Posted on 11/28/2011 5:48:35 AM PST by heiss
What bugs me most about Gingrich’s amnesty thing is the depressingly familiar dishonesty. As Katrina reports, he says:
"I am not for amnesty for anyone. I am not for a path to citizenship for anybody who got here illegally. But I am for a path to legality for those people whose ties are so deeply into America that it would truly be tragic to try and rip their family apart." [emphasis added]
Put aside the problems with amnesty — implementation riddled with fraud, a magnet to future illegal immigration, insincere promises of future enforcement, playing legal immigrants for chumps, etc. What’s really grating is the Orwellian attempt to redefine words, telling people words don’t mean what they think they mean. “Path to legality” joins “regularization,” “normalization,” “earned-status adjustment,” and all the other sleazy euphemisms we’ve been hearing for years now.
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“Path to legality” is like another euphemism for amnesty mouthed by the open borders crowd: “bring them out of the shadows.”
Neut wants amnesty. He denies it’s amnesty by saying he is not supporting citizenship for illegal invaders, just legal status and permanent residence here.
That’s amnesty, if defacto rather than de jure amnesty. And, of course, it will be only step one; step two will be full citizenship so they can swell the numbers of the Dimocrat ranks.
If Neut was really in favor of border enforcement and sending recent arrivals back, what can he show us he did in this regard while he was Speaker of the House?
In this case though he's only fooling some conservatives apparently because Independents and the majority of women would never go for him so we would end up with four more years of Obama.
“The do not acculturate themselves.”
I have been speaking of those families who have been here for 25 years or more...and they HAVE assimilated. Most of the children and grandchildren of these families are VERY American and no longer speak the language of their elders.
I also understand that for ANY policy to work, the border MUST be sealed...and that should be done first!
I wonder what the difference between “legality” and “amnesty” is?
“If they stay to work, they must sign away any chance they ever would have to become a US citizen... no voting rights, ever.”
Would that be according to our Constitution?
Are you speaking about only those families who have been here 25 years or more?
Newt on immigration
http://www.newt.org/solutions/immigration
Newt’s solution
(My comments)
1. Control the border
…Round-the-clock drone flights to monitor activity, multi-layer, strategic fencing in urban areas, and vastly improved communication between state and federal authorities.
(So they can ground the drones whenever they want to)
2. Create a 21st Century Visa Program
…A biometric, tamper-proof card.
(let everyone in)
3. “In-source” the best brains in the world
…Allow easier transition from an F (student) visa to an H1-B (high-skill) visa.
…Allow qualified foreign students to transition immediately into the American workforce.
(Make it easier for foreign students to compete against Americans for jobs and keep wages down)
4. Allow foreigners, who want to spend money, invest and create jobs in America to do so.
(What he is saying here is to do away with the $1 million minimum investment required for an EB-5 program that allows foreigners to move here. Open business based on the foreigner’s skill to raise American capital, as long as he employees people for 10 years)
Also
…More consular staff and a video interview program… … to create more tourism jobs.
(Newt points out that we loose millions of tourist a year do to illegal immigration)
(Make it easier for the rich to retire in America)
5. There has to be a legal quest worker program, but its management must be outsourced to a sophisticated manager of anti-fraud systems, such as American Express, Visa, or Mastercard.
(Replace E-Verify for guest workers and pay corporations for providing biometric cards)
6. Create a path to earned legality for some of the millions of people who are here outside the law.
(Oh, there are only 8 to 12 million illegal aliens)
…”A citizens’ review” “in individual communities” to “determine who will continue on this path to legality, and who will be sent home.”
(to insure that communities remain segregated)
…”those here outside the law will be granted Temporary Legal Status”
(All of them)
…”must be able to prove that they can independently pay for private health insurance”
…”proficiency in English within a certain number of years”
(Is he talking about those that have already been here 25 years? My neighbor wouldn’t qualify)
…”pay a penalty of at least $5,000”
(Each of their kids cost the taxpayer approximately $130,000 for kindergarten thru 12th grade)
…”prove on a regular basis that they can support themselves”
7. Deportation of criminals and gang members should be efficient and fast.
(Nothing about sanctuary cities)
8. Ensure that every new citizen and every young American learn American history and the key principles of American Exceptionalism.
9. English must be the official language of government.
10. Young non-citizens who came to the United States outside the law should have the same right to join the military and earn citizenship.
…there will not be an option to petition for legal status and citizenship for their parents…
“MY question still remains about HOW to deal with those families who have been here for 25 years or more with children and grandchildren who are all Americans”
So your solution is to give mass-amnesty every 20 or 10 years?
Besides, what about those millions of people who still have family members out of country because they are (stupidly) waiting for legal opportunity to immigrate?
The only honest (and also, winning) approach for GOP nominee is this:
- absolutely no amnesty, legalization or whatever is the latest name for it
- build a fence (”shovel-ready jobs”). This protects us against illegals, drug-dealers, terrorists, and human trafficking. Let’s start with 200 miles/year.
- enforce current laws
- mandate e-verify
- support states in their enforcement laws
- get tough on foreign countries who support illegal entries: If Mexico enables and supports illegal entries, then no visas or trucks allowed anymore for Mexico.
Perry and Newt are the two totally unacceptable nominees. They should run for President of Mexico instead.
“MY question still remains about HOW to deal with those families who have been here for 25 years or more with children and grandchildren who are all Americans”
So your solution is to give mass-amnesty every 20 or 10 years?
Besides, what about those millions of people who still have family members out of country because they are (stupidly) waiting for legal opportunity to immigrate?
The only honest (and also, winning) approach for GOP nominee is this:
- absolutely no amnesty, legalization or whatever is the latest name for it
- build a fence (”shovel-ready jobs”). This protects us against illegals, drug-dealers, terrorists, and human trafficking. Let’s start with 200 miles/year.
- enforce current laws
- mandate e-verify
- support states in their enforcement laws
- get tough on foreign countries who support illegal entries: If Mexico enables and supports illegal entries, then no visas or trucks allowed anymore for Mexico.
Perry and Newt are the two totally unacceptable nominees. They should run for President of Mexico instead.
There are several considerations that need to be looked at rationally.
(Add to that, it is *always* a bad idea to try and treat a large group of people under a blanket rule, because that is a recipe for stupid cruelty. Having and using more solutions than just one does much to alleviate this, even if it forces people to *think* some, and not just *feel*.)
First and foremost, the general situation about immigration is that we have already won, in the long term. Why? Because Mexican reproduction rates have dropped from strong growth to just sustainability. About 2.3 children per family. This means that Mexican wages have to go up, which strongly undermines emigration.
Second, rationally, we need to subdivide illegal aliens into two groups: economic migrants and serious criminals.
Obviously, the priority is to get the serious criminals first. But there are so many that deporting them creates a problem for *Mexico*, because when they cross the border, they are recruited by the drug gangs.
There might be a relatively easy and cheap solution for this, however, not yet considered. What if, by treaty, the US built a very large, maximum security prison, in Mexico, just south of the border?
Think of it as a “duty free prison”. With both American and Mexican guards, yet prisoners would serve their full time, no parole or probation, with no right of appeal to courts on either side.
Simply put, if US prisoners are Mexican nationals, they serve all their time in a legal enclave in Mexico, and when eventually released, they are released in Mexico.
As far as the “economic migrant” illegals already here, they need to be again subdivided into those that are going to school, integrating, working and willing to work; and the “welfare babies”, who stay in Mexican ghettos, make no effort to integrate, and live exclusively on the public dole.
Again obviously, the emphasis needs to be on deporting the slackers. Not surprisingly, it is fairly easy to tell them apart. And once the slackers are kicked out, or at least cut off from their support, the rest of illegal aliens could likely be naturalized. But the rules would have to be changed so that they could do so without leaving the US.
The secret here is that the US does want a certain number of immigrants, and educated, working Mexicans are a lot better choice than many of the other peoples the US has been inviting.
They should be dropped off down by the Guatemala border.
But amnesty means a pardon granted to a large number of people. And all these schemes Newt and others have proposed forgive the lawbreakers, and waive the penalties prescribed by law for illegal entrants and visa overstayers.
Any scheme that doesn't require that the laws be enforced for these particular lawbreakers is amnesty. And the law prescribes that these lawbreakers be deported.
As Eisenhower's men found in 1954, once the crack down starts, the illegals will mostly deport themselves. Just look at what happened in Arizona and Alabama when they toughened their laws---entire illegal alien communities simply packed up and left after dark.
This is not rocket science.
Well, you can lap up Newt's doublespeak all you want. Just don't try to sell us who believe in plain language that it's anything but.
Then, pass legislation and make it legal to invade the USA.
Otherwise, deport them.
Thanks!
Well, now, let me see. You know, I don't have any idea what that means ... I know what you think it means, sonny. To me, it's just a made-up word. A politician's word, sonny.
Legality is just that - a politician's word.
“So your solution is to give mass-amnesty every 20 or 10 years?”
WHERE in the world did you get THAT idea?
I also believe that I have made it clear that the border MUST be sealed immediately for any policy to be enforced.
I have 3 possible candidates still on my list:
Cain
Gingrich
Perry
(alphabetical order)
;-)
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