoflibs.
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