Posted on 11/29/2011 7:32:32 PM PST by Hojczyk
Usually I agree w your posts. But not this time. Why would America think Japan would nibble at our edges and the US not act? War had been going on at a major level since 37. We knew Japan was going to attack us but not where. There’s only so many places an enemy can really hurt you if you think it through. PH was the obvious choice. Japan got suckered into thinking they could get one or two or more of our carriers. It’s the only reason they would’ve attempted the attack. They got played big time.
this is bs. i agree. there were problems and egos in the intel community in dc vs the other sites. a major paradigm in intel is to look at intentions more than capabilities. given how much damage we did to the second wave just think if they would have heedded the sub sightings and been on full alert when the first wave hit.
“Craig Shirley, author of the just released December 1941, doesnt blame FDR for blowing it”
He didn’t blow it - he knew exactly what he was doing and he let it happen, to push us into war.
“Possessing nonspecific intelligence always looks bad when viewed in the rear view mirror. We should have guessed, becomes the refrain. But there is really no way to have known and you’ll go crazy trying to cover everything. “
Yea. I’ve always joked about the way they went after Bush on 9-11. They had a quote from Bin Laten that went something like this: “We will hit you when you least expect it, where you least expect it, in a way you’ll never expect”.
From that, the media calls Bush-43 an IDIOT for not connecting the dots and seeing that the message above meant that 20 people were going to hijack jetliners and fly them into buildings.
Yep, hindsight is always easy.
Ask Joe Biden.
He saw the whole thing on TV.
wouldn’t surprise me at all, given the Lusitania, which was eventually found to be carrying armaments, just like the germans said.
This is old news but is classic political corruption.
I remember reading about a sloop sent by the Navy in and around the Phillipines archipelago in 1941. The Japanese didn’t attack it and instead hit Pearl.
I suspect the Japanese High Command liked to think BIG!
“A sloop! Why bother; we’ll pick it up later.” The captain of that little sloop was in a dicey situation but pulled out OK. Later he said he suspected they were ordered there to be bait.
I think the sacrifice of a few guys on a small boat was what Roosevelt had in mind to ignite a war, not the nearly total destruction of a major naval installation.
Seriously? I’m going to start a war against America and the gain is going to be a sunk sloop?
Moosake!
In those days the ability to target an individual moving and maneuvering ship at full battle stations was far less that that required to hit a tight cluster of stationary, liberty staffed targets.
BTW, please remind us: what battles in the Pacific War were won by battleships?
Billy Mitchell said (in l925) that “one fine Sunday morning at 7:30 a.m.” Japanese planes would attack Pearl Harbor. Although the attack began at 7:55 a.m., the first Japanese planes actually arrived at 7:30 but waited for the rest before beginning the attack.
Mitchell also predicted the attack on Clark Field in the Phillipines, saying the Japanese would attack at 10:30 a.m. The Japanese actually did plan to attack at 10:30 but were delayed two hours by weather.
I’ll see if I can hunt up that source for you. When I read it I thought, “What a bunch of incompetents running the War Department!” But then I remembered that England in 1940 still had men along the coastlines with lights meant to signal when Napoleon was invading! A bureacracy is never efficient.
I’ll see if I can find it.
The sloop is meaningless. We did not go to war with Japan after they sank USS Panay in 1937 or with Germany after sinking USS Ruben James about a month before Pearl Harbor. We are not going to war over a sloop.
Besides it was out of our hands. The attacks on Malaya, the Dutch East Indies, the Phillipines, Guam, and Wake were all under way at pretty much the same time. War was coming regardless of the Pearl Harbor operation.
Except the pacific fleet was in Hawaii and that was all that stood in the way of the japs and their domination of the Pacific.He knew.
The Battle of Surigao Strait [part of the overall Battle of Leyte Gulf] ...
I think enigma was captured of the U-boat after Pearl harbor
Sister. Stop. You win.
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