Gingrich says he is 'not for amnesty,' defends immigration stance

The Hill ^ | 11/26/11 | Meghashyam Mali

[mylife]

Perry has strengthened gun owners rights over and over.

The reason those illegals are able to sue is because this becomes a Federal matter, since it was a federal agent that shot them. Hopefully the Agent wins in court.

Had those illegals been in my home, Texas law would be on my side. and I would be within the law.

You are mixing apples and oranges.

[Lady Lucky]

I hate to break it to you but the Fourteenth Amendment is a lot more than an excuse for not doing the right thing.

Anyone facing deportation is going to want a hearing, and going to get one.

And he will not be faced with any “class-action” civil charges against him et 12-20M alia.

And there is no law anywhere that says he MUST be deported, even if found guilty.

[Borax Queen]

They must profit in some way or another, or have an illegal alien in the family.

Did you hear about this one already?
http://blog.al.com/businessnews/2011/11/post_108.html

“Alabama House Majority Leader Micky Hammon credits new immigration law with lowering state unemployment”

Published: Saturday, November 19, 2011, 9:00 AM

[SoConPubbie]

So, you solution appears to be one of the following two options: To do nothing, and assume that the problem will solve itself. Or to round up the illegals, put them in cattle cars, and ship them south. The second is untenable, for a variety of reasons, and will doom the GOP for a minimum of two generations. If you prefer the first, you're probably suggesting that a person could be shipped south as soon as they were legally identified. This will amount to a trickle. What is required is an intelligent plan to address the problem and the balls to suggest it in the middle of a political campaign.

There's a reason I keep asking people attacking Newt for alternatives. They are few and far between.

In which alternate universe are you posting?

Show me where I have advocated for either of those two solutions on this thread or anywhere else?

And since your characterization of my proposed solutions is so fallacious, I guess I will repost it for the umpteenth time:

1. Actually enforce existing Immigration laws (which we are not doing today)
2. Build the COMPLETE border fence, not just in "Urban areas" as Newt proposed which actually comprise 1/10 of 1 percent of the border.
3. Implement E-Verify for all employment and all acquisition of Social Services.

[moehoward]

"I like my plan where I'm married to Jennifer Connelly"

Now you've done it! I HATE that plan.

[South40]

Thank You MC!

[mylife]

So if you get a ticket for going 3mph over the speed limit we should take your license away?

Of course not, the law has degrees of violation.
Not everyone who is here illegally is an axe murderer.
Many entered legally and overstayed Visas.

You want to treat all situations the same with harsh measures.
Some of those measures are ridiculous. They place a Tax burden on US citizens and take away US citizens land.

[Borax Queen]

I have to run now, but I was thinking that we should play a game on these threads. We could come up with a saying similar to the “Godwin’s Law.”

We can invoke it when the first post appears about “cattle cars,” (or calling anyone Stalin or Hitler). That poster loses.

It’s just like you said yesterday....

[RasterMaster]

Perry is also for “path to citizenship” amnesty. Regardless of what you call it, allowing them to stay after breaking the law is amnesty. Rewarding bad behavior only encourages others to follow the same “path”.

[Mariner]

Your so-called litmus test is not enforceable and you and Newt know it.

You think there'll be a law that says a 25yr old man without criminal conviction can stay but the illegal welfare mom he lives with must be deported?

No. Absolutely not.

Everyone who has not been convicted of a felony AND got picked up again will get to stay, no matter what hoops they do or do not jump through.

As for his contention that he would seal the border, that's put hogwash. Everyone know that without a impenetrable fence from the Pacific Ocean to the Gulf of Mexico the border is not "secure".

Oh, and the fact that the illegals cannot ever vote or gain citizenship? Do you think they care, or those now planning their own nefarious invasion of the US homeland? Do you not think their children will vote?

[Grunthor]

“So if you get a ticket for going 3mph over the speed limit we should take your license away?”

If I am an illegal alien you should take my fake license away and then deport my parasitic carcass back to whatever third world hell-hole spawned me!

[Lady Lucky]

I haven’t heard Gingrich make any distinction between amnesty and legality, but a good working model might be: amnesty is waiving punishment, whether before or after due process of law (trial), and legality can mean one’s status AFTER having faced the music, paid a penalty and then normalized one’s status by registering in a temporary worker program, if eligible.

Just a thought, since everyone seems intent on conflating the two terms.

[SoConPubbie]

I hate to break it to you but the Fourteenth Amendment is a lot more than an excuse for not doing the right thing.

Anyone facing deportation is going to want a hearing, and going to get one.

Well the 14th amendment was adopted on July 9, 1868.

Just how did Eisenhower deport 2 million illegals in the 1950's?

Also, I'm not advocating Forced Deportions. My simple plan will force them to self deport.

[presently no screen name]

He needs to enforce the laws as is, build the COMPLETE fence NOW, and implement E-Verify for all employment and acquisition of social services.

You have my vote on that.

[South40]

Excellent news! Thank you BQ!

Here is another. Pay special attention to post #11.

The article highlights how the Alabama law has sent ILLEGALs packing which has resulted in a lowered unemployment rate for Alabama citizens. And naturally, the pro-ILLEGAL alien supporter deemed that bad thing.

If an individual is siding with ILLEGAL aliens over American citizens they are certainly not conservative.

[presidio9]

1. Actually enforce existing Immigration laws (which we are not doing today)

In Gingrich's plan.

2. Build the COMPLETE border fence, not just in "Urban areas" as Newt proposed which actually comprise 1/10 of 1 percent of the border.

You are obsessed with the border fence. I get it. I have to break it to you: Gingrich's plan does not actually rule one out. His plan focuses, however, on more realistic and immediate solutions. Among my favorites:

This bill will waive every obstacle to controlling the border and would shift resources to achieve virtually 100% control by January 1, 2014. If necessary, we would move one-half of the 23,000 Washington-area Department of Homeland Security bureaucrats to the Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona borders.

3. Implement E-Verify for all employment and all acquisition of Social Services.

In Gingrich's plan. Next?

[mylife]

I am speaking to the notion of misdemeanors being the same as felony’s.

They are not the same thing.

[RasterMaster]

Besides, foreigners who broke the law to get here or get shot in the process should have zero legal standing to sue in American courts.

[SoConPubbie]

You are obsessed with the border fence. I get it. I have to break it to you: Gingrich's plan does not actually rule one out. His plan focuses, however, on more realistic and immediate solutions. Among my favorites:

Apparently you are the one who has not read Gingrich's plan.

With regards to border fencing, he only wants it in "Urban areas".

[Lady Lucky]

Thanks for the helpful definition of amnesty.

For “legality,” we might think of a person having paid his debt to society. Someone sentenced to a year in prison, for example, spends his year in prison, walks out free. Legal.
Whereas if he had received amnesty, he might not have gone to prison at all, and the offense would not be on his record.