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The supercommittee failed because Democrats insisted on $1 trillion in new taxes
Washington Post ^ | Nov 25, 2011 | Jon Kyl, Rob Portman, Pat Toomey, Jeb Hensarling, Fred Upton and Dave Camp

Posted on 11/25/2011 7:17:33 PM PST by Innovative

We do not choose to add more to the blame game for failure of the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction , but one Democratic talking point needs debunking: that the talks failed because of Republicans’ attachment to the Bush tax cuts.

The untold story of the negotiations is the significance of the Republican offer of fundamental tax reform. It is critical to understand the interplay between the proposal (dubbed the "Toomey plan") and existing tax law.

At no time in the negotiations did the Democratic committee members drop their insistence that, one way or the other, any deal had to include a trillion dollars in new taxes. Republicans believe that would kill job creation and economic recovery. In the long run, a strong economy producing more wealth (and, therefore, more tax revenue) is how we will both reduce the deficit and regain the prosperity that all Americans deserve.

The writers are the Republican members of the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction. Jon Kyl is a senator from Arizona. Rob Portman is a senator from Ohio. Pat Toomey is a senator from Pennsylvania. Jeb Hensarling is a representative from Texas. Fred Upton and Dave Camp are representatives from Michigan.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: budget; congress; defense; obama; supercommittee; taxes
I am starting to think the Dems had unreasonable demands because they really wanted to supercommittee to fail specifically to cut defense -- Obama already said that he would veto any attempt to change that, even though his own SecDef is raising the alarm about the results of the draconian automatic defense cuts.

And the Dems will blame the Republicans, they are already doing that.

1 posted on 11/25/2011 7:17:37 PM PST by Innovative
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To: Innovative

The Dem’s wanted it to fail the day they agreed to this stupid committee. I can’t believe the GOP even agreed to it to start with.


2 posted on 11/25/2011 7:24:07 PM PST by Qwackertoo (New Day In America November 03, 2010)
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To: Qwackertoo

I heard that bets were placed and the odds were 10 to 1 that they had no intentions of every coming up with plan. This is what gov’t always does...pass the buck.


3 posted on 11/25/2011 7:27:25 PM PST by rovenstinez
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To: Innovative

The “super committee” failed because the goal was to raise the statutory debt limit without having to cut spending. Mission Accomplished. So don’t be fooled by the rhetoric from either side. Your masters in Washington are quite satisfied with the outcome. The looting continues and the public still does not understand why.


4 posted on 11/25/2011 7:27:49 PM PST by trek
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To: Qwackertoo

“I can’t believe the GOP even agreed to it to start with.”

I also had a real problem with the GOP agreeing to this.

Article in Aviation Week:

Congress Fails, Defense Pays

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_generic.jsp?channel=awst&id=news/awst/2011/11/28/AW_11_28_2011_p22-397722.xml&headline=Congress%20Fails,%20Defense%20Pays

Last week’s failure by the so-called Super Committee to find at least $1.2 trillion in deficit reduction means that the Pentagon’s budget will automatically begin to be slashed by $600 billion over 10 years starting in January 2013. But the committee’s failure will begin reverberating across the industry almost immediately - possibly taking out the nation’s biggest weapon system - the Lockheed Martin F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF).

While lawmakers such as Senate Armed Services ranking member John McCain (R-Ariz.) and House Armed Services Chairman Buck McKeon (R-Calif.) have vowed to intervene to stop the automatic cuts, the Obama administration has threatened to veto a reversal. If the Budget Control Act (BCA) remains in effect, the Pentagon - which plans its future budgets years in advance - will be faced with the prospect of submitting a fiscal 2013 budget by February that assumes the maximum level of cuts. And that means contractors could face terminations of signature weapon programs that may, or may not, come to pass.”


5 posted on 11/25/2011 7:28:53 PM PST by Innovative (Weakness is provocative.)
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To: Innovative

donks are always blameing someone else. Nothing is ever their fault.
But most people know that


6 posted on 11/25/2011 7:32:19 PM PST by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: Qwackertoo

“I can’t believe the GOP even agreed to it to start with.”

Boehner made a boner.


7 posted on 11/25/2011 7:35:27 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Innovative

No surprise there I knew the leftist on the committee was going to do that. Patty Murray acted surprised they couldn’t come to an agreement! Patty You are stupid!!!!!


8 posted on 11/25/2011 7:39:46 PM PST by tallyhoe
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To: Innovative
The Republicans are also at fault for the defense cuts. They knew perfectly well what was going to happen in this committee (deadlocked, so the automatic cuts would be triggered) and they allowed this farce to begin in the first place when they agreed to these "terms".

The federal government is the problem. Congress is entrenched and serve only their own interests. The marxist in the white house is overjoyed at the upcoming defense cuts.

9 posted on 11/25/2011 7:42:15 PM PST by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Innovative

The Super-Doofer Committee was destined to fail the moment Lurch was named as a member. He has a worse record for accomplishment than Obama (less than zero). The “kept man” hardly ever shows up for work and virtually never introduces a bill that he authored. The only documents he’s ever written were the after action reports that got him his medals; wasn’t he in Vietnam?


10 posted on 11/25/2011 7:43:54 PM PST by OrioleFan
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To: Qwackertoo

“The Dem’s wanted it to fail.”

Yes this has been ‘rope a dope’ from the start.


11 posted on 11/25/2011 7:44:26 PM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: Innovative

Anybody who concurs with Democrats either refuse to investigate their positions or simply are extortioners, liars and/or thieves. They have no socially redeeming value.


12 posted on 11/25/2011 7:47:21 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: rockinqsranch

“I can’t believe the GOP even agreed to it to start with.”

Boehner made a boner.


There are few things in life that are certain.

Death.... Taxes.... the GOP getting played by the rats like Charlie Brown kicking Lucy’s football.


13 posted on 11/25/2011 7:51:43 PM PST by volunbeer (Keep the dope, we'll make the change in 2012!)
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To: Innovative

I thought it failed because the Republicans wouldn’t allow their rich cronies to suffer tax increases. /s


14 posted on 11/25/2011 7:54:56 PM PST by umgud
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To: Innovative
Whatsa matter, you republicans?

We're offering you a 50/50 deal.

We'll cut the budget a trillion, you give a trillion in taxes.

NO?

to the press” The republicans will not compromise! Reelect Obama...

15 posted on 11/25/2011 7:59:56 PM PST by maine-iac7 (A prudent man foreseeth the evil,... but the simple pass on, and are punished. Prov 23:3 KJV)
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To: Innovative
Whatsa matter, you republicans?

We're offering you a 50/50 deal.

We'll cut the budget a trillion, you give a trillion in taxes.

NO?

to the press” The republicans will not compromise! Reelect Obama...

16 posted on 11/25/2011 8:00:28 PM PST by maine-iac7 (A prudent man foreseeth the evil,... but the simple pass on, and are punished. Prov 23:3 KJV)
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To: Innovative
Whatsa matter, you republicans?

We're offering you a 50/50 deal.

We'll cut the budget a trillion, you give a trillion in taxes.

NO?

to the press” The republicans will not compromise! Reelect Obama...

17 posted on 11/25/2011 8:00:51 PM PST by maine-iac7 (A prudent man foreseeth the evil,... but the simple pass on, and are punished. Prov 23:3 KJV)
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To: Innovative

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?p=newt+gingrich+super+committee&tnr=21&vid=1357558449369&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts2.mm.bing.net%2Fvideos%2Fthumbnail.aspx%3Fq%3D1357558449369%26id%3Dc022ab30a748a0b8c9e9560e0203f255%26bid%3DdWpv5JxIzzD0Fg%26bn%3DThumb%26url%3Dhttp%253a%252f%252fwww.youtube.com%252fwatch%253fv%253drN8GPQgIusc&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DrN8GPQgIusc&sigr=11a1qco6m&newfp=1&tit=Newt+Gingrich%3A+Super+Committee+Is+Washington%26%2339%3Bs+Dumbest+Idea


18 posted on 11/25/2011 8:03:21 PM PST by maine-iac7 (A prudent man foreseeth the evil,... but the simple pass on, and are punished. Prov 23:3 KJV)
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To: Innovative

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?p=newt+gingrich+super+committee&tnr=21&vid=1357558449369&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts2.mm.bing.net%2Fvideos%2Fthumbnail.aspx%3Fq%3D1357558449369%26id%3Dc022ab30a748a0b8c9e9560e0203f255%26bid%3DdWpv5JxIzzD0Fg%26bn%3DThumb%26url%3Dhttp%253a%252f%252fwww.youtube.com%252fwatch%253fv%253drN8GPQgIusc&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DrN8GPQgIusc&sigr=11a1qco6m&newfp=1&tit=Newt+Gingrich%3A+Super+Committee+Is+Washington%26%2339%3Bs+Dumbest+Idea


19 posted on 11/25/2011 8:03:44 PM PST by maine-iac7 (A prudent man foreseeth the evil,... but the simple pass on, and are punished. Prov 23:3 KJV)
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To: Innovative

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?p=newt+gingrich+super+committee&tnr=21&vid=1357558449369&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts2.mm.bing.net%2Fvideos%2Fthumbnail.aspx%3Fq%3D1357558449369%26id%3Dc022ab30a748a0b8c9e9560e0203f255%26bid%3DdWpv5JxIzzD0Fg%26bn%3DThumb%26url%3Dhttp%253a%252f%252fwww.youtube.com%252fwatch%253fv%253drN8GPQgIusc&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DrN8GPQgIusc&sigr=11a1qco6m&newfp=1&tit=Newt+Gingrich%3A+Super+Committee+Is+Washington%26%2339%3Bs+Dumbest+Idea


20 posted on 11/25/2011 8:04:03 PM PST by maine-iac7 (A prudent man foreseeth the evil,... but the simple pass on, and are punished. Prov 23:3 KJV)
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To: maine-iac7

oops - sorry for multilple postings - ‘puter said ‘cannot’ and gave blank screen - several times - and then did it behind my back ;O)


21 posted on 11/25/2011 8:07:03 PM PST by maine-iac7 (A prudent man foreseeth the evil,... but the simple pass on, and are punished. Prov 23:3 KJV)
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To: maine-iac7

just damn -did it again I’m gonna switch browsers


22 posted on 11/25/2011 8:08:00 PM PST by maine-iac7 (A prudent man foreseeth the evil,... but the simple pass on, and are punished. Prov 23:3 KJV)
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To: Innovative

23 posted on 11/25/2011 8:10:32 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: maine-iac7

It was one of the few triple posts that was well worth it. Appreciate your posting the link. Count down now until the hate Newt gaggle of negative naybobs arrive to trash Newt’s response.


24 posted on 11/25/2011 8:12:13 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN
gaggle of negative naybobs...

One of my favorite expressions.

Sad that it applies more and more to FR posters. Don't know if I can take another whole year of this.

Although I'm thinking of getting back into the 'active' swing and start in with my county republican clubs again. I've been 'in retirement' for some years for several reasons: got sick of the Republicans 'Achilles Heel - "Whose 'turn' is it?"; health set backs; I'm a great gramma now, also retired from writing and my 22 year old column, snuggled down in my little forest haven, friendly heat from the wood stove, dog's head keeping my feet warm...

Why would I want to drag myself out in the dark night and snow for meetings and listen to the same old: "Who's turn is it?"

I'm not as young as I used to be - I'm at an age where I enjoy saying whatever I want and that isn't always appreciated.


25 posted on 11/25/2011 8:51:47 PM PST by maine-iac7 (A prudent man foreseeth the evil,... but the simple pass on, and are punished. Prov 23:3 KJV)
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To: Innovative

Lets not fall into the trap of calling reductions in spending growth as cuts. There’s a big difference between “budget cuts” and “spending cuts”. Even with the auto trigger cuts defense spending will go up.

Am I the only one who believes that the bulk of our military spending is for less than national defense needs?


26 posted on 11/25/2011 8:57:31 PM PST by FreedomNotSafety
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To: maine-iac7

IIRC, I first saw that expression during the 2002 congressional run ups. SouthHack may have been the source.


27 posted on 11/25/2011 8:58:58 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Innovative

Slashed? Hell no. Not even reduced. Budgets still increase bbut by not quite as much. We’re screwed
until wwe fix bbaseline budgeting


28 posted on 11/25/2011 9:06:33 PM PST by chiller ( Elect another batch of TPartiers and it won't matter which R we elect. WE will lead.)
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To: maine-iac7

That’s ok, stuff happens! :)

I couldn’t say the other word on the forum,- I’m a lady! (grin)


29 posted on 11/25/2011 9:07:05 PM PST by dsutah
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To: Innovative; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...
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30 posted on 11/25/2011 9:07:48 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Qwackertoo

>> I can’t believe the GOP even agreed to it to start with.

What else should one expect with Team McConnell/Boehner?


31 posted on 11/25/2011 9:08:44 PM PST by Gene Eric (Save a pretzel for the gas jets.)
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To: Innovative

The Obamanation wants to clone Truman’s winning 1948 strategy of running against a “do nothing” Republican congress (albeit one house of congress); thus the set-up engineered for 0bummer by the Demonrats on the “super committee.”


32 posted on 11/25/2011 9:11:59 PM PST by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: Innovative

Is anyone really surprised? The Dems were NEVER going to cut entitlements, and any ‘cuts’ that are there are only reductions in growth. They’re not REAL cuts. They simply wanted an election year issue.


33 posted on 11/25/2011 9:22:27 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: rockinqsranch

McConnell was more to blame than Boehner.


34 posted on 11/25/2011 9:25:30 PM PST by anoldafvet (Sarah, we need you.)
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To: maine-iac7
I think Newt should make a campaign ad out of that clip. Call out the rats and mice on their secrecy and corruption.
35 posted on 11/25/2011 9:34:03 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Pox

The military cuts should start with all staff associated with Air Force One, Marine One and any staff that are assigned to “protect” Obama. Leave the jackass grounded and fending for himself.


36 posted on 11/25/2011 9:48:59 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

Whether it’s a Republican or a Democrat I have always been in favor of getting rid of the secret service, airforce one, giving the whitehouse a budget of 500K and requiring ALL politicians to fly coach.

Only a tyrant would fear to be unarmed amongst their people.


37 posted on 11/25/2011 9:57:35 PM PST by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: RedStateRocker
Agreed. The politicians feature themselves "royalty". The abuse of the taxpayer's money is beyond criminal. They need to be grounded and return to the concept of the citizen legislator with a limited term. The day of the professional politician needs to end. The replacement of the House every 2 years should have accomplished some of that aim, but it seems the politicians have rigged the game to make it a career.
38 posted on 11/25/2011 11:21:46 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: rovenstinez

It was never meant to come up with ANY answer. It was a total waste of time and money on a group of ego driven useless elected thieves.

I believe that ALL elected officials could care less about what people want as long as they continue to re=elect these loser into office.


39 posted on 11/26/2011 12:28:04 AM PST by chiefqc
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To: Innovative

I can’t believe this is in the Washington Post. My fear is the Pubbies will let Obozo and the Dems blame them for the failure of the Super Committee and they won’t fight back. They seldom ever do. Love him or hate him, Newt Gingrich is no sissy; he’s a fighter. Hopefully he will lay the truth out there.


40 posted on 11/26/2011 12:55:03 AM PST by no dems (Why do you never see "Obama" bumper stickers on cars going to work in the morning?)
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To: Cvengr

My tagline, until recently read: “When I find out a person is a Democrat, I lose all respect for them.” And, that’s not just a tagline, that’s the truth!!!


41 posted on 11/26/2011 12:56:30 AM PST by no dems (Why do you never see "Obama" bumper stickers on cars going to work in the morning?)
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To: volunbeer

Add to that the supporters of GOP RINOS making excuses for same. So it goes.


42 posted on 11/26/2011 1:02:05 AM PST by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Innovative

IIRC, nothing was to take effect until 2013. That is after the next congress and president are sworn in.

There will be no draconian cuts.


43 posted on 11/26/2011 4:14:35 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: Qwackertoo

I can’t believe that the stupid Republicans still believe that the Democrats ever negotiate in good faith.


44 posted on 11/26/2011 8:04:28 AM PST by KansasGirl
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To: Innovative
RATs wanted the Repubs to fall on their swords. It's all politics that
I don't think they can win.
45 posted on 11/26/2011 8:07:58 AM PST by MaxMax
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To: xzins
Aww, now, look what you've done to the demagoguery factor.
46 posted on 11/26/2011 8:14:02 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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