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To: RainMan

You are talking out of your arse.

1. The US has traditionally subsidized agriculture to boost prices, not lower them. The entire point of the Food Stamp program was to give away surplus food supplies to the poor. So your notion that we need illegals to keep food costs down is a bogus one.

2. There is no evidence of food inflation before the illegal invasion of the last 30 years when Americans grew their own food.

I dare you to go pull out the charts over the last 50 years documenting food inflation to defend your theory.

3. Most countries in the world grow their own food without the support of illegals and have no food cost inflation as a result of their relatively high paid domestic workforce, notably in Australia, New Zealand, South Korea, Japan and Europe, where no Mexican illegals are growing their food, yet they all seem to be able to feed their populations at a low cost.

4. You harp on about the hidden costs of US subsidized agriculture, yet complete ignore the economic and social costs of the state supporting illegals in education, health care, housing, and welfare.

How many Americans would trade more expensive produce for the lower public sector costs of taking care of the illegals?

I dare you to break down the cost per American of having domestically grown food versus the cost per American to publicly subsidize an illegal.

5. We have 13 million illegals in this country and there are only a 2 million people at most who work in agriculture, and the United States already gives out tens of thousands of AG visas out a year.

6. Most agricultural communities already have doubt digit unemployment. What will make you happy, when farm communities have 50% unemployment instead of 25%?

You have no clue what you are talking about and just spew your La Raza liberal propaganda because you have no loyalty to this country or the American people.

You can’t even make an honest, open borders economic argument in defense of your Free Traitor theories.


110 posted on 11/23/2011 12:27:04 PM PST by radpolis (Liberals: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy)
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To: radpolis

The only one talking out of thier arse is you bucko. Call me whatever names you want, you are full of it.

1. Subsidies do not boost prices, they keep them low (affordable). Tariffs boost prices moron. That is why the push for free trade zones.

2. The problem started before 1981. Go back to the 30’s and 40’s look at Cheese subsidies. The goal was to feed the poor, so the government bought cheese at market rate, then gave it to the poor. This morphed into the infamous paying farmers to not grow crops, under the auspices that it would prevent the next dust bowl (crop rotation). Your timeframe is dishonest.

3. Most countries did not embark on the social engineering programs that we did in the 30s and 40s. Take away the government subsidy infrastructure, and we would all be used to paying more for food.

4. You did not see me address the hidden costs of regulation ... can you not read?

4a. Very few would be willing to pay higher costs day in day out without complaining ... it is called inflation, and if it starts in one sector of the economy, it transfers to other sectors. You might want to read up on it some day ... just sayin.

5. And your point is ...

6. See below. Locals wont work for farm wages, even with high unemployment.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2016721033_apusfoodandfarmapplepickers2ndldwritethru.html

This article is from 11/9/11, talking about how apples are rotting on the trees because the season was late and the illegals moved on to other crops, and the locals who are unemployed dont want to work for those wages.


116 posted on 11/23/2011 12:45:23 PM PST by RainMan (Newt - after considering all the others, he is our best choice. Gingrich/Palin 2012)
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