Posted on 11/24/2011 11:04:26 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo
>>They are human, but I am not their brother. They feel the same about me and all others of my tribe. Cannibals and pedophiles may be human, but that does not mean I have to tolerate them infesting my country like vermin.<<
Making a note to completely ignore Clemenza from here on...
You apparently don’t understand that someone must be held accountable to the law as it existed at the time they acted.
Nobody is talking about people who came here legally under the existing migrant worker program. Nobody is talking about people who come here under an expanded migrant worker program. Nobody is talking about people who go home and then come back after waiting their turn and being accepted and legally registered under some legal worker program.
We are talking about people ALREADY HERE who came here ILLEGALLY, but now being allowed to stay under some legal worker program. They would be taken from an ILLEGAL status to a LEGAL status. They have broken the law, acknowledge they’ve broken the law, yet will not be held accountable under that law. That is what Newt proposes. That is unquestionably AMNESTY.
I wasn’t going to post further on this thread. However, you called wardaddy an amnesty supporter.
Are you totally unaware that, in the past, he was banned for well over a year because some harpies didn’t like his opposition to amnesty? This forum was full of those who supported amnesty because it was Bush’s stance on the subject.
Bush bots...remember them? Maybe you were one...
Bush’s comprehensive immigration plan was amnesty. Newt’s is not.
BTW...you are a girly man in that you behaved as the not lamented late harpies did. You tried to intimidate me by linking to JR, but you didn’t ping him. You didn’t intimidate me then, and you don’t intimidate me now.
I pinged JR because you provided the link to a post of his to let me know you thought me to be a troll, and it’s only polite forum etiquette to ping those to whom one is referring.
That, and you said I was being “disingenuous.” IOW, a liar.
Frankly, both instances are personal attacks.
I can hear the sounds of cheap backpacks zipping shut all over central America as they pack for their trip to el Norte.
What about a “path to normalcy” for car thieves who haven’t been caught in 15 years? We don’t want to separate them from their families.
Newt is thinking out of the box on this issue.
He is defining different categories of illegals, and his program would not provide any of them with amnesty.
None of the illegals would be made citizens, unless they go back to their country of origin, and go through all of the hoops necessary to become citizens.
The argument has changed, but apparently not with some here.
They WILL under ‘Pres. Gingrich’, for sure.
Are you calling LEGAL migrant workers slaves?
Lordy! That shows your ignorance!
Migrant workers don’t want to become citizens, and they don’t want to live off of our society. They want to “pay their own way”, so to speak.
They pass tests to be able to come here LEGALLY to work the fields, and then go home.
Unlike most illegals who are taking their hard earned jobs.
It’s not “papered over” as legal. It IS legal, and has been for many decades.
You really are dense.
It's not that I give a rat's behind how often you make a fool of yourself over your obvious misunderstanding of the reason I posted that link and quote but I will tell you one more time. I posted that link and quote to show what I believed was Jim saying he did not approve of the pro-amnesty crowd pushing amnesty at FR. What would you have me do, delete the part wherein he said troll? Sorry, but to quote someone means to quote them with the quote as is, not to cheery pick the part I want and delete others.
You have now been told twice why I provided that quote. If you continue saying I called you troll you will be lying.
Ask that of the pro-ILLEGAL alien crowd; they're all over this thread.
I love Michele, but she’s had qualifiers in the past on her own stance on illegal immigration.
“When asked what exactly she would do facing a similar scenario, Bachmann dodged the question (twice, actually). She was then shown a clip of her answer in a September GOP debate in which she was asked what she would do with the 11 million illegal immigrants in America. Two months ago she said, “That’s right. And again, it is sequential, and it depends upon where they live, how long they have been here, if they have a criminal record. All of those things have to be taken into place.”
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/11/27/bachmann-illegal-immigrants/
Apparently, you are the dense one.
I will restate...I pinged him because it’s forum etiquette to do so, and for no other reason.
You’ve already called me a liar. lol
Good bye, harpy.
Kook.
“...his program would not provide any of them with amnesty...”
Are you trying to redefine the English language ? “Amnesty” is clearly defined.
[amnesty - a warrant granting release from punishment for an offense. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/amnesty]
The offense has already occurred based on the law already in effect. “his program” would release these offenders from the punishment prescribed under the current law — deportation — and grant them a new legal resident status. Playing semantics is not an admirable trait in a politician. We ridiculed Clinton for for his “It depends on what your meaning of ‘is’ is.”
Just because something is legal, like abortion, doesn’t mean it is right or moral.
I don’t want them here basically for the following reasons, and this goes for the “legal” migrants:
1. They come here to steal us blind-— they ride the US gravy train with multiple identities which they buy for several thousand dollars each. Vote-crazed candidates do not directly address this outrage—— probably b/c migrants/illegals vote several times each, using forged and faked ID’s. - “... but Perry won’t touch it with a ten foot pole since he collapsed over his in-state tuition handouts. Neither can be trusted to do what’s necessary....... cut out ALL benefits.
2. They pocket all the US benefits they can get, and want to force their culture on the rest of us. NO candidate EVER questions their loyalties........and the threat this poses to US national security.
Do they really care about this country? Do they even understand this country beyond what they can GET from it. Read on.
DID PERRY MAKE A DEAL WITH LA RAZA to place Raza studies (Mexican-American studies) in Texas schools?
Raza studies have been taught in Arizona for a decade...... then they passed a law against it.... but it still goes on.
RAZA STUDIES One of the textbooks used is titled “Occupied America,” which was written by Rodolfo Acuña and includes a speech given by activist and university professor Jose Angel Gutierrez in which he says: “We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him,” (pg. 323). The book also talks about the need for Mexico to re-take seven states in the Southwestern United States.
The following rather shocking quotes are taken directly from Occupied America (pg. 167):
“Supporters would execute all White Males over age 16,” (also known as the Plan of San Diego).
“The Southwest would become a Chicano nation.”
In addition to using taxpayer funds to enforce such polarizing beliefs in Latino children in traditional public schools, the organization known as La Raza operates 100 charter schools across the country.
The following is a select list of La Raza charter schools:
-La Academia Semillas del Pueblo (Los Angeles)
-Atzlan Academy (Tucson, AZ)
-Mexicayotl Academy (Nogales, AZ)
-The Dolores Huerta Prepatory High School (Pueblo, CO)
-Academia Cesar Chavez Charter School (St. Paul, MN)
In 2005 alone, $7.9 million in taxpayer funding was given out to these charter schools in the form of U.S. Department of Education grants. These schools stress Latino culture, the Spanish language, the re-conquest of the American Southwest, the establishment of the mythical Atzlan, and even Aztec math.
You can call me ignorant, but I’m not stupid. Stupid people invite the craven into their homes and lives, only to be murdered.
Anyone who comes here legally to become a part of the United States, I welcome with open arms. To those who want to kill us, I will return the favor.
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