Exhalation, and inheriting “all the Father hath” is easy fodder for those who hate the Church.
Being a “God of your own planet” is just so dang juicy, that's it's oft repeated and you just can't help yourself. I think I understand the easy target.
In truth, the doctrine is closer to what is taught in the New Testament. I know you won't agree, but this is a more honest approach than the old “God of his own planet” shenanigans.
Matt. 25:34
inherit the kingdom prepared for you
Rom. 8:17
heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ
Philip. 2:9
God also hath highly exalted him
Rev. 3:21
grant to sit with me in my throne
Rev. 21:7
He that overcometh shall inherit all things
Plus, all the references to crowns given to those who overcome all things. That is all. Please don't bother trying to continually ping me to these constant bashing threads over and over. Your narrow focus mission to constantly rag on Mormonism has a few followers here, but I don't wish to be among your disciples.
Thank you for taking me off your list, if you would.
Loved the cherry picked verses rip. it has been shown time and again they do not support your claims upon closer inspection.
It also must be embarrassing to recognize that your prophets and apostle TAUGHT this as doctrine throughout the course of mormon history. Your dismissal of these only points to the hollowness to the mormon claim of a living prophet. What good are living prophets when every proclaimation and teaching are readily dismissed as their opinion.
What have I told you cult members about using the KJV Bible that you claim God(s) told Joseph Smith not to ?...
I'll give you a few minute to check these for yourself before I embarrass you, either that or you can publicly proclaim that you think it's a fraud, like Brigham Young did....Either way, and like it or not, you own it.
Here's a link to a true mormon website where you can read the JST, they have posted it for the whole world to read because they believe Joseph Smith was a true Prophet of God.
http://www.centerplace.org/hs/iv/default.htm
Common Mormonic Quote, used here on FR by mormons more than once:
“Jesus promised He was going away to prepare a place for us. If my mansion is a planet, that’s great!”
Rip, your post distorts not only what is taught by the lds corporation, but what is believed by members as a result of that teaching.
This leads me to conclude either you do not pay attention, you are in a rogue branch of the cult, or your post is simply there to cover up what is plainly taught. Not sure which. Years ago, I would not have included the third choice in describing your posts. Today, it appears to be the most logical explanation of your recent posts.
Among MORMONs; true.
Zechariah 4:10
King James Bible
For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the LORD, which run to and fro through the whole earth.
Mormon “theologians” always like to link Biblical verses with BOM verses. So where is the BOM cross references to those verses?
Hey, it's an open forum. It's not often that a Mormon tosses three "prophets" (Kimball, Joseph Fielding Smith, Lorenzo Snow) under the bus in a few posts...but you've managed. Therefore, I should sell tickets.
I could make it a new game show: "Prophet Bus-Tossing"
Please don't bother trying to continually ping me...
Hey, in case you haven't noticed, a silent "ping" is easier to ignore than a Mormon mishie ringing away at your doorbell. (Or is it Mormon doorbell proselytism for me but not a response ping for thee kind of lopsided mentality?)
ALL: Lurkers. Mormons. Ex Mormons. Those in the true Christ. Interested parties, all. Did you all note the very verse -- and context of that verse -- that Ripliancum stuck in the middle of his foray into the Bible?
Here, let me cite it:
Philip. 2:9 God also hath highly exalted him [Ripliancum]
Do you all realize Rip's implication here?
Since in Mormonism, "exaltation" = becoming a god,
and since this verse is talking about none other than Jesus Christ,
Rip is claiming here that the Almighty Everlasting Son of God from eternity past became a god.
[And of course, in Mormonism, that narrative pops up post-Satan's arrival on the scene]
Rip is saying that post-Satan, Jesus got the "god job." (And, you, too, just like Jesus, can get the Mormon god job).
ALL: So. If you want to understand the Mormon evolution of a spirit -- namely who they call the Mormon Jesus -- here it is: From...
...primordial eternal spirit goo (Lds D&C 93:29,33)...
...to you-like (minus a body that is), Satan's older bro...
...then to an angelic-like messenger (Jehovah of the Old Testament)...
...then an embodied man...
...and only then awarded godhood!
This "jesus" is foreign to the Bible. The Messiah of the Bible shared the glory with the Father in the beginning (John 17:5). This Jesus is THE Son of God, not just a son of God. And THE Son of God did not consider equality with His Father something he couldn't let go of while becoming a man (see the rest of Philippians 2 that Ripliancum ripped out of context). Phil. 2 makes it clear He was already divine, not just a "wannabe" God like Dear Ole Dad.
This is why you have to watch sly, distortion-minded Mormons. They'll rip a passage out of context. Here's Phil. 2:6-7 showing Jesus was already a being who was "in very nature God" -- and yet willingly yielded that acknowledgement as God -- "equality with God" -- as something He had to grasp. He could take the absolute humble route:
6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; 7 rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.
The True Jesus Christ: Savior, not a Saved Being
In contrast, the Mormon christ is but a "saved being"--a mere creature like dear ole Dad: "Christ is a saved being” (lds apostle McConkie, Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, Vol. 3, p 257)
“Modern revelation speaks of our Lord as he that ‘ascended up on high, as also he descended below all things, in that he comprehended all things, that he might be in all and through all things, the light of truth‘ (D&C 88:6). Christ's rise to the throne of exaltation was preceded by his descent below all things. Only by submitting to the powers of demons and death and hell could he, in the resurrection, serve as our exemplar of a saved being...” (McConkie and Millet, Doctrinal Commentary on the Book of Mormon, vol. 1, p. 234) (Please also see McConkie, Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, Vol. 3, p. 238 where he said the Mormon "jesus" "Needs salvation...Came to earth to work out His own salvation”)
There ya go. Ripliacum's Jesus needed to be "saved." Needed to become a god.
Blasphemy and heresy! All in one fell Joseph Smith swoop!
Let's go to Lds.org, shall we? First, under the heading, TEACHING CHILDREN FROM FOUR TO ELEVEN YEARS OLD
President Spencer W. Kimball has said: “There is a purpose in the building of this earth and in the creation of man, that he might have a place in which to live, to perfect himself that he might become perfect and … raise HIMSELF, with the help of his Father, to godhood. “EACH ONE of you has it within the realm of his possibility to develop a kingdom over which you will preside as its king and god. You will need to develop yourself and grow in ability and power and worthiness, to GOVERN SUCH A WORLD WITH ALL OF ITS PEOPLE. “...You are sent to this world with a very serious purpose. You are sent to school, for that matter, to begin as a human infant and grow to unbelievable proportions in wisdom, judgment, knowledge, and power” (The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, ed. Edward L. Kimball [Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1982], p. 31).
Source: TEACHING CHILDREN FROM FOUR TO ELEVEN YEARS OLD
Part of this same exact quote is what the Mormon church teaches to teens and college students as well:
College students (in fact, what the Lds church teaches is what Kimball told college students @ the at the University of Utah Institute of Religion)...
...based on your statement, Rip, I guess you've never lived in Utah, eh?
Chapter 10 The Purpose of Earth Life Introduction [for college students]
HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS: Back to Table Of Contents Doctrine and Covenants 130 Introduction
So, All, who has shot their credibility to hell itself?
Ripliancum, who refuses to acknowledge the citations I gave in post #42 even exist as something other than supposedly what "antis" make up...
Or those who cite present tense Mormon sources directly -- sources that you can click on with your mouse and go right there?
What, Rip? Doncha know what the Mormon church is teaching even to its 4 to 11 year-olds?
You owe us an apology for your accusations and false statements.
But never mind us. What are you going to say when God asks you why you didn't repent of following false prophets and false teachers when it was pointed out to you -and you seemed to agree that a false prophet is anyone who teaches that you will head...
..."a kingdom over which you will preside as its king and god"
-- and, after raising yourself to godhood (with a bit of help from the Mormon god, of course)
“...EACH ONE of you has it within the realm of his possibility...to GOVERN SUCH A WORLD WITH ALL OF ITS PEOPLE.
Source: Lds "prophet" Kimball, link above direct from what the Mormon church teaches this very second@!!@