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Michael Reagan: My Father Would Support Gingrich's Position On Immigration
RealClearPolitics ^ | November 23, 2011

Posted on 11/26/2011 3:07:02 PM PST by presidio9

"ABO, 'Anybody But Obama' at this point in time," Michael Reagan said when asked who his father would be supporting in the Republican primary.

"He would support the nominee. Never got involved in the primaries, he believed the party should choose their person but he would have said this about last night's debate, which he would have thought was very good, as I thought it was very good. He would [have] supported probably Newt Gingrich's position on immigration. My father never would have broken up a family to try to make in fact a point on immigration, and so he would have applauded Newt Gingrich on that,

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1 posted on 11/26/2011 3:07:04 PM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9

Reagan said it was one of his biggest mistakes didn’t he?


2 posted on 11/26/2011 3:07:42 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: presidio9

and who said they were in favor of “breaking up families”??

The political hyperbole is amazing.

The Reagan amnesty thing was an EPIC FAILURE and we all know it. Now it will be used as a model for the future?

wow.


3 posted on 11/26/2011 3:09:54 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL

Well...


4 posted on 11/26/2011 3:10:04 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: presidio9

“My father never would have broken up a family to try to make in fact a point on immigration”

You don’t break them up you deport the whole parasitic clan back to WHATEVER HELL HOLE SPAWNED THEM!


5 posted on 11/26/2011 3:11:04 PM PST by Grunthor (pro-illegal alien "conservatives" piss me off.)
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To: presidio9
My father never would have broken up a family

No one is breaking up a family. Real families stick together and all move to their legal home - see how that works?

Families live in foreign countries and then move back home all the time.

6 posted on 11/26/2011 3:11:48 PM PST by donna (This is what happens when America is no longer a Christian nation.)
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To: presidio9

Uh-huh, sure Michael.

I cannot imagine President Reagan taking a position sayin, “You committed a felony, but since you have children we won’t do anything to you.”

When pigs fly!


7 posted on 11/26/2011 3:11:52 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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To: presidio9

As President Reagan was the only President in the last 40 years to pass Amnesty, this is not much of a surprise. I still love Reagan but don’t want Newt for President.


8 posted on 11/26/2011 3:12:25 PM PST by napscoordinator (Anybody but Romney, Newt, Perry, Huntsman, Paul. Perry and Obama are 100 percent the same!!!!!)
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To: Grunthor
Exactly. You deport all of them. We are not preventing anyone from leaving this country.
9 posted on 11/26/2011 3:13:27 PM PST by Jane Austen (Boycott the Philadelphia Eagles!)
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To: presidio9
 

Gingrich Shows 'Compassion' for Illegal Aliens He Helped Stay Rooted in U.S.


10 posted on 11/26/2011 3:15:30 PM PST by BarnacleCenturion (Heartless & Inhumane)
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To: presidio9
It's wrong no matter who would have supported it. Amnesty for illegal immigrants was one of the biggest failures of Reagan's Presidency, so how does this help Gingrich exactly? Lets take all of Reagan's failures, without any of his many successes, and put them into a candidate and you still have a crap candidate.

http://www.hermancain.com/home

11 posted on 11/26/2011 3:17:57 PM PST by ThermoNuclearWarrior (Support Herman Cain in the Republican Primary! Donate and Campaign for Herman Cain!)
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To: presidio9
Didn't we cover this crap two days ago on FR? Why post this again? BTW, Michael Reagan has spent the last 4 years as a pimp-for-hire for the same shysters who torpedoed the Minutemen (Diener Consulting, Phil Sheldon, Gary Kreep, Randy J. Goodwin et al). He has zero credibility.
12 posted on 11/26/2011 3:19:28 PM PST by montag813
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To: presidio9

I doubt seriously he would.


13 posted on 11/26/2011 3:20:23 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: GeronL

I don’t want to break up families, I want to send them and their entire family back!


14 posted on 11/26/2011 3:20:50 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (I had considered voting for Gingrich... but on second thought ... it would not be "humane")
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To: presidio9

Don’t tell me he’s channeling his father again...

Well, times are different now, Gipper. We have a MUCH HIGHER number of Illegals now, and they WILL change the demographics of this country the moment they are legalized. They MUST be stopped.


15 posted on 11/26/2011 3:21:06 PM PST by BobL (Send Rove a Message, VOTE CAIN, no matter what)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

Good points. I objected to Reagan’s support of illegals then, and I object to Newt’s position now.


16 posted on 11/26/2011 3:22:28 PM PST by Jane Austen (Boycott the Philadelphia Eagles!)
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To: mylife; presently no screen name; Gator113; GOPsterinMA; katiedidit1; MHGinTN

ping


17 posted on 11/26/2011 3:22:34 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: montag813

Yeah I don’t need grown sons to talk for their dead fathers. Be a man Mike and speak for yourself. Quit riding daddy’s coattails


18 posted on 11/26/2011 3:23:20 PM PST by over3Owithabrain
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To: TexasFreeper2009

bump to that


19 posted on 11/26/2011 3:24:48 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Grunthor

Any of you people who say it would be possible to deport all of the illegals are being dishonest with yourselves and everyone else. I can see deporting those who sign up for welfare benefits, felons, and other undesirables but trying to deport those who have assimilated into our society in all respects would not be supported by most citizens of this country. I know there are those of you who are bigots, racists, and idiots who will never be dissuaded in your stance but what you want to happen will never happen. I agree that we must close our borders and stop the flow now but there is limit to what can be done with those here now. Say what you want and call me whatever you but I am right on this.


20 posted on 11/26/2011 3:25:47 PM PST by Jukeman
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To: presidio9
Michael... Michael, unless you're actually channeling your Dad, quit misusing his name.
21 posted on 11/26/2011 3:27:12 PM PST by Moorings
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To: presidio9
Michael Reagan: My Father Would Support Gingrich's Position On Immigration

Even if he had 25 years of hingsight to guide his position???

One of Reagan's greatest attributes was learning from his mistakes. That's why he switched from being a RAT to a Republican.

22 posted on 11/26/2011 3:29:15 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Jukeman

“racist”, “bigots” etc. Man, you might as well be reading from a DNC talking points paper. I’m Hispanic and I want these people deported. Want to know how you do it? Make it mandatory for businesses to make sure they are hiring LEGAL workers. Impose penalties on businesses that hire illegals. Same thing for government programs, schools, etc. Let States like Arizona get involved with enforcing the laws and making their own rules. Enforce the laws already on the books. What happens next? Most of them will self-deport.


23 posted on 11/26/2011 3:32:22 PM PST by Apollo5600 (Cain 2012)
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To: montag813
He's just annoying these days pretending to know everything his dad would do if he was still around these days just to help him personally as if everyone of his opinions would definitely have his dad's support.

But this stupid remark is just laughable. You deport family's together, and if a family doesn't want to take their anchor baby with them it will go to the State like other abandoned children, and the low life scum parents should be deported, and stripped of their right to ever step foot in our nation again.

Then using what was probably the worst thing Reagan ever did, to defend a liberal like Gingrich. Mike isn't his dad, and it's annoying that all of Reagan's kids seem to have turned out as losers living off his name. Mike should have ran for President, and just said my dad would have supported it anytime someone disagreed with him.

http://www.hermancain.com/home

24 posted on 11/26/2011 3:35:16 PM PST by ThermoNuclearWarrior (Support Herman Cain in the Republican Primary! Donate and Campaign for Herman Cain!)
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To: Jukeman
Any of you people who say it would be possible to deport all of the illegals are being dishonest with yourselves and everyone else. I can see deporting those who sign up for welfare benefits, felons, and other undesirables but trying to deport those who have assimilated into our society in all respects would not be supported by most citizens of this country. I know there are those of you who are bigots, racists, and idiots who will never be dissuaded in your stance but what you want to happen will never happen. I agree that we must close our borders and stop the flow now but there is limit to what can be done with those here now. Say what you want and call me whatever you but I am right on this.

The "deport them all crowd" doesn't want to hear this. You are leaving out the part about most of these people doing their best to stay under the radar. What do you think will happen when the government is actively rounding them up, and legal members of their communities are doing everthing they can to help them stay hidden? I predict a "peaceful resistance" movement where legal citizens allow themselves to be persued just to tie up resources. Certainly there will be tens of millions of court cases. Any deportation plan is pure fantasy and nothing more. So the question remains: What do we do with these people. So far Gingrich's is the only honest idea on the table.

His opponents are content to smear him with buzzwords and scare tatics. The EXACT same behavior from the left has given us the current Social Security crisis.

"Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way." -George M. Steinbrenner III

25 posted on 11/26/2011 3:35:40 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9

RR was decieved and bamboozled in 1986. I doubt he’d have made the same mistake again. He signed the Simpson/Mazzoli bill thinking 300,000 would be given amnesty in exchange for a secure border and an employee screening system (the I-9 process). What he got instead was 3,000,000 amnesties, no secure border and an I-9 system that was and still is easy to get around.


26 posted on 11/26/2011 3:36:13 PM PST by umgud
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To: montag813

Different article. Same title.


27 posted on 11/26/2011 3:38:26 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: SatinDoll

What felony? Entering the US without proper documentation certainly isn’t.


28 posted on 11/26/2011 3:38:34 PM PST by stormer
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To: Jukeman
Any of you people who say it would be possible to deport all of the illegals are being dishonest with yourselves and everyone else.

So, if we can't deport them, we should give them som form of legality? BTW, I agree with you that we can't round up 10-12 million illegals, at least not reasonably or efficiently.

My answer would be to cut off the path to work and public assistance. No E-verify, no work. No E-Verify, no public assistance. It wouldn't be perfect, but it would go a long way to cause large numbers to self deport.

29 posted on 11/26/2011 3:41:33 PM PST by umgud
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To: Jukeman
There are a clot of people here, and several posting on this thread, who clearly want the GOP to commit political suicide by mass arrests, roundups and deportation of millions of illegals.

Just picture the evening news features of American police and troops cramming families including Mexican women and children into boxcars headed south of the border. They can make jokes about "the lamentations of their women," with a chuckle, as the wailing is shut off by the slamming of boxcar doors.

This is America, Anti-Newtie-style. They never say how they would do this without popular unrest and resistance. Imagine Detroit riots--Watts-- times ten--times a hundred.

Maybe they could study the Germans' methods. They had a similar program for purifying their population back in the day, I hear it was quite efficient.

30 posted on 11/26/2011 3:41:55 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Apollo5600

Reagan’s plan was changed by the in the end and emloyees were not considered. That’s why he considered it a failure.


31 posted on 11/26/2011 3:45:30 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: SatinDoll

Felony????


32 posted on 11/26/2011 3:46:05 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: hinckley buzzard

Oh boy, just ignore everything we normal conservatives say and accuse us of being Nazi Germans. Way to go! Now we know how weak y’alls arguments are.


33 posted on 11/26/2011 3:50:02 PM PST by Apollo5600 (Cain 2012)
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To: presidio9

I remember way back in the 60s I was watching one of the “Met the Press” type shows and they had on Harlon Carter, head of the border patrol.

Believe it or not, illegal immigration was a hot topic even back then. Everyone was going on the assumption that it just was not possible to stop it when Carter said essentially this:

Stopping illegal immigration is not hard at all. Just give me the resources and I will put a stop to it.” He clearly was not talking about millions of agents either. He also made it clear that the real problem was too many politicians wanted illegal immigration to continue.

Most of them are the real dirty businessmen who put illegal profits ahead of their country. To my anger and sadness, there are plenty of people here on FR who are just that, dirty businessmen who profit from the illegal invasion.

I can’t tell you how much I despise these people.


34 posted on 11/26/2011 4:11:07 PM PST by yarddog
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35 posted on 11/26/2011 4:15:22 PM PST by TitansAFC (Mr. Cain, infanticide is not a "social decision," and it SHOULD be part of the political discussion!)
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To: presidio9

Michael -

I love and respect your father, but advice on handling illegal immigrants is not something I would seek his counsel n.

You used to make far more sense. Been hanging out with Ron, Jr. lately?


36 posted on 11/26/2011 4:19:29 PM PST by bwc2221
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To: Jukeman

Yes, I would be pleased if we did in fact start with:

A.) Deporting recent comers.
B.) Deporting those with no job and no kids.
C.) Tracking down every expired Visa.

According to at least one organization reference by Heritage, these moves alone would expel just over 50% of them.

I’ll take that over chest-thumping ANY day.


37 posted on 11/26/2011 4:21:35 PM PST by TitansAFC (Mr. Cain, infanticide is not a "social decision," and it SHOULD be part of the political discussion!)
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To: stormer
What felony? Entering the US without proper documentation certainly isn’t.

First time you're caught, 6 months in prison. Second time, 2 years in prison, a felony. And, of course, that doesn't count felony identification theft, felony tax fraud, felony false statements on government documents, felony social security fraud ...

38 posted on 11/26/2011 4:22:52 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: stormer

You bet it’s a felony.


39 posted on 11/26/2011 4:24:40 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Over 60% of the U.S. voters want our immigration laws enforced. I am tired of a two tier legal system, where illegal aliens are let go when they committ crimes and can get a drivers license without showing they’re here legally.

You’re whining about enforcing our laws. Why? I never had you pegged for a bleeding heart liberal!


40 posted on 11/26/2011 4:29:00 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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To: presidio9

Maybe you were to busy complaining about your childhood to notice that this plan DID NOT WORK.

Reagan claimed it as a mistake.


41 posted on 11/26/2011 4:37:32 PM PST by marty60
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To: Jukeman
First of all, Jukeman, I take offense to your characterization of fellow freepers who want to simply deport as "bigots, racists, and idiots".. shame on you.

That said, I tend to support Newts kind of idea, always have really, I don't believe it is feasible, practically and morally, to simply round em all up and deport them. Ultimately, there is enough of the American Public that would view that with much distaste. Mass deportations are NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. It is a pipe dream. Therefore, there has to be some kind of compromise that does the best we can otherwise.

42 posted on 11/26/2011 4:51:25 PM PST by Paradox (The rich SHOULD be paying more taxes, and they WOULD, if they could make more money.)
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To: presidio9

Appreciate the ping, but with the little platoon of newbie liars and Romneyites, not to mention the circular firing squad members, discussion of the issues regarding the invasion of illegals will not proceed on this thread. I tried rasing the specter hinckleybuzzard raised using hyperbole and I still have a lying poster trying to claim I’m anti-Hispanic! You know they’re not that stupid to misunderstand, so the ploy is pure deceit, typical of stealth Romney supporters and DNC deep cover agitprops. It is looking more and more like a planned effort to divide conservatives and thus erase the momentum to remove the commie little bassturd from the White Hut and suppress conservative turnout for November 2012. Hate mongering has become an avocation, accompanied by lying boldly.


43 posted on 11/26/2011 4:59:08 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: presidio9

I wish this guy would stop trying to be the official spokesperson for his dead father.

What’s he gonna do next? Endorse some candidate on behalf of the Gipper?


44 posted on 11/26/2011 5:02:28 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: presidio9

Yea the one huge mistake that i hold to Ronald..he taught them to come and eventually we will let them stay


45 posted on 11/26/2011 5:05:54 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: GeronL

Breaking up families. They come here and we pay for the hospital where their babies are born for free,we pay for their schooling at probably 15k a year average in the nation,they get other social aid and i’m supposed to be concerned with breaking up families? Let them pay back the few hundred thousand per head they owe and i’ll worry about their families.


46 posted on 11/26/2011 5:14:38 PM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: GeronL

Yes, and Ronald Reagan wasn’t one to repeat a mistake. He learned by them, God rest his soul.


47 posted on 11/26/2011 5:16:52 PM PST by Paperdoll (on the cutting edge)
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To: hinckley buzzard
I say let them continue to live under the radar.

Cut off any federal, state, local entitlements.

Make them pay for their Emergency Room visits.

Make if a felony to hire illegals and enforce it!

Issue an Executive Order that stops all Federal Funding to support education to illegals and terminate the law requiring the States of educate illegals K-12. Build the fence, secure the border, arrest those found fleeing through the deserts in CA, TX, NM, AZ, then send them back ASAP.

I don't give a rat's a** if the fence is electrifed, has a mote with alligators or is patroled by pit bulls. Illegals murder, rape, steal and terrorize our communities. Where is their respect for American's human rights? If we just enforced the laws we have now we don't need an amnesty bill or whatever Newtie is calling his “I'll Take The Heat” and then back peddles it as “Soft Immigration”.
How can illegal immigration be soft??? It's illegal, it's costing each of us taxpayers money. It's bringing crime, drugs, unskilled workers, poverty and imposing on our rights as Americans.

If you don't want to deport illegals and feel enforcing our laws are inhumane, then set up a sanctuary city in your State, fund it through State Taxation, personal, corporate or community donations. I have experienced what illegals, whether they have been here 25 years or 5 minutes are doing to our way of life.

I believe in legal immigration. Let those that want to be American Citizens follow our laws! You would not get away with what is happening to the USA with illegals no place else in the world that has a strong, vibrant economy. Take a look at France and the UK and tell me that illegal diversity works!

48 posted on 11/26/2011 6:04:46 PM PST by not2worry
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To: hinckley buzzard; Jukeman; Jim Robinson
There are a clot of people here, and several posting on this thread, who clearly want the GOP to commit political suicide by mass arrests, roundups and deportation of millions of illegals.

One of the members of that "clot of people" is the founder and owner of this site, Jim Robinson:

"For being the “smartest” man in the race, this buffoon has no clue whatsoever. How many American workers are currently unemployed? Why do we need alien workers? Why do we want to continue subsidizing “cheap” foreign labor? Why continue burdening the taxpayers, law enforcement, courts, hospitals, schools, the welfare system, etc, with the illegal alien community?

Secure the borders.

Cut off all social benefits for illegals.

Clamp down on employers who hire illegals.

Deport illegals when caught.

Send the convicted criminals among them to prison.

The rest will leave as the freebies and opportunities dry up.

Bust up their families? Hell no! We’re not inhumane. They can take their families with them back home to Mexico. "


I think that "clot" you refer to is much larger than you think it is, I also think you are perjoratively declaring that we all want to physically deport Illegals, when if we did something much more simple, such as the following, they would simply self-deport:

1. Enforce existing laws
2. Build the COMPLETE border fence, not just in urban areas like Newt wants which represent somewhere around 1/10th of 1 percent of the border.
3. Complete enforcement of E-Verify for all employment and for all Social Services.

Without a job, and without all the freebies, they self-deport.
49 posted on 11/26/2011 6:31:36 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: hinckley buzzard; Jukeman; Jim Robinson
There are a clot of people here, and several posting on this thread, who clearly want the GOP to commit political suicide by mass arrests, roundups and deportation of millions of illegals.

One of the members of that "clot of people" is the founder and owner of this site, Jim Robinson:

"For being the “smartest” man in the race, this buffoon has no clue whatsoever. How many American workers are currently unemployed? Why do we need alien workers? Why do we want to continue subsidizing “cheap” foreign labor? Why continue burdening the taxpayers, law enforcement, courts, hospitals, schools, the welfare system, etc, with the illegal alien community?

Secure the borders.

Cut off all social benefits for illegals.

Clamp down on employers who hire illegals.

Deport illegals when caught.

Send the convicted criminals among them to prison.

The rest will leave as the freebies and opportunities dry up.

Bust up their families? Hell no! We’re not inhumane. They can take their families with them back home to Mexico. "


I think that "clot" you refer to is much larger than you think it is, I also think you are perjoratively declaring that we all want to physically deport Illegals, when if we did something much more simple, such as the following, they would simply self-deport:

1. Enforce existing laws
2. Build the COMPLETE border fence, not just in urban areas like Newt wants which represent somewhere around 1/10th of 1 percent of the border.
3. Complete enforcement of E-Verify for all employment and for all Social Services.

Without a job, and without all the freebies, they self-deport.
50 posted on 11/26/2011 6:32:06 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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