Posted on 11/26/2011 1:01:37 PM PST by presidio9
Perry has strengthened gun owners rights over and over.
The reason those illegals are able to sue is because this becomes a Federal matter, since it was a federal agent that shot them. Hopefully the Agent wins in court.
Had those illegals been in my home, Texas law would be on my side. and I would be within the law.
You are mixing apples and oranges.
I hate to break it to you but the Fourteenth Amendment is a lot more than an excuse for not doing the right thing.
Anyone facing deportation is going to want a hearing, and going to get one.
And he will not be faced with any “class-action” civil charges against him et 12-20M alia.
And there is no law anywhere that says he MUST be deported, even if found guilty.
They must profit in some way or another, or have an illegal alien in the family.
Did you hear about this one already?
http://blog.al.com/businessnews/2011/11/post_108.html
“Alabama House Majority Leader Micky Hammon credits new immigration law with lowering state unemployment”
Published: Saturday, November 19, 2011, 9:00 AM
Now you've done it! I HATE that plan.
Thank You MC!
So if you get a ticket for going 3mph over the speed limit we should take your license away?
Of course not, the law has degrees of violation.
Not everyone who is here illegally is an axe murderer.
Many entered legally and overstayed Visas.
You want to treat all situations the same with harsh measures.
Some of those measures are ridiculous. They place a Tax burden on US citizens and take away US citizens land.
I have to run now, but I was thinking that we should play a game on these threads. We could come up with a saying similar to the “Godwin’s Law.”
We can invoke it when the first post appears about “cattle cars,” (or calling anyone Stalin or Hitler). That poster loses.
It’s just like you said yesterday....
Perry is also for “path to citizenship” amnesty. Regardless of what you call it, allowing them to stay after breaking the law is amnesty. Rewarding bad behavior only encourages others to follow the same “path”.
You think there'll be a law that says a 25yr old man without criminal conviction can stay but the illegal welfare mom he lives with must be deported?
No. Absolutely not.
Everyone who has not been convicted of a felony AND got picked up again will get to stay, no matter what hoops they do or do not jump through.
As for his contention that he would seal the border, that's put hogwash. Everyone know that without a impenetrable fence from the Pacific Ocean to the Gulf of Mexico the border is not "secure".
Oh, and the fact that the illegals cannot ever vote or gain citizenship? Do you think they care, or those now planning their own nefarious invasion of the US homeland? Do you not think their children will vote?
“So if you get a ticket for going 3mph over the speed limit we should take your license away?”
If I am an illegal alien you should take my fake license away and then deport my parasitic carcass back to whatever third world hell-hole spawned me!
I haven’t heard Gingrich make any distinction between amnesty and legality, but a good working model might be: amnesty is waiving punishment, whether before or after due process of law (trial), and legality can mean one’s status AFTER having faced the music, paid a penalty and then normalized one’s status by registering in a temporary worker program, if eligible.
Just a thought, since everyone seems intent on conflating the two terms.
Here is another. Pay special attention to post #11.
The article highlights how the Alabama law has sent ILLEGALs packing which has resulted in a lowered unemployment rate for Alabama citizens. And naturally, the pro-ILLEGAL alien supporter deemed that bad thing.
If an individual is siding with ILLEGAL aliens over American citizens they are certainly not conservative.
In Gingrich's plan.
2. Build the COMPLETE border fence, not just in "Urban areas" as Newt proposed which actually comprise 1/10 of 1 percent of the border.
You are obsessed with the border fence. I get it. I have to break it to you: Gingrich's plan does not actually rule one out. His plan focuses, however, on more realistic and immediate solutions. Among my favorites:
This bill will waive every obstacle to controlling the border and would shift resources to achieve virtually 100% control by January 1, 2014. If necessary, we would move one-half of the 23,000 Washington-area Department of Homeland Security bureaucrats to the Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona borders.
3. Implement E-Verify for all employment and all acquisition of Social Services.
In Gingrich's plan. Next?
I am speaking to the notion of misdemeanors being the same as felony’s.
They are not the same thing.
Besides, foreigners who broke the law to get here or get shot in the process should have zero legal standing to sue in American courts.
Thanks for the helpful definition of amnesty.
For “legality,” we might think of a person having paid his debt to society. Someone sentenced to a year in prison, for example, spends his year in prison, walks out free. Legal.
Whereas if he had received amnesty, he might not have gone to prison at all, and the offense would not be on his record.
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